World How long before someone makes their OWN version of Superman II?

[Catman]

I just went over to the IMDb boards and people are already talking about combining the Lester and Donner films to make their own version.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

I f I had time, I would. The final scene at the White House needs to be in the movie. The President screams for Superman's help, and finally Superman goes to to apologize for not appearing. It completes the movie.

Plus, the scene of Clark getting beaten up in the diner is not enough. I'd shoot my own scene where he gets his balls beaten with a rope.

I'm working on an edit of Batman Forever as close to the original cut (i.e. staring at Arkham) as possible.

 

[Catman]

I'm working on an edit of Batman Forever as close to the original cut (i.e. staring at Arkham) as possible.

Fantastic!

For Superman II remember to include Superman telling Zod, "care to step outside" instead of "ever heard of freedom of the press?"

 

[KGBeast]

i´d like to see a definitive version of Superman 2, The Donner & Lester Cut. Taking the best of each one.

 

[Moviefan2k4]

I agree with the folks who say they want a combined version, but if there's one thing Donner is known for, it's his belief of sole directorial credit. The Salkinds reportedly approached him for co-director with Lester in 1979, but he turned them down.

 

[ReeveFan1978]

So how does one do that? Do computers that burn dvd's, record these dvd movies?

Id love to see such a copy. It needs to be combined because there are great things in both versions.

MHO

EL

 

[Kevin Roegele]

So how does one do that? Do computers that burn dvd's, record these dvd movies?

Id love to see such a copy. It needs to be combined because there are great things in both versions.

MHO

EL

I use Ulead Video Studio and DVD Shrink. I've made several trailers which are on YouTube, and with Batman Forever I'm up to Batman fighting two-Face's thugs at the beginning. Using the deleted scenes from the DVD and trailers, there is a large ammount of un-used footage. Plus, I've taken out the infamous sandwich line, and used the Danny Elfman theme for Batman suiting up and driving to the bank at the beginning (which now occurs after meeting Nygma at Wayetech).

 

[Catman]

I wanna see those YouTube clips. Do you have a link?

 

[Thot]

The Donner Cut stands alone just fine. I don't think a Lester/Donner version would be very palatable. Too many differences in style and sensibilities. I'm very happy with what we got!

 

[Catman]

Too many differences in style and sensibilities.

Dude, that's something the film has suffered since the beginning. Look at Lester's version. The Donner stuff stick out like crazy. The same can be said about Donner's version. The Lester stuff stick out like crazy.

But, there is a way to put it all together and still make a great movie out of it. I think we should help Kevin Roegle with his cut.

This is how I would do it:
1. Start with Lester's recap/opening credits. Then, end with Superman sending the missle into outer space and allowing Zod to escape.
2. Keep EVERYTHING Donner shot INCLUDING those deleted scenes. Why did they cut that stuff? Its really stupid. I think it should be put back in.
3. Put back in Lester's version of Superman's reappearence. "Care to step outside" is better than "ever heard of freedom of the press?"
4. Get rid of turning the Earth around. IMO this is how the film should end:
-Superman and Lois leave the Fortress and fly back to the apartment. They have their speech and Superman flies away. FADE TO BLACK. Then, we put back in the deleted scene of Lex Luthor escaping Jail...again. CUT TO the diner scene in which Clark beats up the trucker. The Superman theme starts to play and we have a smooth cut to Superman flying to the White House and apologizing to the President. Then...THE END.

 

[Moviefan2k4]

I use Ulead Video Studio...

How on Earth do you get the playback to work properly during the edit? I have 768MB of RAM on my PC, and the d@mn program stalls on me during playback!

 

[Catman]

Maybe he has a 1024MB and keeps his hard-drive clean.

 

[Majik1387]

I use Ulead Video Studio and DVD Shrink. I've made several trailers which are on YouTube, and with Batman Forever I'm up to Batman fighting two-Face's thugs at the beginning. Using the deleted scenes from the DVD and trailers, there is a large ammount of un-used footage. Plus, I've taken out the infamous sandwich line, and used the Danny Elfman theme for Batman suiting up and driving to the bank at the beginning (which now occurs after meeting Nygma at Wayetech).

Awesome. Looking forward to seeing it, if possible.

 

[Catman]

Yeah, Kev. I've known you for almost 5 years now and this is the first I hear of you making videos. I wanna see your stuff.

 

[Road Warrior]

I read this as well on IMDb. Honestly, I see where people are coming from with this idea. Donner's version was perfect but unforunately he didn't finish the film. So, you're forced to put in Lester's stuff. And, if you're forced to put in his stuff atleast try your best to make the best out of it.

On IMDb someone wrote something that agreed with. Donner still seems really upset about the entire ordeal. I don't blame him. But, it got in the way of making Superman II the best it could. It seemed like he removed as much of Lester as possible just for the hell of it. And, Michael Thau kind of proves this on DVD. Originally he had more Lester stuff included and felt (after Donner saw the cut) like he had to remove it.

Lester may not have been the best man for the job. That's something Superman III proves. But, he did do a pretty good job with Superman II. You can't say his Superman II is bad because it isn't. It's inferior...no question about it but it's still a really good movie. And, his version included some awesome stuff like the "step outside" line and his apology to the president. All that should have been included in Donner's cut.

 

[Moviefan2k4]

I use Ulead Video Studio...

Do you have the full version or the trial, and what are the system requirements for it? I'm running Windows XP, and I have an AMD 2500+ AthlonXP processor, 768MB of RAM, and 80GB hard drive...not sure if I need anything else or not. I can't seem to convert the captured VOB files to MPEG though, without the audio being scrapped during the conversion....makes no sense to me.

 

[ReeveFan1978]

Id add the elevator scene with jimmy and Clark and that bully THEN go back to the diner. LOL

EL

Once a girl's seen Superman in action, Niagara Falls kinda leaves you cold.

Actually I'd fit that shirt ripping scene in someplace.
4. Get rid of turning the Earth around. IMO this is how the film should end:
-Superman and Lois leave the Fortress and fly back to the apartment. They have their speech and Superman flies away. FADE TO BLACK. Then, we put back in the deleted scene of Lex Luthor escaping Jail...again. CUT TO the diner scene in which Clark beats up the trucker. The Superman theme starts to play and we have a smooth cut to Superman flying to the White House and apologizing to the President. Then...THE END.[/quote]

 

[ReeveFan1978]

I agree with what you said. Superman II Lester version is a great film. It has flaws but what film doesnt have a few?

The Donner cut is a great gift to use diehard fans but I suspect any one less than a diehard would not like it as much as lesters. Simply because it is apparently pieced together. The scenes seem edited obviously in some points.., as has been said here, the 2 dont mix.
Taking out the "Would you care to step outside?" line for instance. Why? Why not go with that? It was wonderful. PLUS if Superman turned back time, hey, the diner scene never happened. He wouldnt have gone after that bully.

I believe that Superman II was the good film it is because Lester was following much of Donner's story. He just changed settings and kept the dialogue(again, he had no reason except ego I think). When left on his own, you get a comedy like Superman 3. lester is a great director, His 2 Beatle films prove that. But Donner had the right Superman vision.

Anyway Im ramvling..Hope you get the point. LOL

EL

Once a girl's seen Superman in action, Niagara Falls kinda leaves you cold.





Lester may not have been the best man for the job. That's something Superman III proves. But, he did do a pretty good job with Superman II. You can't say his Superman II is bad because it isn't. It's inferior...no question about it but it's still a really good movie. And, his version included some awesome stuff like the "step outside" line and his apology to the president. All that should have been included in Donner's cut.[/quote]

 

[Catman]

Id add the elevator scene with jimmy and Clark and that bully THEN go back to the diner.

Cool.

Now, where's Kevin? That bastard better start working on our version of Superman II.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

Yeah, Kev. I've known you for almost 5 years now and this is the first I hear of you making videos. I wanna see your stuff.

My Batman Returns trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7RxTGHNGOo


My Batman movies trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc_5pKmFjU0

 

[Kevin Roegele]

How on Earth do you get the playback to work properly during the edit? I have 768MB of RAM on my PC, and the d@mn program stalls on me during playback!

It stalls on occasion depending on how big your movie is. Sometimes it's better to split a big project up into different files, then put them together at the end. With Forever, I did the credits first, then the first scene, and so on.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

Do you have the full version or the trial, and what are the system requirements for it? I'm running Windows XP, and I have an AMD 2500+ AthlonXP processor, 768MB of RAM, and 80GB hard drive...not sure if I need anything else or not. I can't seem to convert the captured VOB files to MPEG though, without the audio being scrapped during the conversion....makes no sense to me.

I have the full version.

Here's the process I use; grab the scenes you require with DVD Shrink (which is free online), convert them to MPG files, then open them in Ulead Video Studio. That way the picture quality is exactly the same as the original DVD.

 

[Moviefan2k4]

Wjat do you use to convert the VOB files?

 

[Kevin Roegele]

Dude, that's something the film has suffered since the beginning. Look at Lester's version. The Donner stuff stick out like crazy. The same can be said about Donner's version. The Lester stuff stick out like crazy.

But, there is a way to put it all together and still make a great movie out of it. I think we should help Kevin Roegle with his cut.

This is how I would do it:
1. Start with Lester's recap/opening credits. Then, end with Superman sending the missle into outer space and allowing Zod to escape.
2. Keep EVERYTHING Donner shot INCLUDING those deleted scenes. Why did they cut that stuff? Its really stupid. I think it should be put back in.
3. Put back in Lester's version of Superman's reappearence. "Care to step outside" is better than "ever heard of freedom of the press?"
4. Get rid of turning the Earth around. IMO this is how the film should end:
-Superman and Lois leave the Fortress and fly back to the apartment. They have their speech and Superman flies away. FADE TO BLACK. Then, we put back in the deleted scene of Lex Luthor escaping Jail...again. CUT TO the diner scene in which Clark beats up the trucker. The Superman theme starts to play and we have a smooth cut to Superman flying to the White House and apologizing to the President. Then...THE END.

Okay, regarding what I plan to do with my cut of Supes II...

1. Sorry, it's got to be Donner's recap. Not only does it have Brando but it also has the new baby Kal-El shots.

2. I'll use most of the Donner stuff. The screentest footage unveiling I won't use, I'll use Lester's scene in the hotel where Clark doesn't burn his hand. I also intend to use the Lois jumping out of the window scene as well as Lois jumping in the water.

3. Here's where we get really technical. I'll use Lester's version of the papers being blown around on the street, with the Superman theme, and then I'll find a shot somewhere else of Supes flying because I hate the Lester one and Donnr doesn't use one, then, "Would you care to step outside?" but then Donner has an awesome shot of Supes flying away immedietly after, so that goes in. You see how much effort it takes? It's great fun but painstaking.

4. You read my mind - almost. The Lex car escape scene is great, I intend to put that back in at the end, as does the White House scene. Aas for the Lois/Clark denouement, I haven't decided yet and I like your suggestion of just leaving it with Lois knowing but unable to do anything. Think I'll cut her, "Up, up and away line," though...


Also, if I can find it in good quality, I'll put in the, "He was just a boy!" scene where Non kills the kid. Also Ursa arm-wrestling and Zod throwing the guy thru the wall and the trick - I love that shot. Mount Rushmore and the Washington Monument will be in.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

Wjat do you use to convert the VOB files?

Just change the filenames.