How would you do Marvel "One Year Later"?

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  1. The Batman The Dark Knight

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    As you know, DC jumping their books ahead a year after "Infinite Crisis". With Civil War promising to change the landscape of Marvel, how would you jump the MU ahead a year later? Which heroes would be dead? Which new heroes would arise? Which new X-Men, Avenger, FF, etc. rosters would there be? Discuss
     
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  3. roach I am the night

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    Marvel OYL....by Roach
    The Avengers would be aligned exactly the way I described in the Avengers rosters thread.
    The X-men would be treated just like the Black Panthers. The government would be doing everything in it's power to take them down with a few prominent Xmen in prison. The X-men would be on the run and not have the mansion or blackbird.
    The Fantastic Four will be stranded several billion dimensions from earth and would be trying to get home. They would be a sort of cosmic Swiss Family Robinson.
    Daredevil...Matt Murdoch would be disbarred in NY and have to set up shop in Chicago. He would become the guardian devil of Chi-town. We'd see him struggle to pass the Chicago Bar.
    Captain America would now be an agent of the Homeland Security and tackle terrorism and terrorist based villains.
    Iron Man would actually showcase the life of a man that is technologically beyound everyone else. The guy created the IM armor do you really think he'd drive a regular car???? His villains would get a upgraded.
    Spiderman would have a lot more help since he is the only hero for NY now. That help would come in the form of someone wearing the black Spiderman suit(not Venom), The Scarlet Spiderman suit and The Iron Spidey suit. Peter in his classic suit would try to solve the mystery of who is swinging around the city dressed like him.
    Dr. Strange is dead and the new Sorceror Supreme is Adam Warlock. No one knows what really happened.
    Submariner would get his own book again as terrorists attack his city. He declares war and goes after the terrorists to the concerns of the world.

    I could go more indepth if anyone wants to know.
     
  4. BlackSymbiote Registered

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    Roach, I like the Daredevil, Iron Man, and Spider-Man ideas. Those would kick all sorts of ass, especially if the three mystery Spider-Men turned out to be the surviving members of the Slingers.

    However the FF one sounds a like Exiles.
     
  5. roach I am the night

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    Thanx.
    The mystery Spidermen are deeper than that and they arent clones.
    The FF would be more like SFR as they arent dimensional hopping but making the best of where they are while fighting back restless and murderous aliens and trying to get back home. They wont be dimensional hopping.


    More...The Hulk comes back from Planet Hulk extremely mad. He declares war on humanity. Lots of military vs Hulk fighting.
     
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    Aside from the DD one (i think he is intrinsic to the kitchen) Those idea's sound really, really good. Genuinely mean that cos most of the time i go into a thread like this for a cheap laugh.
     
  7. roach I am the night

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    Thanx...while I do believe DD belongs in Hells Kitchen I wanted to start spreading the Superhero wealth. What makes the DD story compelling form me is that we put him in a city that hasnt dealt with superheroes like NY. How would Chicago act to a costumed vigilante now operating in their city???? What if they go after him like he is a criminal????
    Now Matt doesnt have his people to fall back on. He is a fish out of water. What people would he go to for help?????
    How would the criminal element react to DD????
    Criminals in NY fold when they see him how would they react to a costumed vigilante. What new villains would come out the woodwork to eleminate DD
     
  8. rjb182 Jedi Gnat

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    Hmm... off the top of my head...

    What if, in the aftermath of the Civil War, most super-powered heroes closed up shop? The Avengers and FF are gone, and the X-Men operate sort of like they did in the Australian Outback days-- quietly helping although the world thinks they're dead.

    In fact, they've split into two factions-- an international team acting as outlaw Robin Hoods, led by more idealistic characters like Cyclops and Nightcrawler (and associated with Storm and BP in Wakanda), and a team comprised of the more pragmatic/ambiguous members like Wolverine and Emma Frost, who are now double agents-- working covertly with the government and theoretically hunting down their fellows, but actually doing what they can to fight the system on its own terms.

    The country is, meanwhile, in bad shape. Villains are running wild, with petty criminals picking up in their wake and making life suck for everybody. Possibly America has even been destabilized by all this, with some nasty supervillain figure manipulating her to strike out at the rest of the world, thus letting everybody share the joy. The nation stands on the brink of war.

    Tony Stark leads the remaining heroes, working for the government to organize the few super-powered folks who ended up registered-- but it's too much for them to handle, and a worn-down Tony is beginning to wonder just what sort of devil's deal he made here.

    New York is practically in ruins. Daredevil is a wanted fugitive and Spider-Man, feeling responsible for all this, he's given up battling street-level crime and is trying to tackle the really big threats that the Avengers and F.F. ought to be dealing with. He's traveling all around and getting his butt kicked a lot, because it's too big a job for him alone. The Daily Bugle runs a headline: "COME BACK, SPIDEY-- ALL IS FORGIVEN."

    The Hulk has reappeared and seems to be randomly smashing things, but what he's actually doing is going after the members of the Illuminati who betrayed him-- this will eventually lead to the return of Thor, one of the few heroes who can hope to stand up to an enraged Hulkster.

    She-Hulk has gone into politics to fight the corruption taking over, and is secretly in contact with Reed Richards, who has retreated from the world in the hopes of marshaling his resources and his incredible intellect to figure a way out of all this.

    A budding movement of people following Cap's idealistic vision of the USA is pretty much the only force for peace, but when Yet Another Super-Threat strikes one of their rallies, killing thousands of peaceful protestors, Stark sees only one option-- turning against his government watchdogs and infiltrating their highest-security facility to liberate and restore to active duty the man he swore as an enemy only one year ago: Steve Rogers, the disgraced and imprisoned Captain America.

    Huh. *looks back on what he wrote* Might work. Or not...
     
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    I don't think Marvel has a creative team talented enough to pull off a OYL thing.

    And also, if they did...everyone would say "hey, alright, way to copy off exactally (pretty much) what DC did."

    But if they did...I would love to see something like this.

    It's in OYL. Spiderman (Peter Parker) is dead. Ironman (Tony Stark) is dead. Cap America is dead. Cyclops is dead. Wolverine is dead. For good. All of them. Plus a bunch of B / C level heros died as well. New heros rise up to take the places of them. Someone dawns on the "final" version of the Iron Spidey suit and has it permanently changed to the original Spiderman Costume, only with a different logo. Same with Ironman. No one takes the place of Cap America, Cyke or Logan. No one really cares about the B level C level, so eh.

    However, we learned through dialouge that the heros killed each other. Emma and Storm ended up killing Ironman, Deadpool and Cable ended up killing Spiderman, Cyke and Logan take each other out. We don't find out exactally why this happened other than they were on opposing sides of the war until it is drawn out in the series that covers the year.

    What happens in that would go something like this:

    After the Civil War, the registration act went into effect. Those who did not comply were reprimanded and killed. Those who did comply are a majority of B/C class heros, along with Spiderman, IronMan, and a select few of the Xmen. However, along with the whole registration act (which no one knew about until it was too late) was the fact that the superheros get brainwashed into being basically the Governments *****es. They kill when told to kill. No more of the "oh well we'll just have them locked up or something". Nope, it gets dirty. Spiderman breaks necks, Ironman shoots holes in people...

    Now now, I know people are saying that Spiderman will no sign blah blah blah, but hey, this is my story. Most of the other heros fled to Canada, Mexico, or other foreign countries where they practically started over, while trying to figure out what to do. The same with the villians. Why? Because the villians were now being handled in extreme force with the government in USA.

    However, the villians and heros work together (the ones that fled) to find a way to stop the government. Unfortunatly, they end up killing off the above mentioned while in the process.

    OYL starts with the US in shambles as the superheros take over the government. Charles Xavier comes back from wherever he's been during / after House of M (havnt read any X books since then, but if he's dead...well its Marvel...) and becomes the President. Things are semi in order on the superhero front, but now most of America feels scared. The government and themselves forced out all the heros, and now they run the place...So naturally chaos is gonna start and such. The villians (all of them that helped the heros get US back) are practically no where to be found, some people speculate that they all got killed, but who knows.


    Ok, so it started to suck AFTER the "hidden year" thing, I know. I'll probably revise it eventually and have it better written.

    Though I do think that it would actually be pretty cool if the whole brainwashing / necksnapping thing happened.
     
  10. XwolverineX Registered

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    Wolverine would get a couple more ongoin' series. Maybe 6 or 7.. An' he would join all th' Team-books.
     
  11. roach I am the night

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    and that is different from now...how????
     
  12. Phaedrus45 Registered

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    Marvel OYL .... wouldn't want to see it done. You'd just have a bunch of DC marks saying, "Marvel is ripping off DC again." Plus, X-Men did a OYL after the first X-Men movie came out, and I didn't like the big changes at that time. Face it...it's rare to ever get something truly original. And, once it's done, it will be ripped off consistently. (See Walking Dead.)

    DC OYL works well; because, frankly, DC's regular titles sucked. (Some people could argue it's a rip-off of Decimation. They've reworked all of the mutant books before DC did this.) Most of the books could only improve with a new direction. With Infinite Crisis,which I admit is a great comic, I all the titles that tied in. And, stuff like Robin and Aquaman were abysmal garbage. And, sure, things are hot right now...but, pretty soon, OYL will be over, and things will probably go back to normal. (There are only about half of the OYLs that I'm going to stick with after the first storylines are done...then, probably, after a while, I'll just get a few.) This is just a gimmic. Once Robin is cleared of murder..once we find out who the father of Catwoman's baby is...and, once Superman gets his powers back....do you really still see the shine staying on?
     
  13. XwolverineX Registered

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    Hmm, good point. :cool:
     
  14. cerealkiller182 Must Get Deadpool Avatar

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    Marvel OYL

    +Nick Fury gains control of SHIELD with Wolverine leading a new task force consisting of Black Cat, She Hulk, Toxin, Richocet and Daredevil
    +The X-Men are based in Genosha to help rebuild and establish themselves as a international organization
    +Captain America leads yet another new roster of Avengers consisting of Spider Woman, Spider-Man, Sentry, Ms. Marvel, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Ronin, and Speedball
    +Holwing Commandos are reestablished in Area 13 with Blade as the new team leader.
    + Frank Castle is given a clean slate and has to decide whether to give up his life as The Punisher
    + Hank McCoy becomes Secreatary of Super Human Relations in the Presidents cabinet.
    +Iron Man, being kicked out of the Avengers for siding with the Registration Act unofficially retires.
    + The Fantastic Four unofficially retire from crime fighting.
    + ONE becomes the first line in Homeland Security.
    + X-Factor is reestablished after leaving Genosha.
    + Deadpool returns to Providence after helping Nick Fury with a new girl friend, Mystique who resembles his old girl friend, Copycat.

    Marvel 52
    Focuses on Nick Fury, Reed Richards, Spiderman, Beast, and the reporter from GenM (cant remember her name)

    Fury- SHIELD has become a dominate force in America. Fury plans a coup with two teams, one being the Howling Commandos and the other being a team made up of Black Cat, She Hulk, Toxin, Richocet, Deadpool, Mystique and Daredevil. There first business is to save Blade, WOlverine, and Frank Castle, three people who rebelled violently against the registration act and are scheduled to be but to death

    Reed-The Fantastic Four are allowed to be the only super hero group in America due to their celeb status. Reed contemplates not stopping Iron Man from aiding the Registration Act.

    Spider-man- As part of the SHIELD task force with fellow Avengers, Spiderman starts to see the hipocrisy and corruption the Registraiton Act brings. He starts to act out against Iron Man, head of SHIELD task force.

    Beast- WHile the X-Men move their base to Genosha, Beast stays in America and starts a Super human Underground railroad, with the help of Nightcrawler, Iceman, and the Morlocks who are largely depowered. Eventually Beast does the unthinkable. He hijacks Air Force One to talk one on one with the President.

    Reporter from GenM- After Namor is supposedly killed by ONE sentinels, he washes up on the shore only to be found by the recovering drunk and reporter from GenM. She takes him in and helps take care of his wounds, but housing him has become a major felony. When she's not covering up his presence from friends and neighbors, she is writing articles against the Registration Act.
     
  15. The Question Objectivism doesn't work.

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    The MU as a whole:

    1) The only vigilantes active in New York are Luke Cage, Danny Rand, Moon Knight, Daredevil, Spider-Man, Shang-Chi, and Cloak and Dagger. At the behest of of Reed Richards and Captain America, all other active vigilantes have either moved to other cities or become agents of the FBI, CIA, or S.H.E.I.L.D.

    2) The percentage of vigilante activity in the U.S. has droped considerably, simply because after seeing what happened to the New Warriors, the fad seems alot less apealing to most.

    3) Alot of super villains have either retired, gone the hero rout, or much more commonly, started hiding under the coat tails of organized crime. No particular reason, besides the fact that being a mob leg breaker offers more protection than being a bank robber. Of course, there are more than a few who stick to bank robbies and smash and grab jobs, and the real psychos like Purple Man and Dr. Octopus are still doing the same old psycho killer crap they always do. Other types who aren't quite as crazy, but still quite amoral, have started working as muscle for terrorist organizations.

    4) The street level types still in New York I already mentioned, they form a group together. Not as much a team as a support network. If someome needs help, they call the others. Daredevil calls them the "Urban Legends".

    The Avengers:

    1) The Avengers are, on paper, a special unit of S.H.E.I.L.D. Before you ask, no, it's not making 616 more like the ultimate line. It's just the U.N.'s way of keeping track of them, which, logically, the U.N. would do. They're basically doing the same things they were doing before, but now they get all sorts of cool toys from S.H.E.I.L.D., and Cap has to file reports to Nick Fury. Speaking of which.....

    2) Nick Fury is director of S.H.E.I.L.D. again. He's proven that the current director is a corrupt *****. Yay for him.

    3) Because the Avengers are now a much more international group, they've had a roster change that shows this. The current roster is:

    Captain America

    Red Gaurdian II

    Herculese

    Sabra

    Caprain Britain

    Iron Man

    Shaman

    Namor

    Black Panther

    Thor

    and, suprise of suprises, Dr. Doom. Now, I bet your asking yourself, "why the **** is Doom on the Avengers?" Well, Latveria has become a major export of technological goods by now. If you own something electronic, it's either from Japan, Wakanda, or Latveria. The nations of the world don't want to piss Doom off. So when he says he wants to join, they sort of force the team to let him. Now, why does he want to join? Well, as always, he has his own agenda. He's playing the team. The team knows this. But they really can't do jack**** about it. Over the course of the series, what he wants from them becomes more obviouse. And it ain't pretty.

    4) The Invaders. The Avengers are the guys who fight psycho terroirists and save people from earthquakes and stuff like that. The Invaders are the guys who get their hands dirty. The take out terrorist cells before they do anything. They assasinate third world dictators and stuff like that. The roster is:

    USAgent

    Union Jack

    Spitfire

    Taskmaster

    Deadpool

    Black Widow

    and The Hulk. The Hulk's participation in less than willing. He's what the higher ups call the "nuclear option". Basically, when things get too rough, he's pumped full of steroids and droped on top of the problem from a helicopter. Violence and much "Hulk Smash" insues.

    Spider Man:

    1) Spidey found out that baby May is not dead, but being held by people working for Osborn somewhere. He and Osborn face off one final time, and Osborn died in the insueing fight.

    2) Turns out that Aunt May really died, and the Aunt May living with Peter and MJ is a VERY convincing clone. The whole "payed a genetically altered actress" thing was bull****. In the event of Osborn's death, the clone was programed to self terminate. One more **** over for Pete's life by Osborn from beyond the grave.

    3) There's something stirring amung Spider-Man's regular rougues. Now, they've never really been organized before. They've gotten together for the occasional revenge scheme, but all in all, they're just a bunch of theives and psychopaths who fight Spider-Man alot. The only reason they even fight him the most is because, for some reason, he feels responsible for them. But, I digress. Someone is organizing them. They've begun watching each other's backs. Pulling heists together. They've gotten smarter. Since Osborn is dead, you'd think the mastermind is Octavious. But not even he knows who's really behind it. Nor does he really care. He's just glad to have back up when he's on one of his little crusades to "make the world a better place" by stealing plutonium and squishing security gaurds' heads like grapes.

    4) The Shocker and Rhino are not asociated with the new organization. They're not murderers like The Scorpion or Doc Ock. Shocker and Rhino kind of go back and forth between the roles of theives and vigilantes based on their financial situation and what they happen to come across. They're not as much heroes as, if they see that somethings happening where people are going to get killed, they're going to help out. But, they're still criminals. They've actually become rather good friends with Peter Parker, even though they don't know he's Spidey.

    5) The Carnage Symbiot eventually floats back to Earth, and latches on to a teenage girl named Tracy in the San Fernando Valley. She is, of course, quite exited that she has super powers, and is having much fun with them. The only catch. She's begun hearing voices when no one's talking to her. Seering things that aren't there. She has black outs, sometime slosing several hours of time. And after more than a few of these black outs, she sees on the news reports of particularly brutal murders. And then, one day, after a shower, she looks into the mirror, and she doesn;t see her reflection. What she sees is a rather lanky man, with brownish red hair, and a crookid nose that looks like it's been broken and resent more than a few times. And then, even more suprisingly, he says something to her: "Hello. My name's Cletus."

    X-Men:

    1) The school is moved from New York to Boston, at the request of Captain America and Reed Richards. They're trying to lower superhuman crime in the city, and anti-mutant protestors can get just as bad sometimes with the tech they tend to use. So, Boston, which beforhand had a very small number of superhuman/supernatural crime, becomes their new home.

    2) Alexander Riker, a young mutant and hardcore Magneto fan who lost his mutation (which was nothing more than a vistigial third arm. We're not talking major super powered baddie here) because of Wanda's reality ****ing, begins gathering together former Brotherhood members to find away to regain their mutations. Magneto, realizing that his crusade has done nothing but **** with his health, screw with his kids and grandkids, and get people killed, wants no part of it. The Blob, who got major surgury and started working out alot to deal with his incredibly morbid obeasity, also wants no part of it. He's perfectly happy the way he is. Hell, he's got a girlfriend for the first time since he was 18. The rest, however, are much more complyant.

    3) Because the faculty of Xaivier's school insist on internveening every time some mutant terrorist or anti-mutant terrorist goes a-killin', the government has sanctioned them as an unofficial anti-terrorism squad, specifying in terrorist activity centering aroung mutant/human relations. Like with the Avengers, they're doing the same crap as always, but now they're doing it legally.

    4) While Jean is not back, the Pheonix force has fused with Rachel Summers, and she can sometimes hear her mother's voice in the back of her head, giving her advice and the like.

    5) There is only one book about the X-Men, and Wolverine no longer has a solo book. Seriously, it's getting to be pretty ****ing ridiculous.

    Fantastic Four:

    1) The four have left Earth on a trans-dimensional journy. Basically, they're doing what they were meant to do. Charting the unknown and studying the fantastic. Their trip takes them everywhere from the pits of hell to the gates of heaven, from Asgard to Olympus, from the land of dreams to a universe of computer data, and all manner of alternate realities.

    2) Thanos has begun apearing to Franklin when others are not around, helping him learn of the nature of his vast psychic abilities. Of course, Franklin doesn't realize that his new imaginary friend is a genocidal maniac who's got a hard on for death (literally), so he's sort of in over his depth. Thanos also shows an interest in Franklin's little sister, Valeria, sugesting that she also has powers like Franklin's. Possibly even greater ones.

    3) Reed, having lost his arm in a scurmish in Hell and not having the recources at hand to clone a new one, is left with a prosthetic. He's become less of a feild member of the team and more of a behind the scenes leader. He does the scientific investigations, builds gadgets, and studies stuff. If, in the course of his studies, something goes wrong (which always seems to happen), Ben and Johnny hit stuff.
     
  16. cerealkiller182 Must Get Deadpool Avatar

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    You bring up some interesting points and i do agree with you to a degree, but why you got to be such a downer. I'm sure it was just a hypothetical question.


    btw, Question, thats damn cool
     
  17. Dread TMNT 1984-2009

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    Good stuff, but Darkstar is dead. She was killed by Phantomex in some garish Igor Kordy-drawn X-issue. Just lettin' ya know.

    A lot of good points. To be fair, both companies have become addicted to the "event of the year" sort of thing to maintain high sales every month. DC's had muddy continuity for years, hence why they had CRISIS and ZERO HOUR and "hypertime" and so on. Modern Marvel at least started around 1961 for the most part, which eliminated a lot of the previous 2 decades to bother with.

    DC usually does better with teen heroes, though, with the Teen Titans. They've had a few changes of the guard, with youngsters growing up and taking on the "family mantle". Marvel's terrible at "legacies", but legacy heroes are relevent. Most cops, firefighters, and soldiers often joined because someone in their family did, for instance.

    I'm more of a Marvel fan, though, so I do agree with some of your points. Hopefully DC will able to maintain the "snowball" of quality, which of course is subjective.

    Marvel would never do a OYL. They don't stick with major changes for longer than 2 years, tops, with the rare exceptions of, for some reason, lame plot points that ran out of ideas (like "bone claw Wolverine", which drug on for 6 years). If they do this time...it'll be the first time in nearly a decade.

    I will say, though, that if I was an editor at Marvel involved with this, there'd be one character who could become a real handy player in a CIVIL WAR sort of element, where many heroes are forced between their duty and the law...the Shroud. The guy basically is a crimefighter who pretends to be a villian to destroy criminal enterprises from within. Now a lot of heroes are in a simular situation against their will and may not be experienced at it. Shroud's a master at keeping a low profile. Yeah, yeah, he's basically a clone of "The Shadow", but I still like him.
     
  18. The Question Objectivism doesn't work.

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    Oh. Okay. Who are other Russian super heroes? I guess Crimson Dynamo or Vangaurd would be a good choice. But another female on the team would be nice.
     
  19. Dread TMNT 1984-2009

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    The second Red Guardian was female, before she became Starlight and became the hench-wench of this loser called The Presence. Maybe you could have her finally shake off that funk and become a strong heroine again (the way she started) and, I guess in part because of having to work off time for her crimes, added onto the team.

    Plus, Russia's known for a little corruption, so the fact that she has a record may not be a huge deal to them anyway. I mean this IS a U.N. where Cuba can claim to be a member of the "Human Rights" counsel.
     
  20. The Question Objectivism doesn't work.

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    Good idea.

    Hell yeah. If Doom can make the team, I don't see why a former leg breaker for a criminal mastermind wannabe couldn't either. I'll edit her in.
     
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    No offense, but i didnt make this thread so you can bash DC's storyline techniques. This is about how you would handle the Marvel universe if they jumped ahead one year. Besides, I believe that marvel already had done something like this before with secret wars, but i'm not sure.
     
  22. The Question Objectivism doesn't work.

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    We do need to spread the wealth. But not with Daredevil. Matt would never leave New York. Like he said, he did it once, and it felt like someone tore out a chunk fo his soul. He's the gaurdian of Hell's Kitchen. He ain't abandoning it. You can get rid of the New Warriors and Gravity, but not Daredevil. He's like Spider-Man or the Heroes for Hire. He lives in New York. You can't not have him there. It just doesn't work.
     
  23. The Batman The Dark Knight

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    Questions got it. Matt grew up in Hells Kitchen. His crimefighting goal is to make Hell's Kitchen a better place. It's like taking Batman out of Gotham City.
     
  24. The Question Objectivism doesn't work.

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    So, Bats, what did you think of my OYL ideas?
     
  25. The Batman The Dark Knight

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    They're pretty good. Definetely have alot of surprises to them. i especially like that you cleaned up all the steet level heroes running around and kept the really good characters. I, personally wouldve taken the chance to put marvel's biggest characters in the Avengers book, but the international team works too.
     

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