How would you build up to the Avengers? Spoilers for Iron Man included

I am just saying for bugetary reasons... it would be easier producing Avengers off the bat rather than doing an entire WW2 set piece and then Avengers.

...I can actually see that working. :up: Cap's career in the modern world did start in the Avengers after all so his movie series might as well too. Plus it saves a lot of the WWII mysteries for later in flashbacks in his own movies (much like Brubaker did with the comic book series).
 
I would sooner Captain America have a WW2 opening and then have the film set in modern day....do a Neo Nazi thing...you can have a good story in which Cap sacrificed so much in the war and 40 years later "Nazis" still exist....

That does sound good too. Maybe even led by the Red Skull back from the grave.
 
Like it too, but I really would have liked to start the Avengers film off by essentially 'finding their leader'... Say this in a whiney voice :cwink:

Either way, would I be far off thinking that Thor is dismissive and arrogant towards Man. Because my idea is for Captain America being a major factor in Thor's decision to join the Avengers. As in he's the first human Thor respects (and follows). Seriously, if we've watched a Thor film done well and we see what a huge character he is, we'll know how great CA is if Thor will follow him...

That would be part of my overall plan....
 
Pretty much all Asgardians are dismissive and arrogant towards man at first so yeah it would make for a nice arc. Plus it's why Thor is exiled in the first place to a mortal form. He was pretty much arrogant towards everybody. Asgardians included.
 
cap needs his own movie first.. ww2 preferably. without it it's pretty hard to feel for the character. It's alot easier to feel for someone when you watch them wake up in a different time (physically losing pretty much everything) then it is to just introduce "some guy" your just getting to know while dealing with him waking up in a new time where you really dont feel the emotion cuz your just starting to get to know him
 
Cap needs the film to be mainly in the present day.

Captain America's character is so great because despite all the fighting he did in WWII, evil didn't die. And now, half a century later, things are even worse and he continues his fight.
 
Cap needs the film to be mainly in the present day.

Captain America's character is so great because despite all the fighting he did in WWII, evil didn't die. And now, half a century later, things are even worse and he continues his fight.

you need to see the transition of that though for a good movie. you can't feel for a character and make it emotional unless you can understand or see what they've been through. the movie starting out in present day makes sound like a bad sci-fi channel film
 
So here's my new effort (again, wishing that I had the odd billion dollars to do this whole business my way

First movie out; Iron Man 2
Main plot is essentially IM and WM up against The Mandarin and his cult/terrorist group. Part of the plot is the failure of Stark Ind. to find alternate revenue (continuing Stark's ending of weapons supply in IM), and attributing to his developing alcoholism.

Back story, Stark is spending millions on another large arc reactor to sell the 'power' to the public. Ending of the movie is basically the reactor test is a success, and we end zooming into the machine until you get to the heart of it. Small rough-shaped piece of metal, that is self-generating electricity (see where I'm going here?). The reactor makes a pulsing sound, fade to back, cue credits.

After credits, fade in looking from above the reactor (again hearing the pulse) and zoom out (POV always down to earth) through the roof (seeing helipad and "Stark Industries" signage on the roof. Continue all the way into space. Eventually a cliff-face enters from foreground, and you see a man, silhouetted by the earth, standing looking at earth. As he's in silhouette, you can't see features, but the helmet and hammer are obvious to fans. And that's the entire involvement of Thor in IM2. No dialogue, nothing more than 10sec in view.

(alt: have him standing on a cliff overlooking the building, i.e. he’s already on earth).

Next movie; Thor
Firstly, I would have the promo posters the same as the last scene of IM2. Links the Thor film to the Marvel franchise, for those non-Thor fans.
Don't know what the current script is about, but my Thor would again be in Viking times. Have him banished to earth by Odin, and somehow (this is why writers get paid) have him have to undertake a journey to north america (this sits nicely with current historical belief that the americas was visited by vikings long before Columbus).

He either finds his hammer along the way or at his destination. He fights an iconic demon (Surtur) who manages, with the first/last (whatever) blow, to shear a piece of Thor's hammer off (you should know where I'm going with this now).

Anyway, he wins (of course) and is teleported back to asgard (maybe even end the film with a similar image from IM2.

Cue to the piece of hammer, time-lapse photography to show the passing of time, (zooming into shard of metal) until you see full screen of shard encased in rock. Zoom out and you see the rock (small brick sized) on a lab table, with a scientist chipping away at the surrounding rock. Zoom out through building and out the roof, and you see it's the same Stark Ind. building as the end of IM2.



There you go. Thor introduced in IM2, without actually affecting the IM2 movie at all really.

Also, this is not the same as FF2’s Silver Surfer, Thor does not lose his powers. It's like your electricity provider will notice that a new neighbourhood is plugged into their network, but it won't suddenly make them powerless.

But they would do something about it, and so will Thor. Actually, if you think about it, maybe it could weaken Thor to the extent that he doesn't overshadow (overpower?) the other Avengers...

Longwinded, but I worked nightshift and had plenty of spare time
 
(this has spoilers for Iron Man 1 and TIH)

Iron Man 1: SHIELD. There was talk of "The Avengers Initiative"

TIH: "Super-Serum" and Stark meeting Ross. Maybe SHIELD too, I don't know whether SHIELD is in it or not (anyone who has seen the script spoilers, let me know)

Iron Man 2: With Tony Stark's identity public, he is under constant pressure. He has been brow-beaten by Nick Fury to help him form "The Avengers", an initiative to create a government-subsidized Superhero team (subsidized, not run. I don't think the "US Government Superteam" angle would run good in theaters). The constant pressures of meetings to form the team, trying to run Stark Industries, being Iron Man and Pepper Potts' engagement to Happy Hogan cause Tony to turn to the Bottle to solve his troubles. Tony tries to get rid of the "identity public" problem by getting Rhodey into the Iron Man suit and having them seen together. It fails badly. When the Mandarin kidnaps Happy and Pepper, however, Tony must sober up, build a new suit and ask Rhodey for some help to go to Afghanistan and rescue them.

After the credits, we'd see Iron Man flying over the North Sea talking to Fury. He'd be saying things to Fury like "I still don't believe you, and I'm still half-drunk." He would land in Norway, look around, tell Fury that he was wrong, then hear a voice: "Tony Stark, for what purpose wouldst thou summon the son of Odin?" Iron Man would turn, see Thor, then do one of those great RDJ quips to Fury.

THOR: Probably nothing, but maybe it would end with the above scene from Thor's point of view.

Captain America: WWII period. Would end with Captain America and Bucky (who wouldn't be a kid sidekick, just a younger buddy who is a top Army Ranger) receiving their next mission: The Red Skull and Baron Zemo are preparing to launch a jet bomber towards New York, and it's their job to stop them.

Avengers: Would start pre-title with Cap, Bucky and Red Skull getting frozen after Zemo blows up the bomber with all three on it. Then there would be a "time marches on" montage of the events leading to the current movie, showing historical events (A-bomb, Man on the Moon, 9-11, etc.) and events from Marvel Movies. The first act of the movie would be the Avengers chasing down the Hulk. After the battle they'd get word that a vessel in the Arctic studying the effects of Global Warming had found Cap.
 
So I take it that from watching the bonus scene after the IM credits, the Avengers movie will most likely be based more off The Ultimates than the original Avengers; I mean besides the fact that Jackson's playing Nick Fury.
 
Ultimates volume one is the easiest to adapt. Its just that the villains are beyond lame in those issues... to me at least. I really don't know where they go after the Hulk battle... assuming we even get that.
 
So I take it that from watching the bonus scene after the IM credits, the Avengers movie will most likely be based more off The Ultimates than the original Avengers; I mean besides the fact that Jackson's playing Nick Fury.

Not really. Iron Man and Hulk are already pretty closely related to the regular characters and word is Thor is taking place totally in Asgard so I don't think there will be any doubt that Thor is a god.

I like the Ultimates and all but the only thing I think they're really using is the way that the heroes were brought together and maybe the Hulk threat for a part of the movie (maybe one action sequence). Otherwise I think they're sticking pretty close to the regular comics (which is great to me. I want my Cap with wings and buccaneer boots. :p).
 
Am I the only guy here excited about Ant-man next summer? You get both Hank Pym and Scott Lang and possible Janet Pym too and it's the Shaun of the Dead guys. It's gonna be friggin' great.

Each movie is going to be almost in completely different genres. Ant-man will be a comedy, Captain America a period piece, and Thor all out fantasy. Iron Man's already the summer blockbuster and The Incredible Hulk looks like it'll be pretty serious stuff.

I agree Ant-Man sounds like its gonna be fun. It will be a great introduction for Scott Lang, Hank and Janet Pym. Perhaps even some cameos from Bill Foster or Hawkeye. Plus its gonna be intresting to see a superhero who change size and comunicate with insects
 
I think for the Avengers movie, the initial threat they should have to face should be the masters of evil.
Then they can bring back the already established villains from the past few movies. Madarain- from IM2 or even just emerging for the first time as a reaction to Tony's destruction of the Ten Rings group in IM1, Ultron- if he really is going to be in the Ant Man movie, Loki- from Thor and then bring in Winter Soldier- the young sidekick Cap thought he had lost so many years before in his first film.
And the story could revolve around Baron Zemo brining all of these villains together to complete some neafrious plot that SHEILD is unequipped to deal with. They put the Avnegers initiative into action and after the team of young upstarts has their asses handed to them a time or two, they finally pull it together by the end and kick some supervillain booty.
 

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