How do you rate the "Hush" story arc?

[TruerToTheCore]

No, it wasn't even close to a thrashing. Bruce even admits himself "He could go superspeed and crush me into pulp if he wanted."

If Superman had really wanted to kill Batman, he would have. End of story.

Also, something I never liked was the comment "deep down Clark's a good person. And I'm not." Honestly, it's pure crap. It's one of those lines Frank Miller would throw in there because it sounds "badass." Batman, deep down, IS a good person. He protects people. He fights to make sure what happened to him as a child doesn't happen to anyone else. If he wasn't a good person deep down, he would have turned into the Punisher a long time ago.

My words.

 

[Mr. Earle]

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[SurfDUI]

Such passion
I agree 100% with all of the detractors except-

Lee's art is really from another period in comics if that makes sense. He's just never really HAD to adjust...instead the industry ended up w/ Lee clones. In 1991 (X-MEN) it was like fresh air, souless air nonetheless, but now not so much.

Loeb writes like a dude playing w/ a hot wheel case full of assorted action figures, I bought all of the single issues and was like the whole time, why so many characters?...It was like Batman the Guantlet. I did like Hulk Grey tho.

I will say the image of Supes w/ his hands around Bruce's neck is one of those iconic art works that I'll always think of Batman. YEA the fight was kind of ...yea, but I mean who else would think that quick w/ a mind controlled Kryptonian trying Not to crush you.

The Azzerello story right behind it was much more engaging.


But I grew up w/ the Breyfogle Bats-

Good thread.

 

[Comics N' Toons]

If we can't all agree that it is at least a good story, then some of us need to stop reading comic books.

 

[Drz]

And what qualifies it as a good book? The art? the weak enemy? the pointless appearance of villains? The fact the book had to start with Batman being an idiot who never had a backup plan for his rope getting cut off? I think you need to take a good re-read on Hush!

 

[SurfDUI]

If we can't all agree that it is at least a good story, then some of us need to stop reading comic books.

...so if its @ least a 'good' story, why can't...the rest of us find it the classic..at best right, YOU feel it is. Or maybe some of us need to start reading a lot more comics.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Aside from the extreme obviousness that bruce's long lost chidhood friend who sudenly returns in the midst of odd circumstances, is the villain of the story. It was a good arc and great art.

I have the absolute edition and it looks incredible at the blown up size.

 

[Naked Shia]

ah c'mon. Like Batman would think he is a bad person. Another thing I hate in Hush.

That was a really stupid line in the story. I really don't care for the batjerk. Batman is far from being just a crimefighter. He's also a hero. He should always save someone over stopping his foe. Knowing his story, it's the only thing that makes sense.

quoted for truth. besides, I'm really not a fan of Jim Lee's lackluster and boring storytelling capabilities. If I want to see pretty pictures that use the same perspective over and over again, I pick up one of the many pin-up artbooks out there. But I want my comicbooks, a visual medium, look more dynamic than that.

the story is uninteresting and repetitive to say the least, and worst of all, it's Long Halloween all over again. Just in 'bad'. Batman beating up Superman and squeezing around with catwoman while having swordfights with ra's al ghul in the desert? I'm sorry, good and well thought out storystructure this is not. these are the dreams fanfictions are made of. reading it for the first time, I was just waiting for the page in which the joker is raping harley violently on a children's clown bed while she's enjoying it. the comicbook is all about the payoffs, said relationship between bats and cats und superman getting the crap handed to him, but the build ups were ridiculous and unimaginitive. just fanfiction stuff.

but I don't care much for jeph loeb in general. If you'd have asked me what's my favorite batman comicbook around 10 years ago, I might have said 'the long halloween'. as of today, I don't like it that much anymore either. it's a good, entertaining little crime story, I give it that. but it's definitely not the end of days of batmancomicbooks. it doesn't help much that jeph loeb is, basically, writing the same story over and over again. dark victory and hush read like the long halloween, just with a different layout.

Jeph Loeb writes horrible dialogues, and he wrote Hush like he wrote TLH and DV. His strategy is just to put as many characters as possible, instead of writing a great story with the ones he uses.

His Hush arc was bland. And I'm not crazy about Jim Lee's art. It's soulless to me.

That's why I consider Hush to be inferior.

 

[Naked Shia]

If we can't all agree that it is at least a good story, then some of us need to stop reading comic books.

I think you're right. We should all love the same stories, for the same reason. And If we don't agree with what you like, we should stop reading comic books....

And what qualifies it as a good book? The art? the weak enemy? the pointless appearance of villains? The fact the book had to start with Batman being an idiot who never had a backup plan for his rope getting cut off? I think you need to take a good re-read on Hush!

It doesn't bother me that people like Hush. What bothers me is when they say "it's teh best story evaaRRR", or "if you don't like, you teh not true fan of teh true Batman!!".

 

[Mace Dolex]

Aside from the extreme obviousness that bruce's long lost chidhood friend who sudenly returns in the midst of odd circumstances, is the villain of the story. It was a good arc and great art.

Yeah I hated that poor introduction to Thomas Elliot, it's been shown throughout Bruce Wayne's history that he pretty much been a loner with zero friends that right when he gets injured instead of getting Leslie Thompkins who the reader is familiar with up from nowhere we get a long long long long lost childhood friend of his who happens to be a doctor.


"hey Alfred lets look up my friend Thomas Elliot who I haven't spoken to in twenty years".

 

[Ponyboy]

And I'm not crazy about Jim Lee's art. It's soulless to me.

And yet you prefer soulless zombies over people. Make up your mind, man!!

Anyway... holy dead thread. I liked Hush for what it was, but it doesn't lend to re-reading like say, Dark Victory or TDKR of course. I would give it two & a half stars out of five, but frankly, I have always loved Jim Lee's art since I first saw it (X-Men #1) and so Hush gets *** out of ***** for me. t:

 

[Naked Shia]

And yet you prefer soulless zombies over people. Make up your mind, man!!

Anyway... holy dead thread. I liked Hush for what it was, but it doesn't lend to re-reading like say, Dark Victory or TDKR of course. I would give it two & a half stars out of five, but frankly, I have always loved Jim Lee's art since I first saw it (X-Men #1) and so Hush gets *** out of ***** for me. t:

Yes, but I don't want to be a zombie myself, and reading something soulless does make me feel like a living dead

I can understand your point about Lee's art. Like they say, to each their own!

 

[Spider-Aziz]

First time I read the story I really liked it
Second view of some parts only, and what the what is the purpose of the bluff of Robin fighting Catwoman in the Batcave? The most useless bluff I remember

 

[BH/HHH]

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Haha love it! I still think think Zack Snyder gave the best answer to Superman vs Batman.

 

[Mee]

I loved Hush when it first came out, but it hasn't aged well. Along with Dark Victory, it feels kind of repetitive after Long Halloween (long complicated mystery plot that Batman doesn't really solve, tons of villains), and there's a lot of...dumb stuff in it.


It's probably Jim Lee's best art though, and the story is still fun enough, worth reading. And it enabled all the great stuff that Paul Dini did with Batman/Catwoman and Hush, so that's good.

 

[Naked Shia]

ARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH. I hate what Dini did with the Bats/cats relationship. It feels so forced to me!!!!

 

[Fudgie]

Medium rating from moi. That's mainly for Jim Lee's amazing art.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

ARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH. I hate what Dini did with the Bats/cats relationship. It feels so forced to me!!!!

What about what Loeb did in this story? He got Batman unmasking revealing his identity and kissing Selina

 

[Naked Shia]

What about what Loeb did in this story? He got Batman unmasking revealing his identity and kissing Selina

it feels forced as well.