Sequels I feel sad.

Aloha,
There was a time when internet fans were taken seriously regarding how Super hero movies were made. Here's why I think that has changed.
Imagine, the first Spider-Man movie holds several records for generating revenue such as
Opening Day
Single Day
Opening Weekend
First $100 Million+ Opening Weekend
Top Summer Season Opening
Top May Opening Weekend
Top Second Weekend
Top Third Weekend
Fastest to $100 Million
Fastest to $200 Million
Fastest to $300 Million
4-day Opening
5-day Opening
6-day Opening
Opening Week (7-day)
8-day Opening
9-day Opening
10-day Opening
Top PG-13 Rated Opening
Opening Wide Weekend Theater Average
Wide Weekend Theater Average
Widest Release
Top Grossing Movie of 2002
Biggest Opening Weekend of 2002

Total Domestic Cume $403.7 Million

Total World wide Cume $821.7 Million

33 % of total franchise


The second Spider-Man movie broke records for

Opening Day
Opening Wednesday
Fastest to $200 Million
Top July Opening Weekend
4-day Opening
5-day Opening
6-day Opening
Opening Week (7-day)
8-day Opening
9-day Opening
10-day Opening

The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences in 2005 awarded the Oscars for Best Visual Effects to John Dykstra, Scott Stokdyk, Anthony LaMolinara and John Frazier for Spider-Man 2! John Dykstra accepted the award.

Total Domestic Cume $373.6 Million

Total World wide Cume $783.8 Million

31.5 % of total franchise


PREDICTION

Spider-Man 3 will break all records within the Spider-Man movie franchise!

As of July 4, 2007

It's records are

Opening Day
Single Day
Single Worldwide Day
Friday Gross
Saturday Gross
Sunday Gross
Opening Weekend
Top Summer Season Opening
Top May Opening Weekend
Overseas Opening
Worldwide Opening
Top PG-13 Rated Opening
Top 3-day Opening
Top 4-day Opening
Fastest to $100 Million
3-day Opening
Opening Wide Weekend Theater Average
Widest Opening Weekend
Widest Release


Total Domestic Cume $334 Million

Total World wide Cume $882.8 Million

35.5% of total franchise

Of the three Spidey movies,SM3 has 35.5% of the total,yet you have someone saying IT Sucked!
Nobody with any authority at Sony or Marvel takes a person who says that seriously.Of course you have the right to say it, but it makes you look like a complete fool.Of all of the Super hero movies made so far, Raimi is the most sucessful director. I personally think someone should do the next trilogy.But they have got to read More Spidey comics than Raimi and attempt to improve upon what Raimi has done.I could also go with a new cast.The Ditko Spider-Man was a coming of age character and kind of dorky and TM played that well. But the Romita Spider-Man was handsome and very confident. We need another actor to portray that Peter Parker/Spider-Man. Looking forward to SM4.
Spidey rules
 
That's what I've been saying, it would appear that the Spider-Man films seem to be a victim of their own success. Who's going to listen to anyone when you're making this much loot. Why should you try something new and different, if you're making this much loot?

And I agree with having a new director and cast for SM4, a non-nerdy Peter Parker approach, and a more adult oriented film would work best for SM4.

However, I do like the idea that they are letting someone outside of their comfort zone, write the story and choose a different direction for Spider-Man 4. So I give Sony/Marvel points for that. Let's hope that he digs deep in the comics, and writes with his balls attached. Personally, I can't wait to hear from screenwriter James Vanderbilt about his direction and what he's doing differently within SM4.
 
I'm not concerned about the fate of Spider-Man 4. So what if the cast and director don't return? We all knew that they were signed on for 3 films, so I started getting use to that in the early stages of Spider-Man 3. I tend to think of it as a positive thing, perhaps there is another director and set of actors that bring some light to the Spider-Man movie franchise. Until I see actually footage or announcements on who's attached, I'll just put it aside.
 
While Spider-Man 3 isn't close to being as awesome as the first two (well, in my opinion), I don't think it's a horrible movie by ANY means. I really like Spider-Man 3, and I don't think it deserves the trashing that it receives. The movie unfortunately suffered from one of the biggest hypes in movie history: the hype was so massive, and when the movie didn't meet expectations, there was overwhelming hate.

I'm not "in denial" or anything ... I'll fully recognize that Spider-Man 3 is the worst of the trilogy. Does that mean it's a horrible movie, though? Well, in my opinion, hell no. Not by a long shot!

webhead731, you are not the only one who is worried about Spider-Man 4. If Raimi and the original cast won't return, my faith in how the movie turns out won't be so strong.
 
Of the three Spidey movies,SM3 has 35.5% of the total,yet you have someone saying IT Sucked!
Nobody with any authority at Sony or Marvel takes a person who says that seriously.Of course you have the right to say it, but it makes you look like a complete fool

The amount a movie makes has nothing to do with the quality of the films.
Everyone wanted to see Spidey 3 because of the insane trailer they had (it still rocks my socks) and the addition of Venom as a character.

Also, it is very easy to get caught up in the hype of a film. I have no stats to back up this assertion im about to make, but I think, after the dust settled and people really looked at spidey 3 did they realise what a crap fest it was (I know I did)

If we are going to judge based upon Box Office, like you very much imply, then "Meet the Spartans" is better than Fight Club...Fantastic 4 is better than alot of movies, etc
Big Budget and Big grossing doesnt not equal quality.
 
Yeah, but the killing of Venom made it all worth while for me, I've waited 20 years for someone to have the balls take that sucker out. :woot:

Then again, I don't happen to think Batman Begins, SM1 or SM2 was anything to brag about either after the hype cleared. You're not going to like every Spidey movie, period. Hell, most people don't even like the comic books now. It seems quality is in the eyes of the beholder. God only knows how many times people have said the first Spider-Man was crap or mediocre on these boards. I think I've counted a billion times, lol. They sure as hell wasn't screaming 'QUALITY,' they were too busy counting mistakes, damning each scene, and wanting to behead Sam Raimi.

The amount a movie makes has nothing to do with the quality of the films.
And yet, you MoFos keep showing up in record numbers with every release. Way to show Sony/Marvel that you disapprove and that the movie doesn't meet your standards of quality. :dry:
 
Bigger budget, or more gross income of the film doesn't necessarily mean a better film. When SM2 came out...there really wasn't much hype...but only in the fact that it was the sequel is why people came out. And to be honest, SM2 was simply amazing, especially when we got to explore Parker coping with the fact he was Spider-man and making choices. It's the reason why the Batman franchise is doing so well right now. It's the key to making a good superhero film: when we can connect with the hero on a personal level.

I got lost in the hype too for SM3 unfortunately, and I had a look of confusion on my face when I left the theater. It was a movie that was destined to be amazing....and was the worst of the trilogy so far. When you have one villain, he needs to be developed. When you have two villains, they both need to be really developed. And when you have three villains...you shouldn't have a butler who knew about Harry's Father wait until the end of the third film to tell Harry what happened, and who was Harry's butler. It's like having an old man come up to you off the street and say,"That ketchup stain on the back of your pants from a year ago isn't Heinz...It's Hunt's...thought you should know" and walks away slowly.:lmao:

But don't worry everyone...we're going to get SM4 simply because of the gross income of SM3...maybe a 5 and 6 as well...but I think there will be a significant drop in the amount of money the films will generate...simply because of how much of a letdown SM3 turned out to be. Not to say that it wasn't somewhat good...but it was far from great.
 
I'm not worried about the fourth Spider-Man film.

Don't be afraid of change, for sometimes change can be a good thing.

Face it, not every Spider-Man film for the rest of time can have Sam Raimi as director and the same exact cast. Both Raimi and the cast need to, and will want to, move on and do different things.

There's over forty years of Spider-Man comic books to draw from! It would be fun to see another writer and director come in with a new cast and show us their take on the character.

Raimi and Co. had three films to tell their story, and they did. It was wrapped up perfectly, and it's the perfect place to start a new story with a new group of people behind it.

I'm not saying I don't want Raimi and Co. back, because that would be fine too. I'm just saying I don't think everyone should jump to conclusions and fear for the fourth film just because they're not doing it. Sam Raimi isn't the only director who can direct a Spider-Man film, Tobey Maguire isn't the only actor who can play Spider-Man, and Kirsten Dunst isn't the only actress who can play Mary-Jane, and so on and so forth for the other characters.
 
You'd think that with Spider-Man 3 getting a huge budget, Sam Raimi would've spent a bit more time with the effects and the battles which only lasted a minute until the final battle and even that was horrendous...Sandman being a ******ed giant, and then fly away; Venom being just ******ed and being kicked easily by both Spidey and Harry even when Venom is supposed to be such a tough foe in the third one. Harry should've wore the mask which was the only cool part about his suit. And Spidey was just a lame loser.
 
You'd think that with Spider-Man 3 getting a huge budget, Sam Raimi would've spent a bit more time with the effects and the battles which only lasted a minute until the final battle and even that was horrendous...Sandman being a ******ed giant, and then fly away; Venom being just ******ed and being kicked easily by both Spidey and Harry even when Venom is supposed to be such a tough foe in the third one. Harry should've wore the mask which was the only cool part about his suit. And Spidey was just a lame loser.

Your ignorance is unparalleled.
 
The amount a movie makes has nothing to do with the quality of the films.
Everyone wanted to see Spidey 3 because of the insane trailer they had (it still rocks my socks) and the addition of Venom as a character.

Also, it is very easy to get caught up in the hype of a film. I have no stats to back up this assertion im about to make, but I think, after the dust settled and people really looked at spidey 3 did they realise what a crap fest it was (I know I did)

If we are going to judge based upon Box Office, like you very much imply, then "Meet the Spartans" is better than Fight Club...Fantastic 4 is better than alot of movies, etc
Big Budget and Big grossing doesnt not equal quality.


Aloha,
One of the reasons that Marvel/Sony and any other film company has NO REASON to take people like you seriously. They're not making ART FILMS, they're making films that sell and sell BIG. I don't think Titanic is the greatest movie ever made, but it's the highest grossing movie ever made and that's what Hollywood is all about. Quality will always be in the eyes of the beholder, but when you get ready to shop a movie to the Hollywood powers that be, they're not going to ask you what it's artist value is or whether or not the movie is going to remain true to the book( which btw Hollywood rarely sticks to the book), they're going to ask, HOW MUCH WILL IT COST AND HOW MUCH WILL IT MAKE? If it can't make more than it cost, it's not going to be given the green light. The Spider-Man trilogy is the most sucessful Super Hero franchise in Hollywood history.That's why there will be a 4,5 and 6. Also, due to the internet and the insatiable appetitie of some, by the time a movie comes out, some folks have become brain dead. They've seen every spoiler,every phoney spoiler and heard every rumor. None of which has anything to do with the actual movie.Let's face it-fan boys will always be important-but no where near as important in the bottom line of super hero movies as they think they should be.
Spidey rules
 
I really did like Spider-Man 3, it's highly underrated. But it still surprises me alot of people didn't like this film.
Now they want to make a Spider-Man 4? I hear Raimi isn't coming back?

Considering what he did to Venom I'm glad they'll start fresh with a new director. What was he thinking? He did the sloppiest job of research on the character I've ever seen. Was it really too much t call Marvel and ask them about Eddie Brock's history and especially the fact he's not a Jr. His dad is Carl Brock not Sr. :cmad:
 
Considering what he did to Venom I'm glad they'll start fresh with a new director. What was he thinking? He did the sloppiest job of research on the character I've ever seen. Was it really too much t call Marvel and ask them about Eddie Brock's history and especially the fact he's not a Jr. His dad is Carl Brock not Sr. :cmad:

The movie version was an amalgam of 616 Eddie and Ultimate Eddie. The name "Eddie Brock Jr." was taken from the Ultimate version.
 
Like I care about the opinion of someone who's obsessed with Spider-Man.

:whatever:

Wrong again. My only obsession is running. But thanks for proving my whole "You're unbelievably ignorant" point again. :woot:
 
Wrong again. My only obsession is running. But thanks for proving my whole "You're unbelievably ignorant" point again. :woot:


Your ignorance is bliss by replying my post, YET AGAIN. When I do this: :whatever:, it means, just let it go and move on. Do something worth while and go running or something, dang.

Even though I'm probably faster, ha.
 
hold on a 2009 realease what in the freakin world thats way to soon
 
Considering what he did to Venom I'm glad they'll start fresh with a new director. What was he thinking? He did the sloppiest job of research on the character I've ever seen. Was it really too much t call Marvel and ask them about Eddie Brock's history and especially the fact he's not a Jr. His dad is Carl Brock not Sr. :cmad:


thank you sombody understands that venom was messed up in the movie i mean come on, why even go through all the trouble putting venom in the movie when your only gonna kill him off as soon as he gets there wtf
 
Venom really could have been done much better. Some of the changes Raimi took with him I liked, but mostly it just felt rushed and unfinished. I was dissapointed, because he could have taken this chance and made Venom's character better, but instead he just kind of did a "meh" job on him.
 
howitshouldhaveended.com pretty much sums up my feelings on Spiderman 3 in their animated short. Many of you have seen in, if you haven't, I 'd watch it.
 
howitshouldhaveended.com pretty much sums up my feelings on Spiderman 3 in their animated short. Many of you have seen in, if you haven't, I 'd watch it.

I remember watching that awhile back. Does a really good job.

Of course, its not the only compliants i have about the film
 

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