Transformers Holy ****!!!i got an e-mail from Don Murphy

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Actually, we do. You assuming they haven't been faithful at all to the mythology because you haven't read the script or discovered the story is pretty much your fault.

Please excuse me for not reading the script. I'd like to have some sense of surprise when the movie comes out. And as I have stated many times before...I have concerns about a couple of the designs...not the story. Thanks for chastising me on not spoiling myself though.

You won't read the script, but you will make assumptions about what is/isn't in it without doing so? The story is this: Transformers, giant robot beings from a war-torn world who can transform, come to Earth, meet human beings, ally with humans to stop evil Decepticons and prevent them from taking control of Energon. Does that sound like the basic concept of Transformers to you? Because it sure as hell does to me.

If you are willing to accept completely different looking characters while still adhering to what you typed above then good on you. I'm unhappy with the designs...that's my opinion. I never said Bay isn't sticking to the basic concept...but that doesn't mean its going to feel like a Transformers movie. It may redefine Transformers for a new generation but it could also alienate a couple of generations worth of people who already have a "basic concept" of what they feel Transformers to be.

Yes, in the cartoon. This is a movie. It is less faithful to the LETTER of the mythos, but not to the story mechanics of it. Transformers still come to Earth from Cybertron and space.

I agree. But what is the sole reason for changing so much?

[/quote]No, I mean Energon, cube or otherwise. Energon is in the story, and energon is fairly important part of the Transformers mythology. According to every source I can find (and the show), Energon was involved in G1 and several other generations to boot. [/quote]

Energon in the context of "food" or Energon renamed from Matrix of Leadership?

It's not remotely similar. Many people other than Bush said there would be WMD's. Don Murphy was stating personal opinions and wants, not a government backed lie.

Sorry for the digression, back the subject. DM's personal opinions and wants represent the production of the movie when he voices it in a public forum.

He didn't assure anyone of it, though. He said "We're working on it". Which assures you that they're working on it, and that it's a concern, not that it will happen. "I want him to be a bug" is not "He WILL be a bug".

Its all wordplay...he said she said. He knew that he was the sole voice for Transformers at the time. Nobody else was talking to the fans, the other producers, writers, or director (not selected at the time). If he didn't want his concerns heard as what's happening in production at the time then he should have hired a PR agent.

A cautiously optimistic statement about working on a car company to get the licensing neccessary for Bumblebee to be a bug seems black and white to you?

If they were able to successfully procure permission to use a VW bug then he would have taken complete credit. So why can't he take the blame for saying, "Bumblebee HAS to be a bug"?

Except that he didn't assure it. He essentially said "If we have our way, this is what will happen".

Except that's not what he said.

Wow, what profound insight. Just like calling the character in BATMAN BEGINS "Ra's Al Ghul" doesn't make him exactly like his comic counterpart, calling Optimus Prime "Optimus Prime" doesn't make him EXACTLY like his comic and show counterparts. But that's not the point.

You're example is a poor one because Ra's Al Ghul looked like himself for the most part...in a realistic tone. Megatron looks nothing like any incarnation that came before this movie. This is from a design perspective...which is where my complaint stems from. Not his characterization...which I don't know because its my fault that I don't want to read the script. Boo on me.

The point is, the characters have elements from their comic and show counterparts that make them pretty damn recognizable as those characters. Optimus Prime is the instantly recognizable leader. Ratchet is the medical officer. Bumblebee is the loyal, somewhat human robot making alliances with humans, and even making friends. Ironhide is the military/right hand man type. Megatron is the evil Decepticon ruler who sneers at all that is decent. Starscream is his somewhat two-faced right hand man.

Once again, let me point out my complaints...Megatron does not look like any incarnation whatsoever. Starscream's only point of resemblence is the jet parts. Other than that they look like completely different characters.

Go ask Don Murphy what he meant. That will pretty much end the speculation.

I really don't feel like getting a half assed flamebaited answer, so I think I'll pass.

All it takes is a little common sense to figure out what he meant. Had I been around here back then, I'd have cautioned you all not to assume he meant to expect a literal translation of the show and the comics, as I did with Chris Nolan's BATMAN BEGINS when Nolan and Goyer starting talking about faithfulness, which, surprise surprise, turned out to be not a literal translation of the comics and the mythos. Or really even that close beyond the basics, which TRANSFORMERS seems to have nailed.

We will see, but as far as the designs for Megatron and Starscream are concerned I don't feel that your statement is true.

A spin tactic, as you put it, is often nothing more than the simple truth that some disgruntled fanboy chooses to whine about because he's not getting what he wants. You're mad because he won't admit to lying, when it's entirely possible he didn't begin to mislead you.

So according to you studios don't use spin tactics to make the unfavorable seem favorable? That is naive thinking.

That's nice. Too bad he never said that.

He didn't say most of the things that you say he meant either...the door swings both ways.

 

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wasnt that actually gonna happen?......with tim burton though?

and no............it made he hate tim burton to this day.

i used to respect him for his creativity..........not anymore

How is Tim Burton wanting to make Superman look almost completely different from any previous incarnation of Superman different from what Bay/Hasbro/Dreamworks did to Megatron?

 

[xwolverine2]

megatron this...megatron that

 

[x-fan]

there really hasnt been too many versions of superman ......but transformers are many

 

[x-fan]

the way i see it is this isnt G1 transformer or anyother form for that matter what it is, is the nest generation of transformers. in every generation of tf, the leader has been optimus and megatron, and most of the henchmen remain also why complain because this isnt something it isnt suppose to be. yeah they started out wanting a G1 movie but for what ever reason the decided not to make it that way. lets see what this one has to offer

 

[xwolverine2]

How is Tim Burton wanting to make Superman look almost completely different from any previous incarnation of Superman different from what Bay/Hasbro/Dreamworks did to Megatron?

tim burton wanted to **** with all the mythology,story,character,designs,tone,vision,.......and im sure he wouldve hired danny elfman to completely re-imagine the music.....

bay is keeping the story,characters,tone,mythology(with minor changes),.....even petercullen.......

as for music.... who cares

 

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tim burton wanted to **** with all the mythology,story,character,designs,tone,vision,.......and im sure he wouldve hired danny elfman to completely re-imagine the music.....

bay is keeping the story,characters,tone,mythology(with minor changes),.....even petercullen.......

as for music.... who cares

Let's see...you listed mythology, story, character, designs, tone, vision and music.

mythology - I have yet to see but he is changing a lot of key elements since this is the basic concept of G1

story - how is this different from mythology?

character - yet to see

designs - don't get me started. Most of you know how I feel on this.

tone - the tone I'm getting is that of a badass Michael Bay movie. We've yet to see anything involving character so I can't really judge it but it seems kind of heartless as far as tone is concerned.

vision - how is this different from mythology?

music - I am as of right now pleased that they have stated that they will incorporate the original theme into the score somehow. And the transformation sound being adapted highly pleases me also.

 

[xwolverine2]

music - I am as of right now pleased that they have stated that they will incorporate the original theme into the score somehow. And the transformation sound being adapted highly pleases me also.

please show me where they actually said that

 

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please show me where they actually said that

Why? Does this not make you happy?

and at least a nod to the original “More Than Meets The Eye” theme that we all have sung at one time or another.

 

[CFlash]

there really hasnt been too many versions of superman ......but transformers are many

Not of the original story... which this movie is telling. All other versions took place at different points in time (latter, past). I've said it before, but it's like saying Spidey with a Black Suit would have been OK in Spider-Man 1(!) just because it was black at some point in the comics.

And, again, nobody wants a replica of Megatron. But come on... a little resemblance would be nice. An arm cannon perhaps?

 

[x-fan]

cf did you read my other post

the way i see it is this isnt G1 transformer or anyother form for that matter what it is, is the next generation of transformers. in every generation of tf, the leader has been optimus and megatron, and most of the henchmen remain also why complain because this isnt something it isnt suppose to be. yeah they started out wanting a G1 movie but for what ever reason the decided not to make it that way. lets see what this one has to offer

 

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And, again, nobody wants a replica of Megatron. But come on... a little resemblance would be nice. An arm cannon perhaps?

Why do people believe that just because some people don't like some of the current designs that we want exact replicas of G1?

I DO NOT WANT THAT!!

I want modernized designs that still remain faithful to G1. That's why I can live with Optimus. I'm not 100% happy with it but I can accept it because the resemblence is there whereas the current Megatron looks completely alien from ANY previous incarnation...pun intended.

 

[x-fan]

but he will have his all important arm canon and most importanly his personality

 

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but he will have his all important arm canon

we'll see. I'll believe it when I see it...but as of now I hate the design. Starscream isn't even as bad as Megs, but its a close 2nd.

But you all have heard that before...especially xw2 since he's the truest Transformer fan here.

 

[x-fan]

then i suggest you start holding your breath and hoping im right


lol j/k

 

[CFlash]

but he will have his all important arm canon and most importanly his personality

His personality? "The Bad Guy" personality. Uh... OK. Well, that's not so hard to do. I mean, does he come out at the end and start barking out commands to the other Decepticons? From what I know... he comes out at the end like a boss in a Metroid game.

The Decepts better have a whole hell of a lot more lines than what was leaked in that script.

 

[xwolverine2]

Why? Does this not make you happy?

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adaptation and nod are two dif. things

 

[x-fan]

cf i hope your right about more lines being added i also hope that this reimagining of the transformers rocks so hard it gets us a sequel so megs can scan an earth mode. shame i never got intothe bad guys camp and liked them i was always an autobot fan thought star scream whined too much and megatron was a big sissy most of the time and after he killed prime in the movie(86) i stopped watching the show since all my faves died. though i hope

*spoiler*






i hope they dont kill M at the end and let him and the decepticons retreat to plan on another way of geting their hands on the all important cube






*end spoiler*

 

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adaptation and nod are two dif. things

Do you even like Transformers?? Why does almost complete change please you?

 

[xwolverine2]

Do you even like Transformers?? Why does almost complete change please you?

having an 80s cartoon theme song is plain ******ed.........i welcome change...not completely ignore it.

 

[Advocate05]

I welcome change too, but when they s**t on the one thing you love. Thats where you draw the line. Not go ...

"oh well ... I guess Megatron looking like a Guyver ripoff is okay. As long as he has a main gun. Oh no main gun. Okay as long as he is a robot. Not a robot? Okay as long as he's a thing. He's a spirit? Okay as long as he's in the movie. In the last half hour then dies by Spikes hands? Okay as long as hes a decepticon."

From now on I will call XW2 ... Eeyore
Heres your new avatar

 

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having an 80s cartoon theme song is plain ******ed.........i welcome change...not completely ignore it.

Thanks for answering my question...that was sarcasm btw.

I'll ask again. Do you even like Transformers?

 

[xwolverine2]

pissy fanboys

 

[CFlash]

I welcome change too, but when they s**t on the one thing you love. Thats where you draw the line. Not go ...

"oh well ... I guess Megatron looking like a Guyver ripoff is okay. As long as he has a main gun. Oh no main gun. Okay as long as he is a robot. Not a robot? Okay as long as he's a thing. He's a spirit? Okay as long as he's in the movie. In the last half hour then dies by Spikes hands? Okay as long as hes a decepticon."

From now on I will call XW2 ... Eeyore
Heres your new avatar

That post made my day.

 

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pissy fanboys

Do you come to the Transformer boards just to promote hate against anything resembling any prior incarnation of Transformers non-movie related or are you really that much of a Bay fan? Seriously, because whenever anybody mentions ANYTHING non-Transformer movie related you pretty much call it, "old 80s crap".