World How long before someone makes their OWN version of Superman II?

[Road Warrior]

Kevin, those trailers were awesome! Good job, ol' lad.

 

[Catman]

Kev, when are you gonna edit a new version of Superman II? The public is waiting.

 

[Moviefan2k4]

Just change the filenames.

It didn't work. The "Properties under each file list it as an MPEG already, but every program displays the VOB extension. Retyping it had no effect.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

Kev, when are you gonna edit a new version of Superman II? The public is waiting.

I'm doing Batman Forever first, then I'll do Superman II. It takes ages to do these things.

 

[Catman]

I'm doing Batman Forever first, then I'll do Superman II. It takes ages to do these things.

How long have you been working on this Batman Forever version? And, how long is it gonna take you to do Superman II?

 

[Kevin Roegele]

How long have you been working on this Batman Forever version? And, how long is it gonna take you to do Superman II?

I've been doing Forever for about three weeks. Obviously when I have time. I have no idea how long Supes II will take, don't hold you breath, you might not like what I come up with anyway!

 

[Catman]

you might not like what I come up with anyway!

I see. Should be interesting anyway. Besides...WB snoops around here anyway. Maybe they'll like it and you could be the next Michael Thau.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

I see. Should be interesting anyway. Besides...WB snoops around here anyway. Maybe they'll like it and you could be the next Michael Thau.

My plan is begin with the Donner version, and add/replace with the best elements of the Lester version, and the deleted scenes.

I've come up with an idea to use both Lara and Jor-El's warnings against Supes becoming human.

 

[STC]

Kevin - I'll buy a copy when u complete S2. It sounds awesome!

 

[Majik1387]

My Batman Returns trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7RxTGHNGOo
My Batman movies trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc_5pKmFjU0

to both of them.

The first one was a little odd for the first few seconds but after that it was great.
The second one, I loved how you incoroporated every movie together, I would have used different music at then end rather than what you used because it just kind of changed what I thought you were going for.

Overall

 

[Catman]

Kevin...someone beat you to it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFbLRd2WrbQ

 

[Kevin Roegele]

Kevin - I'll buy a copy when u complete S2. It sounds awesome!

I'll make it clear now that I in no way intend to sell anything or make any money from this.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

to both of them.

The first one was a little odd for the first few seconds but after that it was great.
The second one, I loved how you incoroporated every movie together, I would have used different music at then end rather than what you used because it just kind of changed what I thought you were going for.

Overall

Thanks bud.

 

[Catman]

I'll be looking forward to your version, but I have to say that this kid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFbLRd2WrbQ) is doing a pretty good job so far.

You guys should collaborate.

 

[Road Warrior]

Kevin...someone beat you to it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFbLRd2WrbQ

That's cool.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

I'll be looking forward to your version, but I have to say that this kid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFbLRd2WrbQ) is doing a pretty good job so far.

You guys should collaborate.

It's great. But it uses the trial scene from the first movie, which to me is completely pointless. If you have to show a scene that has already been shown in the first movie, atleast show it from different angles, ala the Donner cut.

I'm actually thinking of not having the trial scene at all.

One sequence I'm definetly going to use somewhere is the alleyway Clark-to-Supeman Lester uses before Supes flies to Paris. Just fantastic. Possibly at the end where Supes goes to the White House.....hmmmm....

 

[Catman]

It's great. But it uses the trial scene from the first movie, which to me is completely pointless. If you have to show a scene that has already been shown in the first movie, atleast show it from different angles, ala the Donner cut.

You make a good point. But, I see where the kid is coming from.

 

[Binker]

How about this: no changes, live with Donner's cut

 

[Road Warrior]

How about this: no changes, live with Donner's cut

Too late. I just finished editing my ending to Superman II.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bt_4Unu_yQ

 

[Moviefan2k4]

How about this: no changes, live with Donner's cut

Well, I can't speak for anyone else, but my main reason for doing a recut of "Superman II" is curiosity. I want to see how the scenes I've selected from both versions will play alongside each other. The other reason is also simple: Donner was never given a proper oppritunity to finish the film, and a lot of the scenes in Lester's version are duplicates of Donner's, but they look more polished. If I can blend the finished look with the exclusive Donner footage (like Brando's role, the Krypton Trial reprise, and the new Zone escape), maybe it will work...time will tell.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

How about this: no changes, live with Donner's cut

Hey, everybody stop, Binker says no.

 

[Liquid_Mind]

Not that we have both the Donner Cut and the Lester version floating in retail stores, I'm curious to know how all of you would cut your preferred version of Superman II. When I give my opinion, its not how it should be for everyone, as we all have different tastes, but I figure its a fun thing to talk about, now that we have access to almost all the scenes filmed for Superman II

My Definitive Cut of Superman II

I'd keep the Donner Cut version of revisiting the Villains' exile since it has Brando in it, but I'd stop RIGHT AFTER they get thrown in the Phantom Zone (explained later)

I'd follow up with the Donner Cut Credit Sequence since it has John Williams Score and the better opening title than Lester's version.

After the Fade in from Earth to Metropolis, I'd have Lester's version of the Daily Planet opening and I'd keep everything from the Paris incident. I feel it was a better choice to open with an action sequence. It was exciting and worked well all things considered. Obviously if I keep the Paris scene, I have to keep the Lester version of the Villains' escape from the Phantom Zone. (Honestly I prefer that it happened with the missile from Superman I, but it gives the Paris scene a purpose)

I'd actually keep the Daily Planet Sequence with Lois and the Oranges (keeps it consistent with other scenes mentioning Freshly Squeezed orange juice). Plus I thought it was a cute scene between Clark and Lois.

Then the Donner Cut version of Lex's dialogue with Otis in Prison.

Donner version of the moon fight since it has John Williams' score, followed by the Donner version of Lex's escape from Prison.

Lester version of Niagra Falls just for continuity sake. This is where the Donner Cut was choppy since they couldn't show the interior of the suite because of the inconsistency with the screen tests used.

Donner version of Lex and the Fortress of Solitude, since its better than the Lester version and IT HAS BRANDO!

Lester version of Superman saving the kid since I liked how the score flowed with that scene.

Lester version with Lois throwing herself in the water. I prefer this because its a lot more believable than someone jumping 30 stories. Though she could die in both cases, Lois has a lot higher a survival rate jumping in the water at a much closer distance than jumping out a building. Plus I love the comedy gold of Superman being forced to stay in Clark mode.

Lester version of Superman's reveal to Lois. This just works better since it was actually shot. The screen tests as nice as they are, are too distracting due to the wardrobe inconsistencies. Plus I think the Lester version is a lot more tender which works better for this scene, and it explains why they leave Niagra Falls.

Lester version of the Villains first landing on Earth, only I'd skip out on Non's comedy (like the Donner cut). I'm not so crazy for the bumbling cops, but for pacing sake, I'd need to keep them.

Donner version of Superman stripping his own powers stay. Brando is in it and we feel a greater sense of doom by Superman's choice. I stick with this cut.

Donner version of the Villains' invasion of the White House. Like everyone else said, Smiling Zod rules.

Donner version of Clark vs Truck Driver just for the sole fact that Clark says "HE knew, I heard HIM, I just didn't listen."

Donner version of Superman regaining his powers for obvious reasons.

Donner version of the Metropolis Battle, except I'd insert the "Would you care to step outside" line instead.

I'm kinda torn on which I would keep for the final showdown between Superman and Zod at the Fortress. On one hand I think its more climactic to have them battle it out first (minus the S being thrown at Non), but then again, I love how the Donner version was done.

After the Fortress showdown, I'd insert the deleted scene from the Donner cut w/ Lex being taken away by Arctic Patrol. I liked the fact that it showed what really happened to the villains (Superman doesn't believe in killing in my eyes) and I liked the exchange between Luthor and Superman, only to follow it directly with Donner's version of dropping off Lois at her apartment. (Yes, I wouldn't keep the destruction of the fortress)

Sorry guys, but I'm gonna keep the Lester Super Kiss scene, because I totally dislike the turnin back time thing. Its a huge copout. At least with the Super Kiss, while ridiculous, it still doesn't undo all the previous events. I guess from here I'd end it with the Lester version.

And there you have it! My Definitive Version of Superman II. How would you guys do it?

 

[Comic Book Boy]

Donner's cut is the only definitive version. Accept no substitutes.

 

[Catman]

Not that we have both the Donner Cut and the Lester version floating in retail stores, I'm curious to know how all of you would cut your preferred version of Superman II. When I give my opinion, its not how it should be for everyone, as we all have different tastes, but I figure its a fun thing to talk about, now that we have access to almost all the scenes filmed for Superman II

My Definitive Cut of Superman II

I'd keep the Donner Cut version of revisiting the Villains' exile since it has Brando in it, but I'd stop RIGHT AFTER they get thrown in the Phantom Zone (explained later)

I'd follow up with the Donner Cut Credit Sequence since it has John Williams Score and the better opening title than Lester's version.

After the Fade in from Earth to Metropolis, I'd have Lester's version of the Daily Planet opening and I'd keep everything from the Paris incident. I feel it was a better choice to open with an action sequence. It was exciting and worked well all things considered. Obviously if I keep the Paris scene, I have to keep the Lester version of the Villains' escape from the Phantom Zone. (Honestly I prefer that it happened with the missile from Superman I, but it gives the Paris scene a purpose)

I'd actually keep the Daily Planet Sequence with Lois and the Oranges (keeps it consistent with other scenes mentioning Freshly Squeezed orange juice). Plus I thought it was a cute scene between Clark and Lois.

Then the Donner Cut version of Lex's dialogue with Otis in Prison.

Donner version of the moon fight since it has John Williams' score, followed by the Donner version of Lex's escape from Prison.

Lester version of Niagra Falls just for continuity sake. This is where the Donner Cut was choppy since they couldn't show the interior of the suite because of the inconsistency with the screen tests used.

Donner version of Lex and the Fortress of Solitude, since its better than the Lester version and IT HAS BRANDO!

Lester version of Superman saving the kid since I liked how the score flowed with that scene.

Lester version with Lois throwing herself in the water. I prefer this because its a lot more believable than someone jumping 30 stories. Though she could die in both cases, Lois has a lot higher a survival rate jumping in the water at a much closer distance than jumping out a building. Plus I love the comedy gold of Superman being forced to stay in Clark mode.

Lester version of Superman's reveal to Lois. This just works better since it was actually shot. The screen tests as nice as they are, are too distracting due to the wardrobe inconsistencies. Plus I think the Lester version is a lot more tender which works better for this scene, and it explains why they leave Niagra Falls.

Lester version of the Villains first landing on Earth, only I'd skip out on Non's comedy (like the Donner cut). I'm not so crazy for the bumbling cops, but for pacing sake, I'd need to keep them.

Donner version of Superman stripping his own powers stay. Brando is in it and we feel a greater sense of doom by Superman's choice. I stick with this cut.

Donner version of the Villains' invasion of the White House. Like everyone else said, Smiling Zod rules.

Donner version of Clark vs Truck Driver just for the sole fact that Clark says "HE knew, I heard HIM, I just didn't listen."

Donner version of Superman regaining his powers for obvious reasons.

Donner version of the Metropolis Battle, except I'd insert the "Would you care to step outside" line instead.

I'm kinda torn on which I would keep for the final showdown between Superman and Zod at the Fortress. On one hand I think its more climactic to have them battle it out first (minus the S being thrown at Non), but then again, I love how the Donner version was done.

After the Fortress showdown, I'd insert the deleted scene from the Donner cut w/ Lex being taken away by Arctic Patrol. I liked the fact that it showed what really happened to the villains (Superman doesn't believe in killing in my eyes) and I liked the exchange between Luthor and Superman, only to follow it directly with Donner's version of dropping off Lois at her apartment. (Yes, I wouldn't keep the destruction of the fortress)

Sorry guys, but I'm gonna keep the Lester Super Kiss scene, because I totally dislike the turnin back time thing. Its a huge copout. At least with the Super Kiss, while ridiculous, it still doesn't undo all the previous events. I guess from here I'd end it with the Lester version.

And there you have it! My Definitive Version of Superman II. How would you guys do it?

Kevin will show you the light!

 

[Cannibal Feast]

Dude, that's something the film has suffered since the beginning. Look at Lester's version. The Donner stuff stick out like crazy. The same can be said about Donner's version. The Lester stuff stick out like crazy.

But, there is a way to put it all together and still make a great movie out of it. I think we should help Kevin Roegle with his cut.

This is how I would do it:
1. Start with Lester's recap/opening credits. Then, end with Superman sending the missle into outer space and allowing Zod to escape.
2. Keep EVERYTHING Donner shot INCLUDING those deleted scenes. Why did they cut that stuff? Its really stupid. I think it should be put back in.
3. Put back in Lester's version of Superman's reappearence. "Care to step outside" is better than "ever heard of freedom of the press?"
4. Get rid of turning the Earth around. IMO this is how the film should end:
-Superman and Lois leave the Fortress and fly back to the apartment. They have their speech and Superman flies away. FADE TO BLACK. Then, we put back in the deleted scene of Lex Luthor escaping Jail...again. CUT TO the diner scene in which Clark beats up the trucker. The Superman theme starts to play and we have a smooth cut to Superman flying to the White House and apologizing to the President. Then...THE END.

I agree with this. Just leave it at that. Lois doesn't need to forget. He trusts her. It would be a much more powerful ending to know that they are both heartbroken but he still trusts her with his secret.