Transformers Holy ****!!!i got an e-mail from Don Murphy

[MagicPrime]

Maybe he's Don Murphy in disguise! Ba-ba-bummmm!

 

[CGHulk]

Don Murphy fights with the owner of the site of Siebertron.com. Who ever is right or wrong in this fight, it's still bad plublicity when the producer fights with the fanbase.

Here's what Don Murphy said on his site.
http://www.d13satellite.com/donmurphy/showthread.php?threadid=13877&perpage=25&pagenumber=1
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[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]So I went over to the message board a few days ago where that mainiac guy posted his Transformers 101 **** to try to interact with fans.

This Galvatron guy asks for an interview- says he is a news guy.

I say okay.

I even agree to do it by phone- I OFFER to- even though he just wanted to do it via email.

I go back after the confusion with registering. As some of you noted, they allowed these five guys from Aintit**** to register just to abuse me.

Anyway throughout today I answer questions from serious people and mock *****es.

Tonight the owner Ryan starts to pretend that I agreed to be interviewed by him.

But it gets better. Because even though I didn't, I email him and agree that sure, we can do so.

Then, this godawful wimp, posts this ***** **** like he is some sort of tough guy.

AND BANS ME FROM THE SITE.

That's right boys and girls.

Bans me from the site.

So that is who you are dealing with. Never mind the scammed lunchboxes or whatever we were told.

Stand up to this wimpy, tinpot moderator and that is what you get.

Please, one of you, contact one of the other fansites- I will do the same interview with one of them.

Laugh at the little site owner boys and girls.

LOL


Please stop stirring up the bee's nest, Don. I don't have time to police my forums any more tonight and the staff has better things to do on this site than to police you all night because you don't know when to stop.

You want to do an interview? Great. Let's do an interview - mano e mano. Don Murphy and Ryan Yzquierdo. I want to conduct a real interview instead of one of these kiss ass interviews where the various movie sites like Aintitcoolnews.com, movieblog.com, or latinoreview.com have their lips puckered up to your ass.

I'll be polite. I'll be cordial. I'll be professional. I will ask the tough questions without the crap. Questions that I think the fans will want to have asked and that should be addressed. Questions to which you guys have been avoiding answering either because you don't truly understand what we're asking or you'd rather just give us answers like "because it's a live action movie" which is a cop-out answer.

Is that fair? Are you up to that Don? Or would you prefer to sticking to doing interviews where everything is nice and cozy and everyone's tip toeing around you and kissing your ass?

I replied
You know what- I don't take kindly to you or your comments.
You keep spinning it anyway you want. It's kinda like the answer "I refunded everyone I scammed 5 years ago."
Sorry, I opt out. You are a *****e.

His answer

Stay off my site you jerk
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Don Murphy has already gone on for 3 pages on his site fighting with fans and Ryan Yzquierdo. If I was Dreamworks I'd fire this guy, due to bad PR!

 

[nosebleed.]

Please stop stirring up the bee's nest, Don. I don't have time to police my forums any more tonight and the staff has better things to do on this site than to police you all night because you don't know when to stop.

You want to do an interview? Great. Let's do an interview - mano e mano. Don Murphy and Ryan Yzquierdo. I want to conduct a real interview instead of one of these kiss ass interviews where the various movie sites like Aintitcoolnews.com, movieblog.com, or latinoreview.com have their lips puckered up to your ass.

I'll be polite. I'll be cordial. I'll be professional. I will ask the tough questions without the crap. Questions that I think the fans will want to have asked and that should be addressed. Questions to which you guys have been avoiding answering either because you don't truly understand what we're asking or you'd rather just give us answers like "because it's a live action movie" which is a cop-out answer.

Is that fair? Are you up to that Don? Or would you prefer to sticking to doing interviews where everything is nice and cozy and everyone's tip toeing around you and kissing your ass?

THAT was a perfectly reasonable request that Don Murphy pretty much sh** on. Really professional.

 

[Avangarde]

Why does this guy even exist? It's like he is playing "F*****f as many people as humanly possible". Is there any interviews with Bay concerning DM and his roll in all this, and if he is aware of what he is saying on the boards? Now I'm not in the movie business, I'm a chef, and we are taught "the customer is always right". This saying means no matter if the customer is wrong or right you rely on providing an excellent service to get the customers money (or in this case movie goer). It's called "Good Business", a concept that Murphy seems to be oblivious to. That said, most business' fire an employee that isn't doing right by the business.

 

[CGHulk]

Why does this guy even exist? It's like he is playing "F*****f as many people as humanly possible". Is there any interviews with Bay concerning DM and his roll in all this, and if he is aware of what he is saying on the boards? Now I'm not in the movie business, I'm a chef, and we are taught "the customer is always right". This saying means no matter if the customer is wrong or right you rely on providing an excellent service to get the customers money (or in this case movie goer). It's called "Good Business", a concept that Murphy seems to be oblivious to. That said, most business' fire an employee that isn't doing right by the business.

You took the words right out of mouth! you don't fight with the customer, if you do you'll lose business!!

 

[CFlash]

THAT was a perfectly reasonable request that Don Murphy pretty much sh** on. Really professional.

Dude. Don't even get me started. I was on dm.net for 4 days before OUT OF THE BLUE, he takes takes over my account, posts insane comments (yes, it was him... it was obvious) under my account and then bans me for s**** he did under my account. I knew it was either him or another "admin" because of the password battle that ensued (I'd change my password, and he'd change it... I'd go in and have it mailed to registered e-mail address, change it, only to have it changed again).

The guy is a lunatic.

I wouldn't believe ONE WORD that comes out of his mouth. No, I'm serious. The guys has issues. According to one of the reviewers at aintitcool (who I was in a short e-mail correspondence with).... it's a "known thing." No surprise.

And, dm.net is a joke. I wholeheartedly believe that.

 

[xwolverine2]

both those guys are *******s

 

[Mister Sinister]

Well over at my Seibertron account i had on my sig written

"Don Murphy: my nominee for A-hole of the year"

Now i don't know if i got an email from the real deal, but this is what he e-mailed me:

What do I win? Can I get a statue? Anything from "your room" downstairs? Anything at all? What kind of prize is this?

Well he justified his nomination. If criticism bothers him so much, he shouldn't have signed on to do LXG

 

[MagicPrime]

Dude. Don't even get me started. I was on dm.net for 4 days before OUT OF THE BLUE, he takes takes over my account, posts insane comments (yes, it was him... it was obvious) under my account and then bans me for s**** he did under my account. I knew it was either him or another "admin" because of the password battle that ensued (I'd change my password, and he'd change it... I'd go in and have it mailed to registered e-mail address, change it, only to have it changed again).

The guy is a lunatic.

I wouldn't believe ONE WORD that comes out of his mouth. No, I'm serious. The guys has issues. According to one of the reviewers at aintitcool (who I was in a short e-mail correspondence with).... it's a "known thing." No surprise.

And, dm.net is a joke. I wholeheartedly believe that.

Its things like that, that make me love the Hype. I actually feel kind of safe here... haha. BTW - has Murphy ever posted on the SSH boards?

 

[xwolverine2]

BTW - has Murphy ever posted on the SSH boards?

he wouldnt dare

 

[MagicPrime]

I was hoping that would be the answer...

 

[Headless Knight]

Well, he may be here... in disguise.

 

[xwolverine2]

Well, he may be here... in disguise.

i havent seen any noobs lately

 

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The Hype's Transformer boards are pretty much quiet because its newer than the other forums, and is not one of the major places of info. Most of the hardcore TFormers heads are on the older forums like TF2005, siebertron and all the stooges are on donmurphy.net. Bay's site, shootfortheedit.com is also a source of info sometimes only because of Bay's updates...but other than that the site mod is an idiot who kisses Bay's arse on the regular.

It is safe here, safe to voice your opinion pretty much with not too many trolls. There are a few and I'm sure there are some here that would lump me in with them but I don't feel I belong in the troll category.

 

[The Guard]

But, here's where I think they jumped the shark (below). It's not that any of these *individually* are that big of a deal. It's that taken as a *whole* they add up to a very very needlessly unfaithful and very "Hollywood Fluff" Transformers movie.
Feel free to take them apart *individually*... but realize that it's the WHOLE PICTURE that isn't looking too good.

"Hollywood fluff". Could you be more specific? In all seriousness, I don't think I've seen a major motion picture that didn't have some kind of "Hollywood fluff" in it, but to call this entire project fluff seems to me a mistake. The sad thing is, a lot of that fluff shows up because that's what people want to see in their movies. People like to be pandered to when they go to the theatre. To me, Hollywood "fluff" simply means "A movie full of familiar things". I'm curious as to why you see this shaping up as fluff. And why that would even matter. I love Transformers, but it's not usually insanely deep stuff.

And, yes, I'm all about iconography.

1) Bumblebee is not a muscle car. Anything but a muscle car. Does it make much difference in the grand scheme of things? No. But *symbolically* this was important to me (because of the message it sends about fuel efficiency, etc). Does that mean that even as a Camaro Bumblebee isn't the most energy-efficient of the Autobots?... of course not. But, I'm talking *symbolism* here.

This one I understand. But I don't think it will effect the presentation of Bumblee as a character. Not in the context they've conceived him in.

2) Bumblebee is not bigger than Jazz. Bumblebee is traditionally the smallest weakest Autobot. Is this also a huge deal? No. But it's a needless change.

Fair enough. But what wouldn't be a needless change? I don't know many changes to source material that aren't "needless".

3) You make some great points concerning Energon. However, Energon is not the same as "life." I eat hamburgers... but a hamburger can't create a human being. Energon is food... the Allspark (as it has NOW been appropriately renamed) bestows actual *sentience.*

According to the sources I've been researching, Energon might as well be life to Transformers, as they seem to require it to survive or grow in any way. My original point was...this substance that the Transformers depend on...is in the film. That's an important part of the mythology, yes?

I understand about not "blowing the premise load" (very well put!) too early in the franchise... best to maybe save something for sequels. And I HOPE you're optimism is right. But, I'd like to see at least *some* reference to the Transformers using Earth's natural resources to create Energon. Bay doesn't have to get all preachy (and he won't considering I think he's a Right-Winger), but some reference would be nice.

I doubt we'll see that, because being able to create an energy source doesn't seem to be part of the story. Competition over an existing resource "Allspark"/The Cube is the theme in the first film. Competition over raw materials will likely be a theme of the second.

4) I miss the original story (The Ark, 4 millions years going by, The Volcano). Why? IMHO it was a great "sci-fi" premise. What's so wrong with it? However, the new premise sounds interesting too. I'm just worried Bay has "dumbed this down" for no reason.

There's nothing wrong with it. It's just not particularly neccessary to this particular story. What's so dumbed down about this concept of Transformers? Streamlined, yes, for obvious reasons. Dumbed down? Not anymore than any past versions have been. And there are legitimate filmmaking reasons for all the omissions. Screentime and budget could be a big reason some of the changes to the Transformers origin have been made. Showing those particular kinds of scenes takes time. Money. This is already a fairly long movie, and I'm sure the budget is about as massive as it can get.

5) Megatron needs the arm cannon. That's almost non-negotiable.

I'm sure he's going to have it. We've seen the designs for it, have we not? And it is in the script.

Are there other problems with the movie based on what we know? Yes. Many xw2 (the most ardent supporter of this movie I have seen) has already expressed them (Tyrese, over-reliance on the human love story, etc). There are LOTS of things that *sound* wrong with this movie. And they all add up. Robots fighting each other can't be the only thing that makes this movie "good."

What "overreliance on the human love story"? There are only maybe three or four quick moments in the script that speak to the "love story". The reliance of the script seems to be on the human POV of the Transformers arrival and actions, and the events surrounding their arrival, but not neccessarily the love story. Too much is being made of the love angle in this story.

My last gripe is that, yes, I don't expect any thought-provoking intelligent stuff from Michael Bay. I just can't comprehend how a silly 1980's cartoon and comic book were deeper in so many "sci-fi" levels than a big-budget movie being made in 2006.

Making a subtle nod to our own fossil fuels reserves and sort-of-but-not-really-actually-saying-something about technology by featuring a lot of it in your mythos is not exactly "deep". It's symbolic. I don't ever think the cartoon show was all that deep. Just symbolic in nature. Like I said, the film version of TRANSFORMERS has delved into the metaphor behind the concept, and that makes for a movie that, while not real deep, is also anything but shallow and mindless.

If I can recall, you said that I assumed that this movie is not being faithful at all to the Transformers mythology even though I haven't read the script, that because I haven't read the script that its my fault.
First, I never said this whole movie is unfaithful to the Transformers mythology.

As I recall, you stated/implied that the movie would be unfaithful and not a serious enough approach to the material.

I don't have enough knowledge of the story or characterization to know that...but a couple of the designs sure stray far enough from any incarnation for me to call them out on it.

Right. The designs. Not the actual story or tone of the material.

And as far as me being at fault for not reading the script...I don't consider me wanting to remain spoiler free from the story a "fault".

That is not what I meant by "fault". I was simply saying "If you haven't read the script, how can you make a call on how faithful they're being to the mythology or how serious they're taking it"?

The design of Optimus Prime is a prime example...pun intended. He still maintains resemblence to previous incarnations of Prime while still looking fresh and modern for live action...not too hard no?

You and your puns. Let's be honest for a second. The only reason someone would ever go "Hey, that's Optimus Prime" if they saw the picture of him is his head design, the red and blue motif of him, and maybe, maybe, maybe the leg design. If he had a different head design, he wouldn't be all that recognizable as Prime. Optimus, like any other Transformer in this movie, has mostly just ELEMENTS of his comic and TV show design that are recognizable, but he too has been reworked pretty drastically for the film, in terms of his body structure, how much he resembles his automobile form in robot form, etc.

In fact, there is a picture comparison of G1 Prime with Bay Prime, they look like cousins. If you put a pic comparison of the two Megatrons (hell, ANY Megatron compared to Bay Megatron) and they looking nothing alike. I'll get to your similarities later.

I'll wait for you to get to the similarities before I comment. Suffice it to say that I feel that Megatron, as he exists in the comics and TV show, is kind of bland, generic-looking, and not very visually stimulating beyond the basic elements of his design. I can see why the movie team felt the need to spice him up a bit. The blocky, clunky Megatron (And this is really about all his design has going for it, that he's a big un') simply would not look right in the midst of their sleek, reconceived Transformers. Even Optimus Prime looks sleeker.

Of course...that's the nature of the fanboy beast. Hell, my few issues with this movie are not going to prevent me from paying my hard earned money for a ticket...but if I'm not happy with something then there's no harm in voicing my concerns a little. Call it venting.

I wasn't technically referring to you. There are more vocal and more anal fanboys lurking.

There are adaptations that have remained more faithful to the source material and still have succeeded in the box office.

True, but something to consider is that Transformers also is serial in nature. There have been many different versions/approaches to it over the years. Yes, some other film adaptions remain fairly faithful, but name me a few film adaptions of something like Transformers, which draws from YEARS of serial material and multiple versions, that has not undergone several major changes in adapting it to film. Specifically a comic book or science fiction adaption.

They have become lucrative movie franchises that can succeed totally separate of the original material they originated from. Were they 100% replicas of the source material? No. But that's not what I'm asking for.

I'm not excusing changing the mythos drastically, just explaining why it happened. You asked what reason there is for deviating from the source material, and I answered your question. Sure there are movies that have been more faithful to their source material. However, those movies are also usually based on novels (one source to adapt, not hundreds), and the concepts they're based on don't tend to be as absurd and in some ways, over the top (and even then many of them undergo large changes in story and even mythology). There's also the aspect to consider, speaking of reasons for the changes in design, that Transformers are inherently a pretty far-out concept with some very cartoony and simple (and dated) designs, and would require some serious re-working in general to be palpable as a live-action film in 2007.

Let me borrow a tactic from xw2 and post a couple of pictures to speak on my behalf. I see a lot of similarities in this picture:

I'll play Devil's Advocate: such as?

As for this pic...I see no resemblence.

With "some" being the key word, I do. I named the elements that are shared between the designs of Megatron and the movie version. I'm waiting to see your response on that front.

armaggeddon was pretty darn thought provocking.......so were some elements of the island

Agreed. Michael Bay gets a bad rap because his movies tend to be action-oriented and melodramatic. But that doesn't mean they're completely devoid of character or depth.
I want to say something about faithfulness to a mythology. I'm a die-hard Batman fan. I lived and breathed the comics growing up, and I'm essentially a student of the Batman mythology. I went and watched BATMAN BEGINS, which has the following "changes.
-Rachel. Who the hell is Rachel? Where's Selina Kyle, Silver St. Cloud, or hey, how about Talia? Wait, SHE causes Bruce Wayne to stop being a selfish ass and do something with his life?
-Bruce Wayne's parents are killed outside an opera.
-Earle. Who the hell is Earle?
-Finch. Who the hell is Finch?
-Where's Talia? Why is Ra's Al Ghul's story in the movie mythos omitting Talia Al Ghul, who was the whole point behind the link between Ra's and Bruce in the first place?
-Joe Chill is caught (somehow), and then Bruce Wayne witnesses the man who killed his parents killed.
-Ra's Al Ghul trains Bruce Wayne, and even inspired him to use his fear in becoming a vigilante. Ra's utilizes decoys, and there is no mention of the Lazarus Pit. The League of Assassins now seems to be called The League of Shadows. Ducard is apparently not a real person in the movieverse, but a cover for Ra's Al Ghul.
-The Scarecrow is working for Ra's Al Ghul? Fear Gas comes from Ra's Al Ghul? Mr. Zsasz is working for Carmine Falcone And when did Carmine Falcone become a cheap thug? Wait a minute...Batman takes him down in one night? Falcone goes crazy?
-Batman drives a tank? Batman drives over people inside cars? Batman engages in massive property damage?
-Hey, black segmented armor. Cool.
-Hey, Detective Flass is no longer a good looking, muscular former Green Beret, but a fat slob. Whatever. Also, Commissioner Loeb is no longer an Irishman. Whatever.
-Lucious Fox was ousted from the board of directors? He knows Bruce Wayne is The Batman?
-Wayne Manor burnt down?
And so on, and so forth. And that's just BATMAN BEGINS. And yet fanboys aren't all hating on it? Why? Because the changes worked. You can find major changes to almost ANY adaption in the last, oh, fifty years or so. Change isn't always bad. And sometimes, actually, quite often, it works.

And somehow I skipped over the middle of...son of a...hang on...more coming...

 

[xwolverine2]

well said with the batman stuff.....

i agree.

people here tend to cling on for dear life of many things that will be changed.
hopefully this movie will be a great adaptation (batman begins) and the fans will trust the director the next time around (batman begins)

 

[The Guard]

When he is a veteran producer who at the time was the only one speaking about a movie then yes, he is the voice of the production. He has been making movies long enough to know that when someone makes a comment about a movie, and they are part of the team responsible for making that movie, then that person has just given more or less and official statement.

Fair enough. The voice of a production is allowed to state opinions. The "official statement" he made boils down to: "We're working on getting the license from VW". What does that boil down to? "We're officially in talks with VW". That is not a promise or an assurance of anything but that they are in talks.

When he makes statements like, "He HAS to be a VW bug" and then makes Bumblebee a camaro then it his words, "We're working on it" seem all for naught.

Why do his words suddenly seem all for naught? Did they suddenly go back and time and not work on getting the license because they don't now have it? We know the story. They tried, VW wouldn't allow it. The only reason his words lose any weight is because you misinterpreted them to begin with into something you wanted to believe/hear.

Since you keep telling me to use my common sense then let me throw this at you. I can understand the reasons for them not being able to use a VW bug. But if they were working so hard on trying to get him to be a bug, then wouldn't the next logical step to go with a similar type vehicle? Which is of course a Camaro, right?

They were looking for a "cool" car. The kind of car a kid would want/be able to afford. Which VW's used to be.

Its different. He's not going around saying, "Frank Welker HAS to be Megatron".

No, but it's the same concept. He's getting fans hopes up, or, more specifically, fans are interpreting what is being said as not being his opinion or desire, but as being the likely outcome of the project, and getting their hopes up.

I see a lot of similarities in this picture:

A lot? What, the mustaches are sort of similar? The hairstyle is different, the mustache is different...

clothes are non issue because I don't see a human not changing clothes in a realistic movie.

Fair enough. In that case, Megatron's design is a non-issue, because I don't see a robot having that clunky, generic-robot design in a realistic movie. Clothes are absolutely an issue in this instance, as we're talking about classic designs. Ra's Al Ghul's especially. Ra's Al Ghul's robes/cloaks, etc are almost a signature outfit when it comes to his character.

Size and color...a 34' tall Megatron to a 28' Prime...that doesn't seem very faithful to original designs as in the past they have been similar heights in robot form.

No. Size...color, helmet, limb shape, in some ways, and his massive gun.

Shoulders...what, because they are both wide?

Yes. That is an important part of Megatron's design, is it not? Being freaking huge?

Helmet...because they both have one doesn't make them resemble each other.

Megatron has a helmet, correct? A helmet with a distinct shape to it? Now, his helmet is sharper in the movie, but it still seems to have that distinct shape.

If we go by your analogy then because they have 2 arms and 2 legs means they resemble each other.

Yes, but we're talking about deeper resemblances.

Big ass gun...where? I don't see it...if they confirmed it then I need to see it before I judge it.

We've seen pictures of it. And it's in the script.

If you really want to then go for it. Hell, PM me if you're serious and I'll give you my login and password so that you don't even have to register. I just don't feel like going through the effort myself.

What's the board's URL?

I don't agree, but you're entitled to your opinion.

Answer me this, then: 1. What are the basic visual elements of Megatron's design? 2. How much of that can be realistically and appropriately translated to film?

They said that a flatnose would have been 25 ft and that to make him a flatnose would make these "40-50 ft tall robot we're dealing with here". But the heights they put out gave him a whopping 3 feet on the 25 to make him a grand total of 28'. I have no idea what happened here, whether it is a mistake on Bay's part or damage control gone awry...but it is confusing.

It's possible Bay simply mixed up his numbers. He's working some long hours, after all. He's clearly a longnosed semi because A, it's more modern-looking, and B, it does give him some additional mass without making him look too clunky.

I never said anything to the effect of, "This movie will be too melodramatic". Its a classic good vs evil story...but there have been great good vs evil movies that have kept the heart of the source material without going overboard. Maybe I'm basing my assumption on Bay's past movies too much, none of which had a lot of heart IMO. They've looked spectacular, and I have no doubt that this movie will redefine action and spectacle...but will it "feel" like a Transformers movie? We'll see.

Not making any allusions to you saying anything about melodrama. Just hedging my bets in case someone called me on referring to the drama of the script/film being melodrama. Again, please define "heart" in the context of Transformers. To me, that equals things like how much Optimus Prime cares about the people of Earth, and how much the Autobots care about each other, the autobots loyalty to Prime and their mission, and the friendships and alliances forged between Autobots and humans along the way.

Well, I did this...I asked my non-Transformer fan wife what she thought of this character, then I showed her movie Megatron. She knows that when I'm on this computer that I'm surfing this and other Transformer forums...I'm obssessed so she looks at me and says, "I have no idea". I told her it was Megatron for the movie and her reply was, "They're messing up, that doesn't look like Megatron". I know this is just one person, I don't really feel like doing a research study on who can recognize Megatron among a group of random people but that comment coming from a non-fan was adequate enough for me.

I meant put all the Transformers from the movie in a lineup and ask someone who would know the characters well enough to be remotely able to tell "Which one is Megatron"? Whether it looks exactly like Megatron does in the show and comics is kind of irrelevant. Prime doesn't look exactly like Prime does in the comics/show, either. Try asking your wife if she can pick out common elements between the cartoon/comic version and the movie version.

 

[CFlash]

Really can't converse with a guy who doesn't get the difference between an energy source and a source of life.

As for Batman. Don't even get me started. I've "liked" all the movies except for Schumaker ones... but I have yet to see a real Batman movie. No Batman Begins was not it. I actually think Burton's movie came closer. I want to see dark, noir, DETECTIVE Batman.

In Batman Begins he seemed like an idiot... not the "smartest and most dangerous man in the world" (as Superman would put it).

If I see one more stupid "doomesday" weapon in a Batman movie, I'm going throw up. In fact, if you think about... the endstory in Batman Begins was a complete rehash of Batman 89.

 

[Avangarde]

Thats a lot of research Guard, love your work.

 

[CFlash]

They were looking for a "cool" car. The kind of car a kid would want/be able to afford. Which VW's used to be.

In 1984? The "cool" car in 1984 was a Trans-am (because of Knight Rider). VW's weren't really all that cool to have in 1984. Jim Shooter and Bob Bodiansky at Marvel (the guys who wrote the whole backstory and character bios) specifically chose the Beetle toy over any other to make the "liason." They even had a Trans-am / Camaro (in some molds) to choose from (Windcharger).

In fact, they probably picked him over Windcharger or Cliffjumper (BB's fellow minibots) EXACTLY BECAUSE HE WASN'T THE "COOL CAR."
Dear lord... I can't believe I even have to explain that s***.

Fair enough. In that case, Megatron's design is a non-issue, because I don't see a robot having that clunky, generic-robot design in a realistic movie.

Me neither. I don't want any of the robots to have their designs exact in the movie. We'd have a Power Rangers type movie. But I do think they need to bear iconic semblances with the originals. Prime looks pretty good (except for the super-tacky flames). Megatron looks like the turd monster from Dogma. But I'd be happy if they just gave him a cannon. This movie has disgusted me so much I'll take anything.

 

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Thats a lot of research Guard, love your work.

Research? Did you see his bibliography or something?

 

[MagicPrime]

Really can't converse with a guy who doesn't get the difference between an energy source and a source of life.

As for Batman. Don't even get me started. I've "liked" all the movies except for Schumaker ones... but I have yet to see a real Batman movie. No Batman Begins was not it. I actually think Burton's movie came closer. I want to see dark, noir, DETECTIVE Batman.

In Batman Begins he seemed like an idiot... not the "smartest and most dangerous man in the world" (as Superman would put it).

If I see one more stupid "doomesday" weapon in a Batman movie, I'm going throw up. In fact, if you think about... the endstory in Batman Begins was a complete rehash of Batman 89.

Batman didn't instantly become the "Smartest and Most dangerous man in the world" out of the gate. His first time out in costume in Year One he messed up plenty.

 

[Avangarde]

Research? Did you see his bibliography or something?

When I say that I mean searching through all the threads for the sorces of quotes.

 

[nosebleed.]

When I say that I mean searching through all the threads for the sorces of quotes.

OIC...he loves doing that. You should've seen the Batman Begins boards before it came out. I think I've seen some of it over at Superman Returns also. He has some valid points and the debate (for lack of a better word) is fun...but keeping an open mind can be applied to both sides. Keep an open mind about new ideas but also keep an open mind about the production having ulterior motives when they make certain changes to these characters.

 

[Avangarde]

^^