Superman Returns I wanted Superman in "Returns" to be REJECTED by the World that he left!!!

[boywonder13]

One thing that got me hyped for this movie is when the first synopsis given by a scooper that superman has been gone for several years and the world has learned to live without Superman, and also reject them.

Like when he saved the plane, i wanted the people to be silent, i wanted Superman to feel awkward, and to fly away, maybe someone before he flies says Why did you leave us?

Also it seems like there was no villains causing chaos in between, i would have loved if like a quarter of Metropolis has been destoyed or something. and now luthor has created his own task force to police the streets without Superman.

Lois was the only one who didnt want Superman back, hell, Luthor even wanted him back.

thats what hooked me onto to seeing this movie, the premise seemeed so briliant and fresh. I wanted to see Superman having to redeem himself in the eyes of the people of Earth.

This movie could have truly been the greates superhero movie ever, but they ruined it, what a waste of 20 years of development hell!!!!

PS: I still enjoy the movie i would give 7/10, Begins i would give a 8.5/9ish

 

[matthooper]

You pinpointed one of many dissapointments and letdowns, and probably my biggest as well. Another one was New Krypton. They did nothing with that. It was a big rock. How about New Krypton with all it's natural wonders, animals, and technology. It turned out to be a big rock with freakin' kryptonite on it. Another huge letdown.

I knew from the trailers that there was no supervillian, and I accepted that. I just expected so much more good stuff to make up for that.

 

[afan]

Like when he saved the plane, i wanted the people to be silent, i wanted Superman to feel awkward, and to fly away, maybe someone before he flies says Why did you leave us?

See that's a flaw in the premise.

It wouldn't "feel" right.

Would you really expect 50-60+thousand people(counting the games attendees) to be miserable after their lives have been saved!!!??? .



I don't know if you're into sports, but any athlete, no matter how long they may have been in a slump, or prolonged period of non- production will still recieve a standing "O" for a big momentous play.

Lois' resentment springs from betrayal on a level of personal intimacy that the world simply cannot share.

 

[dark_b]

they were saying that the movie is about superman returnging to metropolis while the world has learned to survive without him

 

[Super Kal]

well, whatever the reason, they didn't show that.

 

[matthooper]

Singer is not a bad storyteller. I have a feeling that the studio pressured him to ditch all that stuff about the consequences of leaving. We know for a fact that this kind of stuff was supposed to be part of the film.

Singer loves to show his characters feeling of isolation. Imagine the isolation Superman would have felt if the world had truly moved on, then resented his leaving. Imagine the amazing feeling we would have felt when he won the world back.

Singer chose to go this route about leaving and feeling like a lost man in our world. However nothing interesting or imaginative was explored. No consequences, no struggle, just an empty story.

 

[afan]

Imagine the isolation Superman would have felt if the world had truly moved on

Exactly what would this entail......the world moved on prior to Superman, moved on during his stay, and would continue on it's familiar pace if he dissappered. Governments would still oppress, people would die in disasters, murders would be every bit as common, with or without Superman.

Superman is not and should not be a mover and shaker in the worlds day to day happenstance. The world is quite capable of managing itself, and Superman purposefully does not want the world to become addicted to his aid.

I really don't understand the premise that the world would suffer intolerably during his abscence, aside from the lack of the occasional super-rescue, it would be business as usual for the world and human-kind. When he embarked on his journey do we imagine that the world was a utopian garden of eden due to his presence, and that his departure a dark ages like sentence of doom for the Earth?

In order to resent one must first blame, would the world blame Superman for ongoing natural disasters, loss of life, and accidents; events that by the way occurred even when he was around?

This is why the premise of global resentment is flawed.

Now whether Superman upon returning would resent himself and blame himself for his ill-advised time off world is another matter. That IMO is where the unexplored meat of the story lay.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

See that's a flaw in the premise.

It wouldn't "feel" right.

Would you really expect 50-60+thousand people(counting the games attendees) to be miserable after their lives have been saved!!!??? .



I don't know if you're into sports, but any athlete, no matter how long they may have been in a slump, or prolonged period of non- production will still recieve a standing "O" for a big momentous play.

Lois' resentment springs from betrayal on a level of personal intimacy that the world simply cannot share.

Exactly, people are not going to sit there in silence after Superman saved everyone on the plane and possibly everyone in the stadium as well.

I mean, it would have been good if SOME people rejected him, but not all would have, as, as Superman said, everyday people cry for a saviour.

 

[darthbakpao]

One thing that got me hyped for this movie is when the first synopsis given by a scooper that superman has been gone for several years and the world has learned to live without Superman, and also reject them.

Like when he saved the plane, i wanted the people to be silent, i wanted Superman to feel awkward, and to fly away, maybe someone before he flies says Why did you leave us?

Also it seems like there was no villains causing chaos in between, i would have loved if like a quarter of Metropolis has been destoyed or something. and now luthor has created his own task force to police the streets without Superman.

Lois was the only one who didnt want Superman back, hell, Luthor even wanted him back.

thats what hooked me onto to seeing this movie, the premise seemeed so briliant and fresh. I wanted to see Superman having to redeem himself in the eyes of the people of Earth.

This movie could have truly been the greates superhero movie ever, but they ruined it, what a waste of 20 years of development hell!!!!

PS: I still enjoy the movie i would give 7/10, Begins i would give a 8.5/9ish

spot on, my thought exactly

when i first learned of the synopsis i was imagining an epic superhero movie, a fallen saviour returns to redeem himself

 

[Dr. Fate]

It should take more than saving one plane to win back the love of a world Superman blatantly ignored and abandoned just to suit his own agenda.

 

[mego joe]

Exactly what would this entail......the world moved on prior to Superman, moved on during his stay, and would continue on it's familiar pace if he dissappered. Governments would still oppress, people would die in disasters, murders would be every bit as common, with or without Superman.

Superman is not and should not be a mover and shaker in the worlds day to day happenstance. The world is quite capable of managing itself, and Superman purposefully does not want the world to become addicted to his aid.

I really don't understand the premise that the world would suffer intolerably during his abscence, aside from the lack of the occasional super-rescue, it would be business as usual for the world and human-kind. When he embarked on his journey do we imagine that the world was a utopian garden of eden due to his presence, and that his departure a dark ages like sentence of doom for the Earth?

In order to resent one must first blame, would the world blame Superman for ongoing natural disasters, loss of life, and accidents; events that by the way occurred even when he was around?

This is why the premise of global resentment is flawed.

Now whether Superman upon returning would resent himself and blame himself for his ill-advised time off world is another matter. That IMO is where the unexplored meat of the story lay.

... and a nice argument for why SUperman would have let the world know that he was leaving and why. The world will continue on, but it would have given the people the idea that he cared enough to fill them in on his important mission.

Remember in the Supergirl movie when it is explained on the radio that SUperman is off world on a space mission?

 

[superbaby]

silly you all, this is singer's superman story. he has all the right to do what he wanna do. don't like it? move on to something else. don't keep on complaining.
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that's how the sr liker would tell you.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^I'm an SR liker and i didnt say that!

 

[afan]

... and a nice argument for why SUperman would have let the world know that he was leaving and why. The world will continue on, but it would have given the people the idea that he cared enough to fill them in on his important mission.

Remember in the Supergirl movie when it is explained on the radio that SUperman is off world on a space mission?

Ya know you don't really have to make an argument for that, it is what Superman would do, PERIOD.
The need for an argument exists to rationalize why he wouldn't.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Ya know you don't really have to make an argument for that, it is what Superman would do, PERIOD.
The need for an argument exists to rationalize why he wouldn't.

I personally think he didnt because it would give the criminals of the world more incentive to commit crime IMO. But i think we have had this argument before Afan and you didnt agree.

 

[X-Maniac]

I personally think he didnt because it would give the criminals of the world more incentive to commit crime IMO. But i think we have had this argument before Afan and you didnt agree.

The movie never presented that argument, only Clark explaining to Lois why Superman might leave without explaining.

In my view, it would have been better if she had known Superman was gone and was covering for Clark's absence (knowing the two were the same person), rather than the thing about Mrs Kent sending postcards purporting to be from Clark's travels (wonder how she managed making the stamps and postmarks look convincing!)

In any case, Superman is not responsible for protecting the entire world and is incapable of doing so. All we did see was Clark seeing war and destruction on the TV news and observing that the world had gone to hell in his absence anyway - not that he is capable of stopping war.

I'd have liked to have seen that Krypton exploration sequence and Clark crash-landing to earth as the opening, then Mrs Kent explaining (or showing newspapers) that Lex was free from prison and had somehow swindled an elderly widow out of her fortune. As Superman journeyed to Krypton we could have seen an overlayered audio/visual montage of Lex's ploy to send Superman to Krypton, Superman saying goodbye to Lois, Lex getting the widow to sign the will. It was rather bizarre that Lois was unaware that Krypton's remains had been discovered, as she works in the media and that story would have been well-publicised.

Personally, for all the careful crafting and production quality that went into this movie, there were mistakes made and I feel Bryan was somewhat out of his depth with the character, the story, the production and the editing. He was much better with X-Men where things seemed tighter, smoother, more controlled.

 

[Qwerty©]

silly you all, this is singer's superman story. he has all the right to do what he wanna do. don't like it? move on to something else. don't keep on complaining.
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that's how the sr liker would tell you.

I'm not going to criticize someone for wanting more.

I didn't expect you to understand any viewpoint other than your own, anyway.

 

[Jack O Lantern]

Apparently in the script there was to be a scene in which Superman visted Ground Zero and thought "could I have stopped this?"

As for the world resnting him that would be rather selfish of the world imo. Superman gave his services to the world out of kindness not duty, the fact that he would need to then redeem himself for following a personal pursuit is disgusting

 

[superbaby]

Apparently in the script there was to be a scene in which Superman visted Ground Zero and thought "could I have stopped this?"

As for the world resnting him that would be rather selfish of the world imo. Superman gave his services to the world out of kindness not duty, the fact that he would need to then redeem himself for following a personal pursuit is disgusting

that is very sensitive.. glad that it was scratched away.

 

[mego joe]

Ya know you don't really have to make an argument for that, it is what Superman would do, PERIOD.
The need for an argument exists to rationalize why he wouldn't.

This is exactly why we see eye-to-eye on Superman and SUperman Returns. To me this goes to the deeper understanding of the complete character.

And that lack of argument to rationalize why Superman did or did not do things in SR is one of the reasons it characterizes Superman so incorrectly and contributes to it's being a poorly made film.

 

[afan]

This is exactly why we see eye-to-eye on Superman and SUperman Returns. To me this goes to the deeper understanding of the complete character.

And that lack of argument to rationalize why Superman did or did not do things in SR is one of the reasons it characterizes Superman so incorrectly and contributes to it's being a poorly made film.

Exactly.
Arguments are being made to support almost every plot-point involving the main characters motivations in SR. To me this is indicative of incorrect characterizations thruout the film.

Supporters of the film by making arguments that attempt to explain and justify behaviours in SR are in fact inadvertantly supporting the claim that the charcters are not true to their core.

I personally think he didnt because it would give the criminals of the world more incentive to commit crime IMO. But i think we have had this argument before Afan and you didnt agree.

Yup, we agree to disagree, but the discussions were always in a much appreciated respectable tone.

A question for you.....
It is not unusual for Superman to journey off world on missions, I know from your posts that you've invested time reading many Superman books since SR, so I am assuming that you recognize and accept that facet of the character.

Given that, do you find it acceptable that, under the crime spree premise you propose, Superman would always leave on such missions un-announced?

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

The movie never presented that argument, only Clark explaining to Lois why Superman might leave without explaining.

In my view, it would have been better if she had known Superman was gone and was covering for Clark's absence (knowing the two were the same person), rather than the thing about Mrs Kent sending postcards purporting to be from Clark's travels (wonder how she managed making the stamps and postmarks look convincing!)

In any case, Superman is not responsible for protecting the entire world and is incapable of doing so. All we did see was Clark seeing war and destruction on the TV news and observing that the world had gone to hell in his absence anyway - not that he is capable of stopping war.

I'd have liked to have seen that Krypton exploration sequence and Clark crash-landing to earth as the opening, then Mrs Kent explaining (or showing newspapers) that Lex was free from prison and had somehow swindled an elderly widow out of her fortune. As Superman journeyed to Krypton we could have seen an overlayered audio/visual montage of Lex's ploy to send Superman to Krypton, Superman saying goodbye to Lois, Lex getting the widow to sign the will. It was rather bizarre that Lois was unaware that Krypton's remains had been discovered, as she works in the media and that story would have been well-publicised.

Personally, for all the careful crafting and production quality that went into this movie, there were mistakes made and I feel Bryan was somewhat out of his depth with the character, the story, the production and the editing. He was much better with X-Men where things seemed tighter, smoother, more controlled.

I dont think it needed to X-Maniac, as it is pretty obvious and would happen with any hero leaving their city/world. Just look at Spiderman 2, were after quitting, Peter sees a paper which states 'Crime up by 75%.' It would happen if any hero quit or left for a long time IMO.

Yup, we agree to disagree, but the discussions were always in a much appreciated respectable tone.

A question for you.....
It is not unusual for Superman to journey off world on missions, I know from your posts that you've invested time reading many Superman books since SR, so I am assuming that you recognize and accept that facet of the character.

Given that, do you find it acceptable that, under the crime spree premise you propose, Superman would always leave on such missions un-announced?

It would depend on the situation IMO, in 'For Tomorrow' when Superman leaves for the Phantom Zone, he doesnt announce anything to anyone then, and he doesnt know how long he will be away does he? Yet, in other situations, were for example, Superman has supposedly been dying from some virus, then, yes he has announced it to the world and all of his friends.

I just think it depends on the circumstances of him leaving and how long for, whether he would announce it or not. And i think his state of mind at the time is a big factor also. In 'For Tomorrow' he is missing Lois and is pretty bummed and yet determined to get her back. I think his state of mind in the SR world when he left for Krypton was similar.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Yeah, it would have been something to see. A world that hates Superman, but after saving a plane load of people and a space shuttle crew. We would have looked like *****, too.lol