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I Just Read Dark Knight Strikes Again...

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And I honestly preffer it to DKR. DKR was about half great, half crap, but this book kept me entertained the whole way through. It was like All Star Batman in his 60's. Green Arrow and Questions interaction was hillarious, the Superchix were hillarious, the Superman story was actually compelling and interesting, Green Lantern was a bad ass (and I f**king HATE the Green Lantern usually), Joker-Grayson was a crazy idea that I think somehow managed to work. It was great, I loved it.
 
eh.. sorry, but no. This book is undefendable. Miller got a lots of money for it, but it's just a mess. It is sometimes funny and crazy, that's all about it. All these things are just thrown in without any sense.
 
And I honestly preffer it to DKR. DKR was about half great, half crap, but this book kept me entertained the whole way through. It was like All Star Batman in his 60's. Green Arrow and Questions interaction was hillarious, the Superchix were hillarious, the Superman story was actually compelling and interesting, Green Lantern was a bad ass (and I f**king HATE the Green Lantern usually), Joker-Grayson was a crazy idea that I think somehow managed to work. It was great, I loved it.

Wow.That's a first.

DK2 is not as bad as folks have made it out to be, but in no way does it even come close to DKR.
 
The difference between the original Dark Knight returns and the DK2 to me was that DKR was a fully realized and complete story that knew from the first panel where it was going. All good legends and myths must have a final act that completes them. Robin Hood, poisoned be Maid Marian shoots the arrow that finds his final resting point. Arthur sails off to Avalon to return at the time of Britain's need. These provide both closure and renewal to a character and an idea, and in some cases an era. DKR accomplished this by having Batman waiting to come on stage for one final act. His disappearance at the end provided hope for the future. Myths and legends also must reflect and resonate the time in which they are written. DKR was a reflection of Miller's view of the state of the world at the time he wrote it . By reading it, even if you didn't agree with it, you were forced to examine the real world and your place in it.

DK2, on the other hand tries to resolve the hope left at the end of DKR and by so doing diminishes it. There is never really any further development of the themes of DKR beyond that of "ultimate power corrupting ultimately". BY shoehorning Luthor and Brainiac into the plot the currency of its reflection of our times is lost. In DKR, the fear came out of the fact that the events were put in motion by "real" people, or at least Miller's reflection of them. In DK2, we have the standard comic book plot of evil villains teaming up to manipulate the world to their own ends. It was hardly groundbreaking.

In DKR, there was a linear quality to the story. Its focus, although not immediately revealed, was apparent throughout. It's why the enjoyment of reading it does not diminish with time but actually increases. Knowing how the story proceeds allows you to appreciate even more the elements that get you there.

DK2, on the other hand doesn't have that focus. It tries too hard to include random elements and tie up loose ends. It's inclusion of the original Robin in his new incarnation is a perfect example. A passing reference to an unknown fate of Grayson in DKR is turned into a extraneous incident in DK2 with weak motivation and exposition to back it up. It would have been far more satisfying to have Dick Grayson introduced earlier and developed as an actual character with understandable motivations, then to have a caricature of him summarily disposed of. It seemed like his inclusion was to provide a threat to the new Robin and answer the question as to his fate. The story would not have suffered at all if this entire subplot had been eliminated.

Finally, I found the artwork disappointing. In DKR, the power of Batman as more an idea and will than an actual man was apparent from his dominance of every panel he was in. The Bat symbol became a totem of his idealism and power. Certain images still haunt me: Superman shriveled to a husk; Bruce hunched over the wheel of his race car; Batman exploding onto the scene in full costume. In DK2, the art appeared hurried and unfinished, almost as if it was a not quite complete draft. It conveyed what was happening but no more.

Anything Frank Miller does is going to be worth reading, but he himself set the bar high with DKR ; Batman - Year One, and his work on Daredevil. While I applaud his attempt to continue the story I'm disappointed in the result.
 
I think it's cool that Joker has a different opinion, and was willing to share it.

That said, it's been awhile since I read DKSA, but I didn't find it to be very bad at all. Very different and irreverant, but that's Miller.
 
The difference between the original Dark Knight returns and the DK2 to me was that DKR was a fully realized and complete story that knew from the first panel where it was going. .

I doubt that. Please read the first two issues and you'll realise that it plays in another world than the last ones. Frank Miller startet, but then he was influenced by Watchmen so he changed the story for the last issues.
 
Respect your opinion Mr. J, but can't agree here. DKSA was bad to me, real bad. I just couldn't get into it. It felt like Frank just slapped some garbage together for the money to capitalize off of the first one.
 
Joker-Grayson was the only part of it I enjoyed.
 
So many Jokers on this board...i'm getting confused again...gotta take my meds is all.
 
Dark Knight Strikes Again is alright. But the artwork and coloring is terrible.
 
With the exception of the twist with Robin turning into a psychopathic killer, I thought it was a pretty good story. Was it needed for DKR? No. But it was an entertaining, twisted ride.

I actually thought it was cool, seeing Batman as a freedom fighter. It was cool to see his interactions with other heroes, too, and to see Miller write, essentially, a twisted version of the Justice League. I actually would like to see him do a Question story and, surprising enough, Captain Marvel.
 
I think a Question/Green Arrow mini-series set in the DKR/DKSA universe could be about the greatest thing since Green Lantern/Green Arrow back in the day...same basic concept just taken to a totally new level and all
 
I'm with you Joker... I prefer it too, but DKR still has a more important place in my heart.
 
I doubt that. Please read the first two issues and you'll realise that it plays in another world than the last ones. Frank Miller startet, but then he was influenced by Watchmen so he changed the story for the last issues.

What's your source for this statement?
 
What's your source for this statement?

Read it. For example, in the first issue the newsreporter mentions that the Batman has suddenly vanished and he hopes he's alive shares a drink with a good friend. Then in issue #3 we learn that the superheroes were banned (nothing about this was mentioned before). So the newsreporter has no reason to speculate. He must know it.
 
Read it. For example, in the first issue the newsreporter mentions that the Batman has suddenly vanished and he hopes he's alive shares a drink with a good friend. Then in issue #3 we learn that the superheroes were banned (nothing about this was mentioned before). So the newsreporter has no reason to speculate. He must know it.

First of all, that's not a source it's your interpretation. Secondly I don't believe it is representative of the material.

In the first issue, the reference to Batman having vanished was on the occasion of the 10th anniversary of that disappearance. Then in the third issue the reference to the superheroes being banned was from the internal monologue Superman was having with Batman. To summarize it, Superman says that Batman retired before the government took action against the superheroes and that it was his actions which probably gave rise to the drive to have the superheroes controlled. That then lead to Superman being
licensed by the government as the price for him continuing to operate.

I still stand by my original point. Read the first issue and the last issue, except for understanding some of the details, a person would be able to derive the main themes of the story from just those two books.
 
I think a Question/Green Arrow mini-series set in the DKR/DKSA universe could be about the greatest thing since Green Lantern/Green Arrow back in the day...same basic concept just taken to a totally new level and all

The big difference being that the one opposite Green Arrow actually has a personality. :o

And I would buy that in a nanosecond, along with a Miller-written Captain Marvel mini-series. :up:
 
I would love for Frank Miller and Geof Darrow to get together and play with some superheroes.
 
First of all, that's not a source it's your interpretation. Secondly I don't believe it is representative of the material.

John Byrne stated this in his message board.

In the first issue, the reference to Batman having vanished was on the occasion of the 10th anniversary of that disappearance. Then in the third issue the reference to the superheroes being banned was from the internal monologue Superman was having with Batman. To summarize it, Superman says that Batman retired before the government took action against the superheroes and that it was his actions which probably gave rise to the drive to have the superheroes controlled.

Yes. And Mr. Miller wrote this to FIX this thing. It was kind of a retcon.

I still stand by my original point. Read the first issue and the last issue, except for understanding some of the details, a person would be able to derive the main themes of the story from just those two books.

Frank Miller is a writer who changes many things during he works on something.
 
I would have enjoyed TDKR far more if bruce had stayed dead at the end.
 
I would have enjoyed TDKR far more if bruce had stayed dead at the end.
but that that kills the king arther thing mentioned earlier, which i thought was very true to the nature of batman.
 

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