HULK VS WOLVERINE and HULK VS THOR (no joke)

[kedrell]

^Brilliant piece-o-analysis there.

 

[Daredevil_2003]

I watched the Thor piece this afternoon and it was pretty damn good. It had a more satisfying end and the whole plot itself at least felt deeper, but I'm still liking the Wolverine one more, maybe it's bias towards the characters I dunno...but it's much more entertaining. I watched that one again afterwards and I finally saw the bit after the credits.

Deadpool makes me laugh out loud, yet again. God, I love that guy. We must have a Deadpool solo movie ASAP. Done right, that could be the most badass/hillarious action/comedy in the history of cinema. t:

 

[co2]

I bought the two disk at Wal-mart. For some reason the 2 disk was the exact same price as the single disk. If not for that I would have stuck with the single disk. I also completely skipped the blu-ray because I wanted to pay as little as possible for something I was fairly certain I wouldn't care for nor had an intention to keep.
Neither movie was good, but I do say that I thought Thor was a better, more co-herent film. I didn't care much for the animation on either, particularly Wolverine.
I still contend that I haven't been a fan of any of these Lion's gate Marvel films. I do give this set marks for having the most content out of all the previous releases and probably the most action.

 

[Dread]

Great review Dread!

Thanks!

i just hate thinking how much more satisfying thor vs hulk woudl have been if they had a real proper toe to toe through down


in defence of the scene, it woudl appear that hulk broke one of thor's arms fairly quickly after loki lost control of him and caused it to be one sided.

still though...

a slow wearing down of thor woudl have been a far more acceptable demise than that ownage

I do agree the Hulk vs. Thor fight could have been paced so it wasn't so one sided. It showed the production crew was probably more familiar with Wolverine than Thor.

http://www.the-numbers.com/dvd/charts/weekly/thisweek.php

Sales figures are in. HULK VS. was #7 on the Top 10 DVD sellers list for it's debut week. It sold almost 179,000 units and netted over $3 million in sales. This of course doesn't include rentals, OnDemand numbers, legal downloads, or HD numbers. It was stated that this debut was, shockingly, three times better than NEXT AVENGERS. Who'd have thought, faithful transitions of popular animated heroes are more popular and sell better than standard kiddie rehashes?

 

[3dman27]

for those who wanted to rent hulk vs its now available on ppv

 

[TheVileOne]

Dread, I don't think that's fair because Next Avengers did sell well, and it's a gateway movie for the kids.

Not to mention Dread, Next Avengers featured an excellent and faithful MU version of Ultron.

I don't see the point of the dig. There's not really a limit to this stuff. Next Avengers was something different and so was Hulk VS. It's OK to have both and Marvel SHOULD be doing both. This was a big release so it makes sense its sold well.

Also WOLVERINE.

Think about it guys. What's the one thing every Marvel/Lionsgate animated release so far didn't have? WOLVERINE.

It's not a coincidence.

Solution? Put Wolverine in every next one you are planning.

X-men VS. Avengers? Put Wolverine on both teams.

In fact, make it Wolverine VS.

Next Marvel/Lionsgate release Wolverine VS.

Wolverine and the X-men vs. The Avengers put together with Wolverine and the X-men vs. Alpha Flight.

Printed money.

 

[marcvader]

Would love to see Guardian blast Wolverine's hairy ass.

 

[3dman27]

wolverine vs ?
good thinking thevileone

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea the kids love Wolverine with all the slashing and the screaming and the gloybben.

 

[Daredevil_2003]

...I like Wolverine.

 

[Dread]

Dread, I don't think that's fair because Next Avengers did sell well, and it's a gateway movie for the kids.

Not to mention Dread, Next Avengers featured an excellent and faithful MU version of Ultron.

I have often mentioned how cool Ultron was in NEXT AVENGERS, just a shame the heroes didn't match up. The moral of that story was also completely screwed up.

Spoiler

"Take on the legacy of your dead parents and have the heart to not give up and take on the menace that ended them...unless you can trick the Hulk into fighting that fight for you without you having to do more than fight minions for 15 minutes. Then do that and screw legacy. Hulk sells."

Also, I would bet serious money that not more than 25% of the buyers/watchers of NEXT AVENGERS were children, and out of that figure barely half of that 25% will ever touch a comic in their lives. Bank on it.

I don't see the point of the dig. There's not really a limit to this stuff. Next Avengers was something different and so was Hulk VS. It's OK to have both and Marvel SHOULD be doing both. This was a big release so it makes sense its sold well.

Also WOLVERINE.

Think about it guys. What's the one thing every Marvel/Lionsgate animated release so far didn't have? WOLVERINE.

It's not a coincidence.

Solution? Put Wolverine in every next one you are planning.

X-men VS. Avengers? Put Wolverine on both teams.

In fact, make it Wolverine VS.

Next Marvel/Lionsgate release Wolverine VS.

Wolverine and the X-men vs. The Avengers put together with Wolverine and the X-men vs. Alpha Flight.

Printed money.

That is also true; as big name as Thor, Iron Man, or Hulk are, Wolverine is also big too. Kyle mentioned X-MEN VS. AVENGERS in the Comic-Con interview (that was included in the 2-disc special or Blue-Ray) and I would certainly love to see that. Thor would be a chump and the X-Men would probably win, because Kyle & Yost have more experience with those characters. Despite that, though, it would be an incredible DTV and if handled with the skill as this one was, it would be worth the buy. I hope Marvel & LG are smart enough to make it happen.

 

[kedrell]

^Yeah, they'd probably favor the X-Men even though none of them would really stand a chance against Thor alone(except maybe Dark Phoenix), to speak nothing of the rest of the team coming along w/ him.

 

[yoshimura]

Thor got owned way too easily.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

...I like Wolverine.

So do I man, why so sad? I didn't mean it as a dig to anyone, just saying that kids these days LOVE violence.

 

[yoshimura]

Yeah, Thor got his ass handed to him way too easily.

I wasn't real crazy about Matt Wolf's voice work as Thor. He just didn't come across with a lot of power. David Boat from the Ultimate Avenger features had more force to his voice. The other actors were good, Steve Blum was an excellent Wolverine.

The animation didn't impress me much. For all the brutality, the characters look like they were drawn by 6-year olds, which for me lessens the impact.

Overall, my feelings are a bit mixed towards this one. It's definitely better than that kiddie Avengers flick, but I wouldn't call it a ground-breaking masterpiece.

Agreed. I did enjoy the movies, but Marvel has a few things to tweak for the future like the animation style.

 

[Daredevil_2003]

So do I man, why so sad? I didn't mean it as a dig to anyone, just saying that kids these days LOVE violence.

Ah. Well I get kinda sad about it because a lot, especially hardcore Cyclops fans, would say it as an insult. I agree that the guy's a tad overdone, but it's becase he's an interesting character. I liked him for the violence and grunting and general badassitude when I was younger, and now I stll like that but find his whole story and the nuances of his character (dependent on who's writing, some just make him that 2-dimensional snarling *******) to be very intriguing. It's why he's my favorite Marvel character. With Wadey as a close second. Your avys and sigs with him always make me smile

Agreed. I did enjoy the movies, but Marvel has a few things to tweak for the future like the animation style.

What would you tweak? I thought it's been good to great in the case of Hulk vs. Really liked the anime-ish qualities of the Wolverine segment.

The only thing I might do is base further stories off the art of prolific artists, particularly one's synonymous with the character(s) being portrayed...

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Thanks man!

Yea when I was younger watching X-Men TAS I used to love Wolverine because he was a bad ass. But as I've got older I appreciate the nuances and his whole story, as you mentioned. He does have on of the most brutal and interesting origins in comicdom, same as DP. That's why I like em, because they are quite grown up characters.

But obviously the kids just see them as bad asses. But to be honest, everyone was like that at some point wasn't they?

 

[Dread]

^Yeah, they'd probably favor the X-Men even though none of them would really stand a chance against Thor alone(except maybe Dark Phoenix), to speak nothing of the rest of the team coming along w/ him.

Thor got owned way too easily.

Even if true, I think an X-MEN VS. AVENGERS flick like Kyle has suggested would work out. I think it would be a good story, especially if written with the same approach as HULK VS. for fans and with a worthy PG-13 rating (rather than most of the last DTV's that are G quality with some gore tossed in), and it would sell like hotcakes.

Kyle's collaborator Chris Yost will be working on an AVENGERS cartoon soon. Thor will soon be getting his own show. It would be awesome if such a DTV was actually a crossover type meeting. Like in the comics!

 

[TheVileOne]

Not X-men vs. Avengers. Wolverine and The X-men vs. The Avengers.

Hulk VS. Wolverine = 180K copies sold.

 

[TheVileOne]

I have often mentioned how cool Ultron was in NEXT AVENGERS, just a shame the heroes didn't match up. The moral of that story was also completely screwed up.

Spoiler

"Take on the legacy of your dead parents and have the heart to not give up and take on the menace that ended them...unless you can trick the Hulk into fighting that fight for you without you having to do more than fight minions for 15 minutes. Then do that and screw legacy. Hulk sells."

Nitpick. Reading way too much into it.

Also, I would bet serious money that not more than 25% of the buyers/watchers of NEXT AVENGERS were children, and out of that figure barely half of that 25% will ever touch a comic in their lives. Bank on it.

Nope. You have no proof to back this up. Show me some official research figures.

That is also true; as big name as Thor, Iron Man, or Hulk are, Wolverine is also big too. Kyle mentioned X-MEN VS. AVENGERS in the Comic-Con interview (that was included in the 2-disc special or Blue-Ray) and I would certainly love to see that. Thor would be a chump and the X-Men would probably win, because Kyle & Yost have more experience with those characters. Despite that, though, it would be an incredible DTV and if handled with the skill as this one was, it would be worth the buy. I hope Marvel & LG are smart enough to make it happen.

Wolverine vs. Avengers would sell even more I think. Or even trying Millar's Wolverine vs. the MU story.

 

[kedrell]

An adaption of Ultimate War would be bad-ass. Even though I don't agree with Collossus beating Iron Man in a fight.

 

[Dread]

Not X-men vs. Avengers. Wolverine and The X-men vs. The Avengers.

Hulk VS. Wolverine = 180K copies sold.

Touche'.

Nitpick. Reading way too much into it.

It was a serious story flaw. Plus, the "kid Avengers" weren't nearly as unique or original as Yost & Kyle would lead you to believe.

Nope. You have no proof to back this up. Show me some official research figures.

Ancedotal evidence suggests more adults buy comic themed animation DVD's. Even anime, which adults and children buy, rarely sells over 100k per release beyond NARUTO and DBZ. The Ultimate line attracted at least as many disenfranchised older fans than newer ones, and once mainstream Marvel improved, Ultimate's sales have fallen. I highly doubt as many children will bother with NEXT AVENGERS as the creators intend.

Wolverine vs. Avengers would sell even more I think. Or even trying Millar's Wolverine vs. the MU story.

You mean the ENEMY OF THE STATE arc? I don't think I would want to see that. Even a WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN VS. AVENGERS wouldn't HAVE to be 75 minutes of "Wolverine beats every superhero ever, because he is awesome" like Millar's ENEMY OF THE STATE was.

Frankly, I would trust Kyle & Yost with such a DTV script than Mark Millar. And I agree, any sort of X-MEN VS. AVENGERS DTV would sell a mint, at LEAST as many copies as HULK VS. if properly promoted (and if, likely, Wolverine, Iron Man, and Thor were featured in art and trailers).

An adaption of Ultimate War would be bad-ass. Even though I don't agree with Collossus beating Iron Man in a fight.

I preferred the very close to 616 adaptations from HULK VS. than the Ultimate stuff. That was part of what I loved about HULK VS. This was not some rebranded redesigned idea of what a "modern" Thor should be; this was a stab at 616 Marvel U. Thor. This was not Ultimate Loki, or some "postmodern" Loki in green leather, this was iconic Loki. This was segments of Barry Windsor Smith's WEAPON X put to animation without forgetting the violence and horror. It was terrific, and if the production team is given a similar chance with X-MEN VS. AVENGERS, it would be great.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Dread, I don't think that's fair because Next Avengers did sell well, and it's a gateway movie for the kids.

Not to mention Dread, Next Avengers featured an excellent and faithful MU version of Ultron.

I don't see the point of the dig. There's not really a limit to this stuff. Next Avengers was something different and so was Hulk VS. It's OK to have both and Marvel SHOULD be doing both.

Agreed. It's great to do stuff for the current fans, but in order for the characters to survive, YOUNGER fans have to be courted as well.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Yea the kids love Wolverine with all the slashing and the screaming and the gloybben.

Heh.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Thanks!



I do agree the Hulk vs. Thor fight could have been paced so it wasn't so one sided. It showed the production crew was probably more familiar with Wolverine than Thor.

http://www.the-numbers.com/dvd/charts/weekly/thisweek.php

Sales figures are in. HULK VS. was #7 on the Top 10 DVD sellers list for it's debut week. It sold almost 179,000 units and netted over $3 million in sales. This of course doesn't include rentals, OnDemand numbers, legal downloads, or HD numbers.

That's great. They said they'd do more if these numbers were good...

Who would you guys like to see in a sequel to Hulk vs?

I think the Fantastic Four's The Thing is a given....

Maybe Spider-Man? Not sure if that's legally possible at the moment with Sony in charge of that character's film process....

You know, a Defenders movie would kick ass.