How would YOU have done it?

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  1. The Question

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    Okay. Now, I know no one likes every show on TV. And I know I'm not the only one who's seen a show and thought how it could be better. So, here's the deal. If you could re-make any TV show, how would you improve upon it? My go:



    Smallville:


    First off, I wouldn't cast Welling. Or Kreuk. Or, any of them, really. Now, I don't have anything against Welling or Kreuk. I think they've done a good job in Smallville. I just think, casting wise, it could have been done better. Really, I'd cast people who actually look like they're teenagers, not supermodels. I would have cast someone with actual red hair for Lana, and for Clark, I would have gone with someone with less of a build. Personally, I've always prefered Clark, especially teenage Clark, to be alot more slender. Not that I want him to be like Peter Parker or anything. It's just that, when you're as naturally strong as Clark is, you're not going to be exering yourself often enough to build up alot of muscle. I would not have included Chloe or Whitney, and kept it to Just Clark, Pete, and Lana. I would have tried to cast someone for Pete who actually looks like Pete from the comics, but then, the actor they had did very well, so I might have ketp the same actor.

    Second, I'd have it set in the 70s or 80s. The reason, obviously, is to keep in tune with the current continuity, where Clark atended school in the 70s and/or 80s. Also, I think giving the show a slightly retro feel would help with it's apeal.

    Story wise, there would be no "freaks of the week". I would keep actual super fights to a minimal for the first season, since Clark isn't even Superman yet. When Clark fights his first "supervillain", it would have been a VERY big deal, for him at least. Lex would not be living in Smallville, and in fact Lex Luthor would not apear and only be mentioned until later seasons, if at all. Nothing against Rosenbaum's portrayal (he's quite good), but I don't like the whole "Clark and Lex being friends in Smallville" thing. Too complicated and messy if you think of how things will be in Metropolis later on.

    A major plot line (at least in the early seasons) would be the D.E.O. (Department of Extranormal Operations) investigating the crash in Smallville. This would introduce Amanda Waller, who is investigating the starnge sightings around Kansas, especially in Smallville.

    The series, at least at first, would be very character driven. Stuff like character relationships, normal adolecant issues, family problems, and local crimes would be at the forefront early on. I'd deal with stuff like drugs, juvinile delinquency, peer pressure, and **** like that from Clark's perspective. His powers, for the most part, would be a background peice, and would slowly become more important as the series progresses.

    Now, a main thing about Clark for this series. He does not want to be a super hero. He wants to go to school, hvae friends, help his parents out on the farm, go to college, and become a writer. He wants to ignore the fact that he even has his powers. He wants to simply be normal. However, as the series progresses, he would learn that, because of his powers, he has a responsibility to help others. This would be majorly touched upon in his first super fight near the end of season one, and his later meetings with superhumans. Basically "with great power comes great responsibility" is the theme of the series.

    Of course, as the show progresses, he would learn more of Krypton, obviously from the computer on his ship. While I would go with him refering to the ship as "Jor-El", I would make not that it is not Jor-El, but the ship's onboard computer, which would eventually become the Eradicator. Through season two, he would face the computer, which wnats to recreate Krypton's perfection on Earth, no matter what the consiquences. However, this would not be fully touched upon until later in the series.

    Of course, there would be cameos by other DC heroes. But only ones that make sense. During season two, we would be introduced to a new character. Clark's history teacher, who is almost always refered to as "Mr. Jones." At some point in season two, we learn that his first name is "John." This is, of course, Martian Manhunter, keeping an eye on his fellow extra terrestrial. J'onn will help guid Clark to using his powers to help others through the series. Clark would also meet old JSA members, in their civies of course, who would also teach Clark a valuable lesson about responsibility and heroism.

    I would probably have seasons one and two be in his freshman and junior years at high school. Season three would ne senior year, and we would see a return of the Eradicator. The season finale for season three would be a showdown between Clark and the Eradicator over the fate of the Earth.

    Season four would have Clark not going to college, but instead gaining first hand journolistic experiance by traveling across the world, writing a series of colums for whatever newspapers arer interested, and keeping a journal that would serve as a source of narration. In this season, we would see alot more heroism from Clark, saving epopel from natural disasters and fighting the occasional superhuman menace. When Clark does fight superhumans, they would be old school JSA villains slightly tweaked for TV, and not "freaks of the week" made up for the show. We would see more of the D.E.O. and Amanda Waller investigating him, now that the sightings are on the move. This would, eventually, lead to a meeting between Clark and Waller, where they settle things between them. The season would end with Clark receiving a letter from Perry White about a job oportunity, thus leaving the door open for a continuation to a more classic Superman show in the next season.
     
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    I like most your idea's. They're all quite clever. Having MM as his teacher would be awesome. And I'm sure he'd make a better teacher then Braniac.
     
  3. The Question

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    Thanks. So, what shows would you have done differently, and how?
     
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    Buffy:

    In Seasons 1-3 things would be basically the same except for a few small changes.

    Season 1:
    -I'd have it as a full season, with the rest of the season after the Master gets out devoted to stopping him, mostly because I would have liked to see some Master action.

    Season 2:
    -Introduce Acathla earlier.

    -Introduce the idea of Angelus wanting to destroy the world earlier.

    Season 3:
    -Make the Master's plot less vague.

    -Fix the damn snake.

    -Give a reason for Angel being back from Hell.

    -In the end, the Mayor is only killable as a giant snake because of a spell Willow does that makes his Ascension incomplete. This will allow for Willow's magical growth to continue.

    Now, here's where the big changes begin.


    Season 4:
    -Ok, my main problem with this season is the lack of plot for Xander, as well as the lack of emotional connection to the Initiative. What I would do is make Xander part of the Initiative. Xander had always shown signs of being prejudiced against demons, and this, plus his relationship with Anya, would show him getting over his prejudices. He would basically have a smilar arc to Riley, with him learning that the world is not so black and white.

    -I would also make Adam less boring and more integral to the plot, because as it was he felt sort of tacked on, albeit extremely cool.

    Season 5:
    -A big problem I have with this season is that the characters, whose minds have been altered into it, have a much more emotional connection with Dawn than the viewers could ever understand, and to us the memory alteration almost feels like a mind rape. There are a few things I would go with to fix this.

    -One, you could have Dawn as a very minor character for the first 4 seasons(but make her likeable) so that the conflicts this season are understandable and don't seperate us from the characters.

    -Or two, have the characters freed from the mind change halfway through the season, but still choosing to accept Dawn as a person in spite of it, rather than being forced into it.

    -Xander's arc this season would be helping Anya atone for her work as a Vengeance Demon, perhaps driven by her turn in the Body, and since I always felt she had shown too little remorse for those actions.

    Season 6 and 7:
    -I have some serious problems with these two. I think that 6 and 7 should be combined into one.

    -To me, in season 6, there needed to be a bigger metaphor for yourself being the enemy. Having the First in the guise of Buffy would have perfectly fulfilled this.

    -Giles should have a bigger reason for leaving than just Buffy's lack of growth. Perhaps he goes out and finds a ritual that will lock the First away again.

    -The Trio would fulfill a sort of Caleb role, doing the rituals necessary for bringing forth the First. The First would be given this opportunity by the wrinkle in reality caused by bringing back Buffy.

    -Spike and Buffy would still get together, and Spike would go get his soul halfway through, after being coaxed to leave town by First Buffy.

    -I'd also have the First taunt Anya with images of her victims over the years, and part of her and Xander's arc this season being her coming to full terms with what she had done as a Vengeance Demon. Perhaps, after the changes to his arc I made in seasons 4 and 5, Xander was actually mature enough to be ready for marriage and it is Anya who calls it off after being taunted by the First.

    -Willow would still deal with the concept of being overly reliant on magic, but it would be toned down and instead of her going dark, the ultimate pay off would be her using her powers to perform the ritual Giles finds to seal the First away again.

    -In the final battle, ANYA DOESN'T DIE. She and Xander decide to move past their problems and get back together. This is very important. The point of the season is that life sucks and we are our worst enemies, but ultimately we move on from it. In the end, when the First is locked away again, it is a metaphor for defeating the challenges life hands you, ultimately rising above them and becoming stronger as people.

    -Spike would still sacrifice himself, but he'd end up locked away with the First after staying behind to hold them back, or perhaps caught in the spell that seals them away again. He still gets his moment with Buffy, and he still comes back a season later on Angel.
     
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    Good ideas overall. Here's my thoughts on Adam:


    He was a damned cool villain, but yeah, he was a little flat. Maybe it would have been cool to have him questioning his existance and trying to figure out who he was a bit more.
     
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    Someone once mentioned something about the lack of follow-up on his ability to feel the world, and nature, or whatever it was. Perhaps if Maggie Walsh had stayed in the picture it would have been better.

    Also, I don't know if I'd even have Riley in the show at all. He's not exactly a fan favourite, and overall he would add little to the show. I actually don't mind Riley, but I think that, especially with the changes I've made, he hurts the overall narrative more than he helps it.
     
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    Definately. Anyway, I agree with pretty much all of your ideas, although I thought that Willow going crazy was a kick ass story.
     
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    Lost

    Season 1

    -Introduce the concept of the Others much earlier.
    -The "Red Scare" mentality should happen earlier on and be a bigger plot, leading up to Ethan's reveal.
    -More clearly defined structure of society on both the beach and in the caves, which would contrast each other. The caves would be more of a huggy-feely fair utopia with the beach as an ultra-capitalistic "every man for himself" type scenario.
    -More clearly defined Islanders.
    -More Rose
    -More interactions between characters, more attempts to find out what the monster is and where they are

    Season 2:

    -The promised Locke vs. Jack scenario would play out much more prominently, with people taking real sides
    -The Tailies would serve as a major contrast to the well-defined governments on the other side. The Tailies would basically be living in anarchy, and it would be Sawyer, Michael and Jin's promise of a better life on the other side that would drive a small portion of the Tailies to go back with Michael, Sawyer and Jin.
    -Shannon's death would fulfill a major plot purpose. Perhaps causing major dislike of the Tailies and maybe pushing Sayid into Locke's camp.
    -A major point of the season would be the question of whether or not to go back for the rest of the Tailies. Jack's group would want to get them, but Locke's group would A) consider the Tailies utter savages because of what happened to Shannon and B) Fear that side of the island because of a map found in the caves indicating that it is the Dark Place or something
    -Ultimately, since Locke is the one in control of the hatch and the guns, Jack and Sawyer steal the guns TOGETHER and lead an excursion back to the other side
    -They find that the beach is on fire, and most of the Tailies are dead, killed or kidnapped by the Others. One of the survivors explains WHY the Tailies were attacked. A little boy, Walt, had stumbled onto their beach and the Others had come to get him back. Michael blames himself.
    -Jack's side faces major repercussions for stealing the guns and leading the excursion.

    More later.
     
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    So do I, but I didn't like what all of it did to her character. Maybe we'd still have a major incident involving Willow going dark, it just wouldn't be the season ender and it would be for a different motive than Tara dying, since I'd like Tara to live.
     
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    I've always wanted to do a SPIDER-Man series set in the sixties and using Peter Parker, and his transition from nerd to superhero, as a sort of metaphor for the world's transition during the sixties. Might have been interesting.
     
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    That definately would have. I would have set Smallville in the late eighties, and have the last episode (prior to the transition to Superman) be in the early 90s. Also, in terms of story and tone, early on, Smallville would resemble a combination of "Wonder Years" and "Freaks and Geeks". And, slowly, I'd introduce more of the alien/superhero stuff, with the government and the Eradicator, and meeting J'onn Jonzz. Anyway, what do you think of the rest of my Smallville ideas?
     
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    I think that you'd have to be careful, because doing a show about Superman and downplaying the superhero aspect too much could result in the audience feeling ripped off. But I like the overall feel of it.
     
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    Well, my problem with Smallville is that they overdid the superhero stuff. During his teen years, Superman wasn't doing super hero stuff. He was going to high school. He was doing normal stuff, ebing influenced by his freidns and family, and discovering his powers. So, a good show would start off with a Wonder Years feel, and slowly introduce the super hero stuff. By season four, he's well on his way to becoming Superman.
     
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    I wonder though if that would be what a wider audience would look for in a Superman show.

    While it may be the best choice for the characters and by far the most interesting one, most people would probably be too stupid to get it and think "Why isn't Superman doin' somethin' cool?"
     
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    True. And that would probably turn of some fans and some non comic reading veiwers. But, it might also draw in non comic reader for it's uinique take. And really, I wouldn't even give anyone any reason to think it's a Superman show (except for the fans who read Wizard) until it premeirs and you hear the main character's last name and slowly reveal his alien heratige.
     
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    Q, I really like your ideas for Smallville. I wish the show had taken a different approach than it has. As it stands, there's too much filler and not enough focus on the path to becoming Superman.

    My revamp is for the short-lived Birds of Prey series...

    First off, it would have been set solely in the modern continuity. The show was flawed from the start because it made too much of an amalgamation between Earth-1 and Earth-2. The lineup would have been Oracle, Huntress (Helena Bertinelli) and the REAL Black Canary (not that nonsensical version they offered us). The show would have dealt with the neophyte stages of their partnership and how the three strong personalities learned to work together and be a collective force.

    Secondly, Batman would not have fled the city. This is the goddamn Batman! He's not going to run out on his city and watch from afar, regardless of what happens. The show wouldn't rely on constant appearances by the Dark Knight, but he would have an occasional reference (and maybe even an appearance). Birds of Prey leaned too much on Batman without having him actually factor into the story; Let the show stand on its own feet. The crux of the early episodes would have dealt with gaining insight on the three leads and then moved on to their interaction as they help make Gotham safe.

    I liked the way they portrayed Barbara and a good deal of how her origin was handled. I'd keep The Killing Joke reference and would have it serve as an anchor to give the show some good ol' Gotham grittiness (reflective of how dangerous this line of work is). However, the Joker wouldn't have known she was Batgirl, it just raises too many questions. Instead (and like in the books), he would have simply struck out at her to get at Commissioner Gordon. Some attention would be given to the dynamic between the two Gordons; one is the head of the GCPD, the other is part of Gotham's self-appointed police force. Barbara is Batman's former protégé, who is still dealing with making contributions to crime-fighting, but in an all new way. Not much change there.

    Huntress is the daughter of a Mafioso, struggling to balance her insatiable desire for revenge with walking the path of the hero. There is underlying tension with the character as she is frustrated by not being able to use deadly force against those who she feel warrant it. There would even be a story arc (inspired by the comics) where Huntress is on assignment, investigating the mob when she learns the truth of her parentage. That in itself is very compelling. The Huntress wants to gain the respect of her teammates, while still maintaining her independence. Under no circumstances is Helena a metahuman, nor is she the patient of Dr. Harleen Quinzel. Those characterizations never really resonated with me.

    Black Canary knows who her mother is (and was) from the start. She would be proud of continuing that heritage. Canary would be portrayed as strong and confident, yet naive at times as she wouldn't have personally experienced true violence in her life like her teammates (I'm omitting The Longbow Hunters arc). She would be dealing with living up to her mother's legacy, as well as her breakup with Green Arrow. Both of these factors play a huge role in her decision to working with BoP. Additionally, she has a unique viewpoint as the only member with an actual superhuman ability. It's not even worth comparing her to the Dinah Lance as seen in the series. That incarnation pained me to no end.

    The show would move from the all-too popular Villain of the Week theme and would be based on solving pieces of a puzzle. I'm not sure who would be the big villain pulling all the strings, but it would not be Harley Quinn (though I love the character). Black Mask could work given his ties to the underworld. The same goes for Maroni, Falcone or Thorne. This could also ease a transition to an appearance by Batman, as the plot revealed itself on a grand scale. There would still be some weekly baddies, but most of the action would be a along the lines of stopping drug rings, protection rackets and smuggling activities. Some of these arcs would span multiple weeks as everything would not be wrapped up in 60 minutes.

    I envision the occasional appearance (or brief flashback) to Wildcat, Nightwing, and Green Arrow. Those three characters have great history with BoP members and offer strong opportunities to expand the characters. It would be fun to see Barbara's reaction once she gets the scoop on Nightwing's nocturnal activities with Huntress. Particularly, how that affects the relevant relationships. Eventually, I'd have Batman in the mix. I wouldn't want to overdo the cameos, as the show would be squarely focused on the three superheroines. Notable appearances should mean something other than fanboy eye candy. A good cameo not only helps a primary character fulfill her obvious function to fight crime, but also brings about internal revelations and personal development. In a perfect world, I'd like references to both, The Question and Catwoman. Concerning the latter, possibly a story dealing with her vandalizing and pilfering the holdings of varied nefarious corporations. Of course, she would have a hidden altruistic purpose behind it.

    My concept for much of this assumes that the series would last for more than the 13 episodes it actually got. Hopefully, some of these changes would ensure that.
     
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    Great ideas all around. And, if there is an arc based on "Cry For Blood" as you described, then you HAVE to have The Question. Because he's that cool. :o
     
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    I also felt that even Angel got to big and soap-y towards the end of it's run, but that's a hard one to pinpoint specific things to change.
     
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    I thought Season Five Angel was it's peak. Especially the last few episodes, where they took out the Circle of the Black Thornes.
     
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    How did I know you'd feel that way? :D
     
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    I'm more talking about season four, but even so, season five suffered from a lack of direction and lack of long running plot. And a lot of it's standalone episodes are pretty terrible.

    I'm also not a fan of A Hole in the World, which I felt was too anvil filled and cliche. But ah well.
     
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    Not sure. :D



    Anyway......



    Teen Titans:



    First off, no goofy anime-esque moments. They wre unnecesairy, and detracted from the stories.

    Secret identities. We'd know them. The show would kick off with the team getting together in a manner similar to the episode "Go", except a two parter. We'd meet Robin, a vigilante from Gotham who's set out on his own. Vic Stone, an all star athlete who was turned into a freak after a tragic accident. Garfeild Logan, a shapeshifter former side kick who decided to try his hand at acting. Raven, a mysterious girl with vast psychic abilities. And Koriand'r, the hot alien chick who brings them all together.

    In terms of continuity, this would be in continuity with the rest of the DCAU. It would take place in the years between Batman: The Animated Series and The New Batman Adventures. Robin would be Dick Grayson, and the others would actually call him Dick.

    We would see the characters out of costume more than occasionally. I mean, that can't be all they wear, right?

    Villains wise, I'd change things up to fit the comics a bit more. First, we'd introduce H.I.V.E., an organization that wants to rule the world. Of course, they realize they have to build up to that first. Primarily, they'd be interested in kidnappings and thefts to acheive their gaols. When the Titans interfere, H.I.V.E. sends an assasin, Ravager, to take them out. When Ravager dies on the mission, they call the next man up. Ravager's father. Slade. Slade is, as he was in the comics, a mercenary and not a mastermind. He's still voiced by Ron Pearlman (who kicks ass), and he would still be kicking ass and taking names all over the place.

    The first season would have Slade playing the team against each other and plotting against them. I'd still end with "The Aprentice", and have Slade force Robin to take out his own friends (and, in a twisted kind of way, replace Slade's son).

    The second season would follow the deal with Terra, with Slade using her as a plant to destroy the team from the inside. When that fails, he'd just call it quits and no longer bother the Titans.

    I'd leave the whole Trigon arc more or less how they had it in the show. They did that one more or less perfect.

    The final season would show the Titans growing up more. It would have more cameos from other DC heroes, and would end with Dick and Kory getting married (and having a breif cameo from Batman).
     
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    I'm also not a fan of A Hole in the World, which I felt was too anvil filled and cliche. But ah well.[/quote]

    I thought they were quite good. Especially after they introduced Illyria. And really, how could you not love "Smile Time"? The only episode from that season I really didn't like was when Lorn's powers got out of control and started ****ing **** up.
     
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    Smallville:
    -I would of made Lana find out about Clark's powers in season 2.

    -I would of made Clark have the flying power in season 3,but make it where he is not good at it like on that t.v. show "The Greatest American Hero".

    -I would of made Lionel Luthor switch bodies with Lex,and have it where Lex dies when he is in Lionel's body and have that be the reason why Lex Luthor is a villain because it was aways Lionel.And that would also be the reason why Clark and Lex stop being friends.

    -I would of introduced more superman villains.(Make Lex create Metallo with his advance technology,and Bizarro from Clark's blood,and have other villains that just show up,like Zod.)

    -I would of had Bruce Wayne in a whole season.

    -I would of had a female Kryton character who is Clark's cousin.

    -I would of made Chloe be played by a hotter actor.

    -I would of had other heroes show up and stick around for more than one episode,like Aquaman,Flash,Green Lantern,Wonder Woman.

    -I would make it where Clark actually has better fights with the meteor freaks.

    -I would of made six meteor freaks decide to team up with each other and wreak havoc on others and where Clark has to fight all six at once.

    -I would of made Johnathan die from Jorel's agreement of giving him powers like Clark's to bring Clark home,and when Jorel takes the power away afterwards,Johnathan dies from it a year later.

    -I would have Clark not blame himself every episode for everything that has happened.
     
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    I like Illyria, but to me A Hole in the World was too full of really obvious stuff and blatant cliches that wouldn't have been out of place on a lesser show, but on Angel they really stood out.

    I liked a lot of the stuff that season, but a lot of it was too blatently forgettable. (IE Conviction, Unleashed, Life of the Party, The Cautionary Tale of Numero Cinco, Harm's Way, Why We Fight) and some of it was just weird and thematically off (IE Time Bomb, The Girl in Question).

    I liked most of the Spike-Angel stuff, and the last two episodes were Angel at it's best. I think part of my problem with the season is that I have some trouble buying into the concept of Angel and crew handling Wolfram and Hart. But oh well.
     

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