Hollywood rethinking A-List actors?

i think Kidmans last movies were all bombs.

their paychecks are way to big. now someone will say but their name brings people in the theater. the question is how much.
 
I've been saying this. Stars are not as big box-office magnets as people think. The biggest stars in the world make flops all the time it seems. Even when the movies are one of the best of the decade(The Assassination of Jesse James).
 
This fall, Forbes magazine published an article that listed the most bankable actresses in Hollywood today. None of the big names - like Jolie and Aniston - were on it. I confess, I haven't watched most of Jolie's films despite the praise they got. Wanted could have done just as well without her. I never watched an Aniston film in the theater. She's never been good since Leprechaun.
 
Looks like the hype is over. Even movie premieres were losing their glitter.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i15e6314384dccfe33a4c67714d06fc7b

Still think our superhero films need name recognition?

It depends on what kind of superhero movies you're talking about. Movies like say Batman or Superman don't need high profile actors . Is it a plus when you have a cast that includes Michael Cane , Morgan Freeman etc ?
Yes.
But you could basically cast unknown but nevertheless talented actors and the movie would still become a hit due to the name recognition.
It's a different thing with unknown properties because in that case you do need an actor to sell the material. Does anyone honestly think that Men In Black would've been that big without Will Smith ?
The problem that you get when casting a famous actor for unknown AND known properties is that the actor can be completely wrong for the part.
Perfect example is Nicholas Cage in Ghost Rider.

However let's no forget that if something is executed right , you can basically have a big audience even with no name stars. That's what the studios should IMO focus on and not the fact that famous stars aren't pulling in the numbers.
300 succeeded because of the male-testorone driven visuals.
District 9 was a success part due to a well created viral campaign and offering a original take on the alien storyline.
And The Hangover worked because of the excellent chemistry of the cast.
IMO any of those movies would've still been a success if they cast famous actors. The only thing they needed to do was to "control" that particular actor.

And if a movie sucks , it doesn't mattyer who's playing in it ..that movie will still bomb. Even if they cast another actor in Surrogates , i doubt that movie would've been any better.


Personally i agree with what the studio is now offering
Instead of upfront deals , why not settle for less and once the movie becomes a hit , you'd get a bigger percentage of the gross.
IMO it's a valid complaint when people are saying that movies are becoming too expensive. While stuff like VFX can't be controlled , salaries can. However some actors simply refuse to lower their salaries ( Denzel Washington..) and instead the budgt increases dramatically.
Unknown actors definately mean that the studios have to pay less meaning that they can take more risks ( District 9 & Hangover being R rated). And while this doesn't apply to all studios ( like Fox) , having unknowns/cheap ators in high profile movies means that you can basically deliver a good movie instead of releasing the most commercial version of a movie.
Marvel and PIXAR are excellent examples of this.



And yes i agree with dark_b
Nicole Kidman really isn't worth her 15 million paycheck.
As is Julia Roberts.
 
Will Smith is maybe the only actor who can bring so much people in the theater that it matters at the BO.
Tom Cruise maybe some years ago?
 
Will Smith is maybe the only actor who can bring so much people in the theater that it matters at the BO.
Tom Cruise maybe some years ago?


If it weren't for the Oprah incident , cruise would've still been on top of his game. The fact that he also kept a relative low profile hasn't exactly helped however i think that his next movie will probabaly be a (big) hit . The unknown Wichita movie .

Also Will Smith isn't all powerful. When it comes the commercial flicks , he can make even the mediocre movies into hits. When it comes movies where he's truly required to act , it's so so . Ali wasn't as big as people hoped to . Pursuit OF Happyness was a hit but Seven Pounds wasn't.


Also off topic.
The HR article also says that New Moon cost around 50 million. The leads were paid for like a couple of mill for the first movie right ? And for New Moon they got 12 million each. So if the first movie with 37 million had crappy VFX and New Moon cost 50 million , that means New Moon must also have crappy VFX right :doh:
Blegh
Either that or summit is outright lying and the movie actually cost alot more (80 plus million)
 
the main actors are going to get 12 millions?

woowowow whait a minute. i understand that your paycheck gets bigger after twilight. but how do they deserve 12 millions?
 
the main actors are going to get 12 millions?

woowowow whait a minute. i understand that your paycheck gets bigger after twilight. but how do they deserve 12 millions?

Because the movie performed beyond expectation and made 190 or so million in the US. Mind you this is for their work in Twlight. I dunno how much they're getting for non-twilight work but i bet it's not that much. You seriously think Daniel Radcliffe gets 20 million for non-potter projects.
 
i understand that this is only for the twilight franchise. but still. 12 millions?

whats next? Megan Fox getting millions because TF makes money? he he he he

nooooooooooooooooooooo
 
Names like Jim Carrey and Will Smith only hit it when they work within what the audience expects of them....comedy and big action. When they stray into drama, that's when the revenue dwindles. But you could create a movie based on Hungry Hungry Hippos and have a bunch of B-listers, because people would be going to see....the hippos.....:dry: You think 2012 is going to hit big because people have been dying to see John Cusack, Danny Glover and Woody Harrelson in a movie together?
 
I think you could have lesser known actors and still have a successful movie if the character/concept is big or well known

Superhero movies for example could have lesser stars ex. Christian Bale or Brandon Routh but since the two characters were well known the films still made money

But having a HUGE lead doesnt hurt besides the fact that you probaly have to pay more for them. Ex. Ryan Reynolds as GL was a star that big needed. I dont think so. But does it hurt. Not really
 
The Twillight guy and Megan Fox are going to make flops as soon as they step out of their franchises.


btw, superhero films dont need famous people. I dont think anybody is saying that, I also dont understand what it being a superhero movie would have to do with anything.
 
The Twillight guy and Megan Fox are going to make flops as soon as they step out of their franchises.


btw, superhero films dont need famous people. I dont think anybody is saying that, I also dont understand what it being a superhero movie would have to do with anything.
you mean like Jennifer's Body? :hehe:

i still need to watch this movie.
 
i thought movies like 300 shut up people who say you need stars you just need a good story
 
Good, tired of over the hills stars making overrated movies that look non interesting.
 
If it weren't for the Oprah incident , cruise would've still been on top of his game. The fact that he also kept a relative low profile hasn't exactly helped however i think that his next movie will probabaly be a (big) hit . The unknown Wichita movie .

Also Will Smith isn't all powerful. When it comes the commercial flicks , he can make even the mediocre movies into hits. When it comes movies where he's truly required to act , it's so so . Ali wasn't as big as people hoped to . Pursuit OF Happyness was a hit but Seven Pounds wasn't.


Also off topic.
The HR article also says that New Moon cost around 50 million. The leads were paid for like a couple of mill for the first movie right ? And for New Moon they got 12 million each. So if the first movie with 37 million had crappy VFX and New Moon cost 50 million , that means New Moon must also have crappy VFX right :doh:
Blegh
Either that or summit is outright lying and the movie actually cost alot more (80 plus million)

What happened their?
 
The bigger TV gets, the more people are starting to realise that the whole concept of 'stars' is becoming increasingly irrelevant (not to mention anachronistic) and that real talent from proper actors is what people actually respond to...
 
The bigger TV gets, the more people are starting to realise that the whole concept of 'stars' is becoming increasingly irrelevant (not to mention anachronistic) and that real talent from proper actors is what people actually respond to...

I thought TV shows this decade at times were better then movies in thearters....And maybe it will get to be like in the golden age of hollywood when they have real talented actors like you said with good movies.
 
i agree with the whole A-list actors getting paid too much... which really gets in the way of a movie getting made or not (x-men) or the budget gets cut down for more important things.


however that article is ******ed for praising the Twilight saga...
sure they saved money by hiring cheap actors, making cheap sets, cheap vfx etc... and sure they made money in the end... but the movie is still (considered by most) terrible.

now had they got cheap actors, and with the money saved put it on a better writer vfx and crew it might've made even more money. Cause now everyone who didnt like the first..wont be returning to see the next million films they dish out with just as cheap a budget.
 
TV used to be viewed as slumming it. Nowadays you got A-listers and classic thespians taking tv show roles all the time.
 
I think famous actors should stay away from comic book films.....unknowns or underrated actors should perform in them.
 

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