How many of you are actually going to vote this November?

[AllThingsComic]

I'm actually debating, and I can't believe I am saying that as it will be the first time since I became of age that I did not.

I immensely dislike both Obama and McCain. None of the third party candidates have piqued my interest and Michael Bloomberg isn't running. I also dislike both Jason Altimire (hypocrite) and Melissa Hart, so I don't know who to vote for in my districts's Congressional election. I may just stay home. I may just write in my own name. Who knows?

Sweet Lord tell me your kidding?? Thank goodness this guy isn't running! Since taking over as mayor of my fine city crime has gone up, the middle class are leaving in droves, the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. The guy is an a-hole, He said police officer Zardoga was not a hero, even though he died from countless hours down at ground zero. I would never want him as president, ever. I would take Bill Clinton for another 4 years first, and I hated him!

 

[DACrowe]

If you are able to vote and do not do so, you squander your right as an American and are a fool.

And don't use the "I work" BS excuse. Not when there is early voting every weekened, three weeks before the election.

 

[Prison Mike]

I'm undecided. I don't like any of the candidates at the moment and don't want to waste my vote on someone I don't believe in. My feelings could change, however, between now and November.

 

[kainedamo]

If you are able to vote and do not do so, you squander your right as an American and are a fool.

And don't use the "I work" BS excuse. Not when there is early voting every weekened, three weeks before the election.

If a person genuinely believes none of the canditates are good, then they have every right not to vote.

 

[Darthphere]

If a person genuinely believes none of the canditates are good, then they have every right not to vote.

Yeah, I really don't see the logic of going and voting for a "lesser of two evils". I mean, between McCain and Obama, if I go to vote I'll just be going with the mindset of "Who do I think will **** up the country less." Not really the best way to go into the voting booth.

Either way, I'll be voting, mostly due to the local elections but as far as the presidential election goes, I may just vote Nader at this point.

 

[Marx]

Not really. Obama is definately a liberal, there's no mistake about it.

Rated the most liberal member of the Senate. Yep, that's pretty liberal.

There is definately no hiding the fact that he is the most liberal member of the Senate, despite what he tries to claim. What I am saying though is that he is trying, if not harder than Kerry, to appeal to everyone.

 

[Zen]

One that doesn't suck.

Elaborate Mofugga... so far your reasoning is 100% subjective.

gimme some meat man, something that will explain your disdain.

what views do the candidates hold that are not in league with your own...

are you putting a huge weight on experience?

gimme something besides disdain.

 

[Zen]

Because the Conservatives have done so great over the last eight years right? Saying that a Gore or Kerry administration would have been worse is laughable.

Hey, i dont disagree with you here... as a commie pinko liberal i have a similar position to you on this, but i was just explaining how conservatives looked at it, because thats how they do see it... that kerry and Gore would have done far worse. its hard to argue the point though because we will never know... gore or kerry could have gotten locked up in something horrible to, and made bad decisions... i wont deny the possibility, but concerning my political agenda kerry and gore would have almost certainly done better than bush has... concerning republican or conservative agendas right leaning folk will often use my same logic and say bush was better than whatever gore or kerry would have done.

its a shame we cant have some window into a parrallel universe to check this **** out, cause the arguments over the possibilities of what might have been go on forever... and now, certain groups supporting hillary will cry hindsight on Obama, we could use a parrallel window for that as well.

Here's a better question: If you are not actually going to vote this November, then why are you wasting your and our time in this forum? If you're not going to cast your vote, then save the discussion for the people who are. If you don't vote, you can't ***** or revel in your joy on Inauguration Day. If you did nothing to put that person in the presidency or to prevent them from getting there, you don't have a leg to stand on. No vote = no voice, as far as I'm concerned.

It's amazing how often (I work in the service industry) I hear people complain about President Bush. I generally say, "So I guess you voted for Kerry in 04."

The response is often, "Well, I didn't vote."

"Then ****."

QFT.

thats "quoted for truth" to all you who are not lame enough to know that.


look, im all for free speech. but if your house is burning down and your complaining to me that you set the fire and now your house is burning down then im sorry about your existence as a goddamn fool. cry on and on... if lyou dont vote after all that hot air, your integrity suffers a little.

If you come on these forums and you have alot to say but then don't get out there and drop the hammer then your a waste of our time. the long time spent debating with you was for nothing reguardless of whether or not you changed your mind, or disseminated knowledge based off what you got from here... you set the example of whats wrong with this country.

me and tron agree on few things, this is one of them.

Boycotting the election means you write in Cthulu, homer simpson, undecided, all the candidates suck, or none of the above. not showing up is like refusing to call the fire department.

 

[amazingfantasy15]

QFT.

thats "quoted for truth" to all you who are not lame enough to know that.

look, im all for free speech. but if your house is burning down and your complaining to me that you set the fire and now your house is burning down then im sorry about your existence as a goddamn fool. cry on and on... if lyou dont vote after all that hot air, your integrity suffers a little.

If you come on these forums and you have alot to say but then don't get out there and drop the hammer then your a waste of our time. the long time spent debating with you was for nothing reguardless of whether or not you changed your mind, or disseminated knowledge based off what you got from here... you set the example of whats wrong with this country.

me and tron agree on few things, this is one of them.

Boycotting the election means you write in Cthulu, homer simpson, undecided, all the candidates suck, or none of the above. not showing up is like refusing to call the fire department.

I 100% disagree with this. Why even show up if all you're doing is writing in Homer Simpson, you're essentially not voting if you do that. Oh, but you showed up at a polling place to not vote, so it's different. I've voted in the past two elections for a third, fourth or fifth party candidate because I didn't think the major candidates deserved a vote and felt stupid for doing so. In 2000, my dad went to the polling place while driving me home from work and told me I needed to vote, so I voted for someone I never heard of. In 2004, my office opened late so everyone could vote before work, so I voted again, for someone I never heard of. I'm registered to vote this year and think Obama can do a good job, so right now I'll probably finally vote for someone I think deserves the job.

As long as you're not voting because you don't like either candidate and not out of pure apathy, I think it's a perfectly reasonable choice and you are entitled to voice your displeasure if you have some. You wanted a better candidate, so you decided voice that opinion by not voting.

Also, I live in Illinois, so my vote essentially doesn't count anyway, the Democrat will always win this state, especially if a Daley's in office, the dead will rise if needed to make sure of it.

 

[Marx]

Hey, i dont disagree with you here... as a commie pinko liberal i have a similar position to you on this, but i was just explaining how conservatives looked at it, because thats how they do see it... that kerry and Gore would have done far worse. its hard to argue the point though because we will never know... gore or kerry could have gotten locked up in something horrible to, and made bad decisions... i wont deny the possibility, but concerning my political agenda kerry and gore would have almost certainly done better than bush has... concerning republican or conservative agendas right leaning folk will often use my same logic and say bush was better than whatever gore or kerry would have done.

its a shame we cant have some window into a parrallel universe to check this **** out, cause the arguments over the possibilities of what might have been go on forever... and now, certain groups supporting hillary will cry hindsight on Obama, we could use a parrallel window for that as well.

I think a parallel universe window would be great! I just believe that Gore would have handled things the way they needed to be handled. He wouldn't have dealt with the overwhelming support of the world following 9/11 with arrogance and a "go it alone" cowboy attitude. He would have embraced it and truly formed a global alliance. Like the one we could have had had Bush not shattered it.

On a side note, I loved the "parallel universe" skit that Gore did on SNL!

 

[Zen]

I 100% disagree with this. Why even show up if all you're doing is writing in Homer Simpson, you're essentially not voting if you do that. Oh, but you showed up at a polling place to not vote, so it's different. I've voted in the past two elections for a third, fourth or fifth party candidate because I didn't think the major candidates deserved a vote and felt stupid for doing so. In 2000, my dad went to the polling place while driving me home from work and told me I needed to vote, so I voted for someone I never heard of. In 2004, my office opened late so everyone could vote before work, so I voted again, for someone I never heard of. I'm registered to vote this year and think Obama can do a good job, so right now I'll probably finally vote for someone I think deserves the job.

As long as you're not voting because you don't like either candidate and not out of pure apathy, I think it's a perfectly reasonable choice and you are entitled to voice your displeasure if you have some. You wanted a better candidate, so you decided voice that opinion by not voting.

Also, I live in Illinois, so my vote essentially doesn't count anyway, the Democrat will always win this state, especially if a Daley's in office, the dead will rise if needed to make sure of it.

firstly there are local elections people should be showing up for reguardless unless your some kind of unsatisfyable person who has set the bar so high that nobody fits the bill and you would be writing in undecided for everyone.

i see your point but i think you missed mine. by showing up and voting for someone else or putting "undecided" your voice is being heard, and at a much higher amplitude than coming here and complaining. if 10% of the vote was for "neither" or undecided... that would trully say something. instead staying home and not voting is like getting into a more accessible position for your rapist to enter you. you lose power by staying home, thats how the electoral process works, by not voicing your opinion... those that do will beat you everytime.

and your vote does matter in illinois... its the way that it is because people F*7king vote... because they dont get apathetic about how the state is regularly democratic, they dont say to themselves hey... someone else will vote democratic so i dont have to... no, because eventually republicans would catch up. and every republican that doesnt vote because they think its hopeless, only strengthens the strangle hold the democrats have on that area... centered, bi-partisan legislation is less likely to get passed the more people give up and stay home.

and the ultimate point is, if you have a problem with the way things are and then refuse to vote... and do not make yourself heard somehow, then your exercise in futility and naivete is your own prison, and its frustrating to get sucked into it along with you ("you" in these cases is referring to those who complain and dont vvote)


how is boycotting prosperus at all? at least those who put undecided or whatever had a voice, and people can notice that people were unsatisfied... those that stay home however have no power at all, no voice at all... and then they go and complain about how its all going down.

at that point i tell them to go ahead and put the cherry on the sunday by not leaving their house the next time they set it on fire and want to complain about how its burning.

 

[Zen]

On a side note, I loved the "parallel universe" skit that Gore did on SNL!

i missed that, what was it?

 

[Marx]

i missed that, what was it?

It was a "parallel universe" skit in which Gore was giving a "State of the Union" speech. I'll PM you the link.

 

[Tron5000]

Freedom of Speech?

I didn't say "what gives you the right" to speak here. I was asking why someone would even waste their time discussing politics if they do not even plan to vote. If you don't plan to do anything about it, then just ****.

 

[Tron5000]

Yeah. Dude takes a stance.

And his stance is straight down the farthest left side of the party line. Yeah, what a guy. Really putting himself out there.

 

[Hobgoblin]

Definitely voting. This election has been far too interesting to not take part.

 

[Downhere]

I don't think I will be voting. I don't like Obama or McCain. They both are just horrible candidates and I'm pretty "eh" about this whole thing. *sighs*

 

[Tron5000]

I don't think I will be voting. I don't like Obama or McCain. They both are just horrible candidates and I'm pretty "eh" about this whole thing. *sighs*

Just remember: if you don't vote, it is hard to have credibility when you complain about the President. If you did nothing to either aid or prevent that person in their quest for the Oval Office, it's not cool to either express your disgust or revel in your joy at the President. Speaking of personal philosophy, of course.

 

[Darthphere]

I didn't say "what gives you the right" to speak here. I was asking why someone would even waste their time discussing politics if they do not even plan to vote. If you don't plan to do anything about it, then just ****.

Again, freedom of speech. It gives me the right to do nothing, and talk massive amounts of **** about it later. No one, including you is going to take that away from me or anyone else. I can discuss politics because I have a brain. This brain, interprets things. It then sends an electrical signal to my fingers, where I can display what my brain just interpreted. My brain also suggested something. It suggested you get off your ****ing high horse.

 

[Darthphere]

Just remember: if you don't vote, it is hard to have credibility when you complain about the President. If you did nothing to either aid or prevent that person in their quest for the Oval Office, it's not cool to either express your disgust or revel in your joy at the President. Speaking of personal philosophy, of course.

Personally, I think you should keep your personal philosophy as just that, personal. Because however personal you may think it is, you're throwing it out here as gospel.

And who revels in joy at a President? Seriously, when it comes down to it, if I hate both candidates and don't vote and either one does a horrible job anyway, well I can go "Yeah both candidates suck, that's why I didn't vote." and if they become the greatest thing since sliced bread well I can just go "Well, looks like I was wrong about at least one of those candidates." and continue to be middle class working stiff at a 9-5 job with no future.

 

[Tron5000]

Personally, I think you should keep your personal philosophy as just that, personal. Because however personal you may think it is, you're throwing it out here as gospel.

And who revels in joy at a President? Seriously, when it comes down to it, if I hate both candidates and don't vote and either one does a horrible job anyway, well I can go "Yeah both candidates suck, that's why I didn't vote." and if they become the greatest thing since sliced bread well I can just go "Well, looks like I was wrong about at least one of those candidates." and continue to be middle class working stiff at a 9-5 job with no future.

Like I said, it was a personal philosophy. The fact that I referred to it as such shows that I in now way consider it to be "gospel." Sorry if that did not come across as intended.

It is my personal philosophy that every (non-felon) American citizen 18 and over has the privelege of voting for the highest office in the land. If you choose not to exercise that privelege, then I find it difficult to take seriously those who complain about the situation. Great, you're upset. Well, guess what? You had your chance to do something about it, and you chose to abstain. Should've done something when you had the chance.

Personal philosophy, of course.

 

[DACrowe]

If a person genuinely believes none of the canditates are good, then they have every right not to vote.

Oh because I suppose the only person running in your district is the President of the United States. No referendums, senators, state senators, congressman (who run every two years), city council who affect your day-to-day life far more than any fed, governors or anyone else will be running for you voice in this operating Republic.

 

[kainedamo]

Oh because I suppose the only person running in your district is the President of the United States. No referendums, senators, state senators, congressman (who run every two years), city council who affect your day-to-day life far more than any fed, governors or anyone else will be running for you voice in this operating Republic.

So... we put guns to peoples heads and yell "YOU HAVE TO VOTE!!! "

 

[obsidiana]

I don't plan on voting. Everytime I do the person I vote for always loses wait.....dammit then I should have voted for Bush lol! Just kidding anyway I won't be, there is something about Obama I just don't like I don't know what it is though.

 

[DACrowe]

So... we put guns to peoples heads and yell "YOU HAVE TO VOTE!!! "

No. Just pity those who throw away their amazing right to do so.