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The Dark Knight How is this IMAX thing going to work?

I'm not too familiar with it, but from the way Wally explained it, it was just the mainstream use of 2K projectors, when 4K is probably the minimum that they would want to go. I'm sure they spend enough time staring at film to know, LOL. I wouldn't notice, but they're the kind of people I would trust.

Oh, I know. It's just I think they underestimate how good 2K can look as 4K digital projection technology can be very expensive. Aside from BB, I've seen the second TDK trailer in two different theaters in digital projection and it looked great both times.

I'll be seeing TDK in a regular, non-digital projection theater first (one of the Regal theater chains), then we'll see if Pfister and Nolan are correct about digital not doing justice to the film prints. I work at Carmike Cinemas (all of the screens there are digital projection but they can show 35mm prints if the studios demand it).
 
Oh, I know. It's just I think they underestimate how good 2K can look as 4K digital projection technology can be very expensive. Aside from BB, I've seen the second TDK trailer in two different theaters in digital projection and it looked great both times.

I'll be seeing TDK in a regular, non-digital projection theater first (one of the Regal theater chains), then we'll see if Pfister and Nolan are correct about digital not doing justice to the film prints. I work at Carmike Cinemas (all of the screens there are digital projection but they can show 35mm prints if the studios demand it).

I totally agree that films shot digitally never look as good as those shot on film - but I LOVE digital projectors. My local cinema has 2 of 'em and I always try to see movies that way. God bless Nolan and Pfister but I have to disagree with them on this one - movies projected digitally always look so much sharper and richer than those projected traditionally. Most theaters f*** up traditional projection so much as well, it's never properly in focus whereas DP is always in pin-sharp focus, and is brighter than film projection as well. Shot on film but projected digitally is my favourite way to see movies. (apart from IMAX of course - where quality projection is always assured)

As for 2k/4k etc., I don't know if it such a big issue tbh - at IMAX sized screens maybe, but not for regular theaters. Found a very interesting interview with James Cameron concerning the whole subject if anyone's interested.

Jim Cameron said:
You don't need to be in 3-D at every step of the way. I cut on a normal Avid, and only when the scene is fine cut do we output left and right eye video tracks to the server in the screening room and check the cut for stereo. A shot is judged on the merits of performance, operating, lighting, etc., and not 3-D. I think this is a healthy approach.

There are already calls to increase the frame rate to at least 30 frames per second for digital 3-D because certain camera moves, especially pans, look jumpy in 3-D. You've been an advocate for both 3-D and higher frame rates. What do you think is the solution?

For three-fourths of a century of 2-D cinema, we have grown accustomed to the strobing effect produced by the 24-frames-per-second display rate. When we see the same thing in 3-D, it stands out more, not because it is intrinsically worse, but because all other things have gotten better. Suddenly the image looks so real, it's like you're standing there in the room with the characters, but when the camera pans, there is this strange motion artifact. It's like you never saw it before, when in fact it's been hiding in plain sight the whole time. Some people call it judder, others strobing. I call it annoying. It's also easily fixed.

Our current generation of digital projectors can currently run up to 144 frames per second, and they are still being improved. So right now, today, we could be shooting 2-D movies at 48 frames and running them at that speed. This alone would make 2-D movies look astonishingly clear and sharp, at very little extra cost, with equipment that's already installed or being installed. I've run tests on 48 frame per second stereo and it is stunning. The cameras can do it, the projectors can (with a small modification) do it.

So why aren't we doing it, as an industry? Because people have been asking the wrong question for years. They have been so focused on resolution, and counting pixels and lines, that they have forgotten about frame rate. A 2K image at 48 frames per second looks as sharp as a 4K image at 24 frames per second ... with one fundamental difference: the 4K/24 image will judder miserably during a panning shot, and the 2K/48 won't.

If every single digital theater was perceived by the audience as being equivalent to Imax or Showscan in image quality, which is readily achievable with off-the-shelf technology now, running at higher frame rates, then isn't that the same kind of marketing hook as 3-D itself? Something you can't get at home. An aspect of the film that you can't pirate.

Of course, the ideal format is 3-D/2K/48 fps projection. I'd love to have done 'Avatar' at 48 frames. But I have to fight these battles one at a time. I'm just happy people are waking up to 3-D.

Maybe on "Avatar 2."


http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117983865.html?categoryid=2868&cs=1
 
i know this is off topic, but for buying IMAX tix do you have to buy them before hand or can you pick them up at the theater?
 
i just remember seeing the prologue, and how afterwards they did a little mini preview, which had some shots that i dont think were shot with an imax camera, and i didnt notice a difference at all.
 
i know this is off topic, but for buying IMAX tix do you have to buy them before hand or can you pick them up at the theater?

i believe you can do both. when you buy them online you pick them up at the theatre anyways, so i'm assuming it's both.
 
Argh, I wish I never read this thread. Now when I'm seeing it on a normal screen, I'm going to feel like I'm missing out. So... I'm just going to forget all this.

Although I'll be interested to hear if the swapping between IMAX and Widescreen shots gets disorienting or not. I've never had the experience, so I have no idea.
 
i just remember seeing the prologue, and how afterwards they did a little mini preview, which had some shots that i dont think were shot with an imax camera, and i didnt notice a difference at all.

All of the shots they showed after the prologue were shot with IMAX cameras.
 
even the shot of the bat signal getting smashed? i thought it was only action scenes.

Apparently, they shot some non action scenes in IMAX also. Everything in the prologue was in IMAX. The quality of every shot was way too good to have been blown up from 35mm. I work at an IMAX theatre and watched the prologue almost every day for a month. I watch IMAX documentary's and films that were shot on 35mm and gone through the DMR process every day. I can tell the difference.
 
Argh, I wish I never read this thread. Now when I'm seeing it on a normal screen, I'm going to feel like I'm missing out. So... I'm just going to forget all this.

Although I'll be interested to hear if the swapping between IMAX and Widescreen shots gets disorienting or not. I've never had the experience, so I have no idea.

It will be interesting to see how they handle it in TDK. Other IMAX films, documentary's have cut between different sized images before. It's totally impressive, you get used to seeing the image in a smaller size and then BANG, the image is huge. It always impresses me. This type of effect was recently done in the Rolling Stones concert film "Shine A Light" They showed the first 20 min or so as a smaller image centered on the IMAX screen. When the concert started, the image explodes into full screen IMAX. It was great. What will be interesting with TDK is how it will be going from the full IMAX screen to the letterboxed parts of the film. The Prologue had the very opening credits cropped into an extreme wide screen image which cut to the full frame size image flying into the bank building. They of course went back to a letterboxed image for the I Am Legend feature.
 
I saw Batman Begins at a Imax theatre and it didn't bother me, I enjoyed it.

35mm films that are digitally remastered (DMR) are fantastic, the only way to have a better quality film presentation would be to shoot on IMAX film to begin with. The question with TDK is not if it will look good or not, but how they will handle switching between two different formats within the same move. It will switch between really really good letterboxed images to the best quality ever with full hight IMAX images.

I can't wait. I do get to screen the film about a week before it opens!
 
Im just wondering how the hell will this work on DVD/Blu ray??
 
Im just wondering how the hell will this work on DVD/Blu ray??

I would guess, they will just release a wide screen version of the film. Exactly what is going to be playing in 35mm theatres. The IMAX version of the film is designed to work in IMAX theatres... I don't care how big your TV is at home, you wouldn't be able to recreate the IMAX theatre experience. Someone with a lot of money might be able to, but not the average consumer. The IMAX version will be seen in IMAX theatres and the other version is what we will see on DVD/Bluray. They may use IMAX framed shots for a full screen version and crop/pan and scan the 35mm footage to match. Do they make full frame DVD's still? This is my guess, my prediction, my opinion.

If you want the IMAX version, you are going to need to see it in an IMAX theatre.
 
I've got tickets to the Orlando screening. I was trying to avoid seeing it in IMAX for the first time and was gonna go on my 2nd or 3rd time. I'm wondering if the changes from the IMAX ratio to the standard ratio is distracting at all? I'm sure the IMAX looks fantastic but are the IMAX sequences all IMAX? Meaning....I hope it's not IMAX shot, standard, standard, IMAX, etc.....
 
Not at all. When it makes the transition to IMAX scene its more of a 'WHAM!' - visceral type feeling. See it in IMAX first!
 
from what i have read, only the major sequences were filmed in IMAX, while the rest of the movie was filmed standardly. during the IMAX showings, obviously the IMAX-filmed portions will cover the entire screen, and the rest will be up-converted using existing imax technology to fill the entire screen. i think i read this on entertainement weekly last night...
 
from what i have read, only the major sequences were filmed in IMAX, while the rest of the movie was filmed standardly. during the IMAX showings, obviously the IMAX-filmed portions will cover the entire screen, and the rest will be up-converted using existing imax technology to fill the entire screen. i think i read this on entertainement weekly last night...

I know that. But I'm sondering if EVERY ahot in those sequences will be IMAX? Imagine watching a fast paced action sequences on your widescreen tv and the shots keep switching back and forth between wide and standard. Or is every shot during the IMAX sequences IMAX size?
 
I imagine every shot in the IMAX sequence is in IMAX. Look at the prolouge, no switching,
 
I know that. But I'm sondering if EVERY ahot in those sequences will be IMAX? Imagine watching a fast paced action sequences on your widescreen tv and the shots keep switching back and forth between wide and standard. Or is every shot during the IMAX sequences IMAX size?

Won't happen. They convert the IMAX sequences to the same format as the rest of the movie (which I believe is 2:35:1) and crop out the top and bottom. Its basically the opposite of formatting a widescreen movie to full screen where they end up cutting off the left and right. Instead they will METICULOUSLY (as Nolan put it) crop out the top and bottom of the images, but still keep as much of the shot in as possible. You can see the Prologue on the Blu-Ray version of Batman Begins as an example.
 
I imagine the Imax filmed scenes will fill the whole 8 storey screen while the non imax filmed scenes will only fill up a certain amount (imagine watching a widescreen film on a normal television with the black bars at the bottom and the top this is how Batman Begins was on Imax)

So i guess the film will flip between filling the screen and being a 'letterbox' version.
 
imo....this imax screen size switching....is a non issue.
 
To answer the actual question, every shot in the IMAX sequences is IMAX, so there isn't choppy back and forth. The only transition is between the six IMAX scenes and the rest of the movie, which should be easy to deal with.
 

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