I Am Going to Tell Them It Was All Your Idea: The Supporting Cast Thread

[Mindreaper21]

Yes! Now that would be fascinating.

 

[Deck Rickard]

Yes! Now that would be fascinating.

Yeah, I think you would have to do Gilda a little differently if Aubrey were to play her… the whole point of Gilda in The Long Halloween is that you overlook her and never suspect she would do anything wrong. If Aubrey were to play her, you would immediately think, “Something is up with her…” but you could play around with that.

 

[Mindreaper21]

I agree. I’ve said here before that the best way to do the story of Two-Face is to bring back Gilda. I feel as if she’s just as important to Harvey as Nora is to Freeze. Without her, Two-Face is mostly depicted as a mere gangster bank robber. In the animated series (even though she was an alternate version of Gilda), Grace added so much more to his story.

Aubrey is phenomenal and could definitely pull the character off. There really isn’t a back story on Gilda. They could use the original version and TLH as an inspiration, but you can really go in any direction with her character.

 

[Invader Joker]

Really think they shouldn't touch Two-Face origin at all in this incarnation. We're only gonna get 2 more movies, it'd feel like a waste of time to spend time on any of them remixing what was already done perfectly in TDK, even if you add new elements or whatever. Let's focus on other stories.

 

[WayneMB]

done perfectly? wouldn't say all that

 

[Invader Joker]

done perfectly? wouldn't say all that

It was done as perfectly as one could do it in a film.

 

[Mindreaper21]

Really think they shouldn't touch Two-Face origin at all in this incarnation. We're only gonna get 2 more movies, it'd feel like a waste of time to spend time on any of them remixing what was already done perfectly in TDK, even if you add new elements or whatever. Let's focus on other stories.

He was absolutely nowhere near “perfect” in that film. Also, who said that it would even be a remix? There’s other ways to approach his character that would work great for this saga. They don’t even have to spend the entire film telling his origin.

You’re not going to have a Batman detective crime saga that includes Salvatore Maroni, a rising/ongoing gang war, and an empty D.A. slot and not include one of the most important characters in telling that side of the story.

Reeve’s is doing an excellent job in world building and establishing the characters he wants to use so far. 3 films and multiple tv series in between is certainly enough time focus on other storylines.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Dent’s origin in TDK is head and shoulders better than any other version. When Invader and I agree on something it must be true!

TDK does everything TLH does but way better and the animated series origin is great but it’s also something that would be horrendously offensive now, plus the Jekyll and Hyde portrayal of DID is stupid and cheesy on top of being offensive.

 

[Invader Joker]

He was absolutely nowhere near “perfect” in that film. Also, who said that it would even be a remix? There’s other ways to approach his character that would work great for this saga. They don’t even have to spend the entire film telling his origin.

You’re not going to have a Batman detective crime saga that includes Salvatore Maroni, a rising/ongoing gang war, and an empty D.A. slot and not include one of the most important characters in telling that side of the story.

Reeve’s is doing an excellent job in world building and establishing the characters he wants to use so far. 3 films and multiple tv series in between is certainly enough time focus on other storylines.

It is not a rule that just because all those elements are there you /need/ to do Harvey Dent. But even then, I'm not even arguing against having Harvey in the films at all. Just doing the whole Two-Face origin. If they wanted to play around and make it so he's already Two-Face, or he never becomes Two-Face, or they do the Jessica Dent thing maaaaybe there could be something there but it really doesn't matter if they add Gilda or whatever, there are very very specific story beats that the traditional Two-Face origin follows (White knight DA > Partnership with Batman and Gordon > Tragedy > Face burnt off) that's just bound to come across as repetitive from TDK if you put it on a screenplay.

Dent’s origin in TDK is head and shoulders better than any other version. When Invader and I agree on something it must be true!

TDK does everything TLH does but way better and the animated series origin is great but it’s also something that would be horrendously offensive now, plus the Jekyll and Hyde portrayal of DID is stupid and cheesy on top of being offensive.

An idea I guess they could play around is make it like the Gotham by Gaslight animated movie where they use Dent as a red herring. Maybe he becomes a suspect in an investigation or something, and you keep waiting the whole movie to see him crack, and perhaps comment on his DiD with that, but he never does. If they want to make it really dark they can make it so that makes it so he gets attacked and his face burnt off but he just dies from that like in Earth One. Would be interesting meta-commentary on how people with DiD are unfairly maligned. But again I'm really not sure how much I'd actually want to see a good chunk of the next two movies dedicated to that.

 

[Mindreaper21]

Dent’s origin in TDK is head and shoulders better than any other version. When Invader and I agree on something it must be true!

TDK does everything TLH does but way better and the animated series origin is great but it’s also something that would be horrendously offensive now, plus the Jekyll and Hyde portrayal of DID is stupid and cheesy on top of being offensive.

Don’t get me wrong, I’ve always maintained that it was a great performance and it is the best live action version of Harvey. Though I’m a person that will always disagree when something is referred to as “perfect”. Someone will always come about with an idea that will shift someone’s perspective. There are so many elements to Two-Face that have not been explored in live action. That version, without a doubt, can be topped.

@Invader_Joker I get where you’re coming from. I’ve suggested before that Harvey could get scarred in a raid as the opening of the film. I do agree that spending the next film or two trying to tell his origin is unnecessary. Though, I just can’t agree with the TDK origin being “perfect” because there’s too many ways to spin it.

 

[Sawyer]

If, for whatever reason, Reeves wants to work in the actual Henri Ducard character at some point…

Vincent Cassel

 

[Tg11]

If, for whatever reason, Reeves wants to work in the actual Henri Ducard character at some point…

Vincent Cassel

If they make Henri Ducard Ra's Al Ghul again like they did in the Nolanverse...then Vincent Cassel would actually be perfect

 

[Mindreaper21]

No lie, if they wanted to go with a middle-aged Scarecrow, I could definitely see Vince taking the role. I hope that Matt can bring him into this series in general, because he would fit very well.

 

[RokMeAmadeus]

We will probably find out his name is Robin soon

"Ah, ****, here we go again"

 

[Tg11]

Or how about they bring in Barbara Gordon

 

[Babillygunn]

If they make Henri Ducard Ra's Al Ghul again like they did in the Nolanverse...then Vincent Cassel would actually be perfect

If they make Henri Ducard Ra’s Al Ghul again…they will be making a royal clustercuss.

Nolan proved his worth as a filmmaker by taking an amazing character like Ras and gutting him of everything that makes him so interesting and good and still making my favorite bat-film despite it.

 

[Sawyer]

There’s a decent chance that Reeves actually had ****-all to do with the Caped Crusader casting, but I’m just going to tell myself that Hamish Linklater voicing Batman means that Matt has Mike Flanagan folks on his radar. Would love to see some in Part II.

 

[routhman]

Hard to know if any of the old rumors hold any accuracy, but if Julie Madison is in the mix, I’m putting Eve Hewson‘s name out there. We need all the Irish in this series that we can get.

Hnngh.

 

[routhman]

But Bullock is not corrupt. He’s actually probably the least corrupt cop on the force. His biggest beef with Jim is that Jim works with a vigilante, which Bullock sees as hypocritical.

Bullock may be jaded and cynical, but he ironically probably has the straightest moral compass in all of Gotham.

Is John Goodman too old for Bullock at 72? I’d love to hear that voice and see that big-old-bear-of-a-man chomping on a cigar. He can totally play angry and jaded but moral.

 

[Babillygunn]

Is John Goodman too old for Bullock at 72? I’d love to hear that voice and see that big-old-bear-of-a-man chomping on a cigar. He can totally play angry and jaded but moral.

Goodman is textbook for that role. The problem is that I can suspend disbelief that a traumatized rich kid can dress like a bat and fight crime or that clowns can be the most dangerous crime bosses in that cesspool of a city, but I simply cannot buy a jaded and cynical cop who gets hazard retirement after 20 years, still being on the force at 72 years old.

 

[J.Drangal]

I've often thought of Vincent D'Onofrio for Bullock, but I also feel it would be a waste of his talent, as the pairing seems too obvious.
But I'd love to see this actor somewhere around Batman one day. I think he's already expressed an interest in the license in the past actually.

 

[BobJM]

I still like Joplin Sibtain, 54 from Andor as Bullock:

 

[Sawyer]

I honestly don’t know if I’ve thought about it before and just forgot or what, but Theo James as Harvey Dent just feels right to me. Perhaps in a more initially antagonistic interpretation than Nolan’s golden boy version of the character. After The White Lotus, I feel like he could pull it off.

 

[BobJM]

I honestly don’t know if I’ve thought about it before and just forgot or what, but Theo James as Harvey Dent just feels right to me. Perhaps in a more initially antagonistic interpretation than Nolan’s golden boy version of the character. After The White Lotus, I feel like he could pull it off.

Not bad at all; definitely could see him as a Harvey more akin to his portrayal in Caped Crusader.

 

[Sawyer]

Rewatching The Leftovers and feeling like Amy Brenneman as Leslie Thompkins is a choice I could get on board with.