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[Erzengel]

Spider-Fan's way of playing isn't popular. But I have to say from the outside looking in, it makes for an interesting finale. I've seen quite a few others, some even I've been in, that almost felt like a "gentleman's game" with people bowing out gracefully and as expected. I think I criticized SF's game because it felt a lot like that.

I understand how POWder and others are feeling because if given the choice between voting for a player who didn't screw you over versus voting for a player that did, for most people would be an easier decision, because I've been there, actually on both sides.

Unfortunately, there can only be one winner and you have to look past the ******** and vote for who best played the game which could be looked at in 2 different ways. You can vote for the Master Manipulator OR the Under the Radar Player.

On one hand you have to admire the manipulation that SF did to get to the final 2, OR you can say Kal kinda just fell into the Final 2. On the other hand, you can hate on SF for effing you over and vote for Kal out of default.

I mean you play this game to get to this point and unfortunately it's not decided by a joint consensus with people choosing the order of who is to be voted out at each round at the start of game.

I'm not saying "Hey Vote for SF", mostly because I think that a few of you already made your decision even before this thread. My point is and I think Matt said it too, backstabbing is part of this game. You may not like it, and as much as you may want to just vote for Kal out of spite, I'm just saying that you kinda have to take yourself out of the jury and think of the vote from an unbiased standpoint.

In the end, I'm sure SF and Kal both deserve to be here and both deserve to win, they both got here through different methods and the way they did shouldn't necessarily be seen as right or wrong.

 

[Marx]

You can chalk it up to '********' all you want Erz, the fact of the matter is that many of us on the jury do not appreciate Spider-Fan's way of playing the game. To those of you who like dirty, deceitful gameplay, more power to you.

Kalel114 deserves to be in the final. He did not fly under the radar. He played a powerful and strategic game, all the while respecting other players. He won challenges and immunities when he needed to, and made a very specific set of alliances from the beginning of the game and kept true to those alliances. Unlike Spider-Fan, Kalel didn't have to form an alliance with everyone in the game just to make it to the end. He aligned with five.

 

[Alex The Great]

I didn't really have a speech so...

I was surprised I was ousted, but I felt it coming, but I prayed that the alliance would hold through. And it didn't. Oh well, I love Survivor, and I'm not bitter at all o), Spider-Fan recently explained why I was taken out and I'm happy for that. No hard feelings whatsoever anymore. I'm happy I got this reward, I didn't Frant or *****, I hung around and watched, Cheering for my allies, or at least who I thought was the one who voted for me. Every one of you contestants played your games well, and most of the judges cmad were fantastic and the challenges looked entertaining. Props to Matt and Hunter and anyone else that helped out with hosting. I accept this reward with dignity, respect, and all around satisfaction. Congrats to the final two and you both deserve to win for different reasons, good luck to you both, now on to Survivor 30!

That's good enough, right?

 

[Cmill216]

You are a lying, deceitful snakein this game. Your word means nothing. You are so consumed with winning this game that you throw your morals right out the window. You do not care who you step on, who you betray, or who you hurt in your lust for power. You seem to pride yourself on dirty game play and have personally betrayed the larger majority of this jury. You betrayed ProjectPat. You betrayed Iron Fist. You betrayed POWdER-man. And you betrayed me.

...If only you could go back in time.

 

[Erzengel]

You can chalk it up to '********' all you want Erz, the fact of the matter is that many of us on the jury do not appreciate Spider-Fan's way of playing the game. To those of you who like dirty, deceitful gameplay, more power to you.

Kalel114 deserves to be in the final. He did not fly under the radar. He played a powerful and strategic game, all the while respecting other players. He won challenges and immunities when he needed to, and made a very specific set of alliances from the beginning of the game and kept true to those alliances. Unlike Spider-Fan, Kalel didn't have to form an alliance with everyone in the game just to make it to the end. He aligned with five.

I'm not telling you who to vote for, just be open to other ways of playing the game.

 

[KALEL114]

I think the issue for some is that they think this game is all about manipulation and backstabbing. My question to you is, why does it have to be? Above all else, this is a game about strategy. SF and I had two different strategies in this game. Just because mine was unconventional, shouldn't automatically make his better than mine. He practiced a tied and true startegy, that many have used in the past. I didn't choose to do that. Just because I have less blood on my hands, should not indicate that I played a lesser game or was "Under the Radar". I played to my strengths and worked very hard to stick to my principals. That was my strategy and that is what got me here.

 

[Alex The Great]

Hey Erz, there gonna be a Survivor on LSP anytime soon?

 

[Erzengel]

Survivor success story? People still talking about my game play two games later

And if SF wins this one then I'd definately add Powder to that list of good players without a win.

As for whether or not I betrayed SF two games ago... I suppose that's up to interpretation. I had an alliance with SF and ComicChick both, who were targeting each other (and I used that to keep me safe while eliminated other allies of theirs to move me up their ranks). Anyhow, I could never keep this up post merge so one of them had to go. I knew that there were plans being made to eliminate them both so I just stepped out and let things play out without my interference to see how they'd fall. I didn't warn SF about the plans and he was eliminated. Thus, I could still cling to CC come the merge and still look clean. I was genuine to both CC and SF and was doing my best to save both of them from each other while letting the bullets fall on their other allies to help my own game. I never actually arranged or planned for SF's eviction when the time came but I didn't warn him or try to stop it either. I could see it as a betrayal, but then it wasn't really either.

I wouldn't quite put POWdER in the same league as players like SF, Kal, Hunter, and Kypade as POWdER is just too damn emotional of a player. He is actually a lot like Movies, IMO. He can make good plays and good strategies, but in the end, he over thinks himself and gets too caught up in the game and it thus far has always resulted in him being outmanuevered. In my experience with him, both as a fewllow player and a host, POWdER, like Movies, seems to be one of the easier players to manipulate emotionally. Plus it seems like in every game where POWdER enjoys success, there is always another player behind him, pulling the strings, an SF, a Hunter Rider, etc. That is why I'm not ready to rank him in the greats without a win just yet. I'd really like to see him get his emotions under control and really control a game from start to finish.

I actually think POWdER could use a break. My record was pretty much identical to his before I took a three year break from playing the game and came back to win it in 28. The break allowed me to completely remove myself from the game emotionally and really pin down my flaws as a player. Hosting helped a lot as it let me watch other players and see where they went wrong. I think a break would serve POWdER really well and allow him to come back and kick some ass in a year or so.

Kypade finally won one right before you did Matt. I think that would put, Kal, SF and POWder at the top of the list of the best players to never win a game.

I didn't really follow Survivors 26, and 27 but I know Hunter finished in the Top 4 once. But I know Kal, SF, and POWder had multiple top 4 and jury appearances.

 

[Erzengel]

I think the issue for some is that they think this game is all about manipulation and backstabbing. My question to you is, why does it have to be? Above all else, this is a game about strategy. SF and I had two different strategies in this game. Just because mine was unconventional, shouldn't automatically make his better than mine. He practiced a tied and true startegy, that many have used in the past. Just because I have less blood on my hands, should not indicate that I played a lesser game or was "Under the Radar". I played to my strengths and worked very hard to stick to my principals. That was my strategy and that is what got me here.

I was mostly "Under the Radar" when I first won. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, just reiterating that there are multiple ways of judging this.

 

[Erzengel]

Hey Erz, there gonna be a Survivor on LSP anytime soon?

Don't know. Most of the players who played when I played are retired. Even myself. I thought if there was a certain host that I'd play, but even I don't even have the energy or desire to play again. Guest host occasionally but I think my playing days are over.

 

[Alex The Great]

Wasn't there some interest on LSP for a non-winners only version of Survivor, but then Matts Survivor (this one) got in the way?

 

[Erzengel]

I didn't think there was any Survivor on LSP in the near future.

 

[Alex The Great]

Didn't Holly make a thread? It was more of an idea than a set in stone thing I think

 

[Marx]

Can we keep the focus of this thread where it is supposed to be? Hype Survivor. Thank you.

 

[Matt]

I agree with Marx, talk about LSP on LSP.

On a side note, congrats to Kypade. He was one of my first allies when I started playing Survivor (and I backstabbed him and Draven to maintain the dominance of my alliance with Childlike Wild and Kessel Day) but his skill at challenges ultimately led to several immunities for him and my downfall and he deserved a win.

 

[Matt]

You can chalk it up to '********' all you want Erz, the fact of the matter is that many of us on the jury do not appreciate Spider-Fan's way of playing the game. To those of you who like dirty, deceitful gameplay, more power to you.

Kalel114 deserves to be in the final. He did not fly under the radar. He played a powerful and strategic game, all the while respecting other players. He won challenges and immunities when he needed to, and made a very specific set of alliances from the beginning of the game and kept true to those alliances. Unlike Spider-Fan, Kalel didn't have to form an alliance with everyone in the game just to make it to the end. He aligned with five.

I'm not going to comment on Kal or SF's strategies til all the jury votes are in, then I'll give my take, but I will comment on yours and you're coming off as a sore loser and filthy hypocrit. You had no problem hiding behind SF all game. He gave you targets but you pulled the trigger and you did it willingly. You can say til the cows come home that you "did not appreciate his way of playing the game," but the fact of the matter is, you played it right beside him and gave him the power to play it. You're hands are just as dirty as his. You simply didn't appreciate it when it came back to bite you in the rear end.

The hypocrisy of this thread is disgusting, and frankly, I'm sick of seeing the personal attacks on SF, who I know for a fact is a stand up guy. His strategy was flawed (and I'll get to that when I discuss the strategies of the finalists), but to paint him as some kind of monster is wrong. Especially when you were just as bad.

 

[Marx]

I'm not going to comment on Kal or SF's strategies til all the jury votes are in, then I'll give my take, but I will comment on yours and you're coming off as a sore loser and filthy hypocrit. You had no problem hiding behind SF all game. He gave you targets but you pulled the trigger and you did it willingly. You can say til the cows come home that you "did not appreciate his way of playing the game," but the fact of the matter is, you played it right beside him and gave him the power to play it. You're hands are just as dirty as his. You simply didn't appreciate it when it came back to bite you in the rear end.

The hypocrisy of this thread is disgusting, and frankly, I'm sick of seeing the personal attacks on SF, who I know for a fact is a stand up guy. His strategy was flawed (and I'll get to that when I discuss the strategies of the finalists), but to paint him as some kind of monster is wrong. Especially when you were just as bad.

And your 'neutrality' on who you want to win is laughable at best. As far as personal attacks? I haven't personally attacked him. I attacked him within the realm of the game. I haven't called for the murder of his dog or anything even close to that.

As far as 'me being as bad as he is' and 'hiding behind him all game', with all due respect, you do not know what you're talking about. I'll just leave it there.

 

[Cmill216]

Okay, the irony is burning my hand. I have to comment.

*****
Marx,

Spider-Fan didn't betray you. You betrayed yourself.

I offered you an opportunity way back when to take out Spider-Fan, because I KNEW something like this was going to happen. The guy was playing the game too well and establishing alliances too cleanly. If he wasn't stopped early, he was going to steamroll straight ahead to the finals. And that's EXACTLY what he did.

I told you. I told you this would happen. I had no reason to try to manipulate you. I came to you sincerely wanting to ensure that both of us had a better chance of winning. And what did you do? You spat in my face and turned me in to Spider-Fan.

And look where that got you.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

Iv read enough. My votes in.

 

[Marx]

Okay, the irony is burning my hand. I have to comment.

*****
Marx,

Spider-Fan didn't betray you. You betrayed yourself.

I offered you an opportunity way back when to take out Spider-Fan, because I KNEW something like this was going to happen. The guy was playing the game too well and establishing alliances too cleanly. If he wasn't stopped early, he was going to steamroll straight ahead to the finals. And that's EXACTLY what he did.

I told you. I told you this would happen. I had no reason to try to manipulate you. I came to you sincerely wanting to ensure that both of us had a better chance of winning. And what did you do? You spat in my face and turned me in to Spider-Fan.

And look where that got you.

To be completely honest with you C, my mistake was taking Spider-Fan at his word. I really should have known better. I can't remember the exact timeline of how it unfolded, but I should have listened to you. I don't exactly remember 'spitting in your face', I do know that it was toward the beginning of the game, paranoia was high, and everyone was jockeying for control.

If I could do it all over again...I would have listened to you.

 

[Matt]

And your 'neutrality' on who you want to win is laughable at best. As far as personal attacks? I haven't personally attacked him. I attacked him within the realm of the game. I haven't called for the murder of his dog or anything even close to that.

As far as 'me being as bad as he is' and 'hiding behind him all game', with all due respect, you do not know what you're talking about. I'll just leave it there.

Actually I do. Believe it or not, I've followed the game very closely through several players. I know a lot more than you think. You were just as bad. And now that it burned you, you're throwing a hissy fit.

Oh, and you can call my neutrality laughable, but the two finalists know that I am neutral and that's what matters. I have no stake in the game. I think both players did outstanding and this is the best final two I've seen in a long time. I'll give my commentary on their strategies when all is said and done and to be frank, I am happy that I will not be casting a vote, because this is an incredibly difficult decision when you look at it from a neutral perspective without spite. Both players have merits, both have shortcomings, but that is neither here nor there. I shall discuss it after the votes are revealed.

In the mean time, you can keep attacking SF if you want, you can keep coming off as a bitter hypocrit and sore loser. Or you can do the classy thing, end this and move on.

 

[Erzengel]

CC, are you chronicling this?

I sent you the spreadsheet cause you were worthy.

 

[Matt]

Okay, the irony is burning my hand. I have to comment.

*****
Marx,

Spider-Fan didn't betray you. You betrayed yourself.

I offered you an opportunity way back when to take out Spider-Fan, because I KNEW something like this was going to happen. The guy was playing the game too well and establishing alliances too cleanly. If he wasn't stopped early, he was going to steamroll straight ahead to the finals. And that's EXACTLY what he did.

I told you. I told you this would happen. I had no reason to try to manipulate you. I came to you sincerely wanting to ensure that both of us had a better chance of winning. And what did you do? You spat in my face and turned me in to Spider-Fan.

And look where that got you.

I was sad to see you go early as you really got a firm grasp on the strategic aspect and I think, could've really broken out and shook things up down the road. I think you just acted too soon. Fewer players means fewer votes necessary to eliminate someone, which makes it that much easier. After all, its easier to sway 3 people than 5.

Out of curiousity, will you be playing next game?

 

[Alex The Great]

SF a monster because he backstabbed a bunch? ******** I say.

 

[Cmill216]

I was sad to see you go early as you really got a firm grasp on the strategic aspect and I think, could've really broken out and shook things up down the road. I think you just acted too soon. Fewer players means fewer votes necessary to eliminate someone, which makes it that much easier. After all, its easier to sway 3 people than 5.

Out of curiousity, will you be playing next game?

A good point. Although, the plan wasn't just to eliminate SF...

And yes, I will be playing the next game.