The Amazing Spider-Man if it's not a direct reboot how does that make you feel

[Alchemyst]

The number one thing they need to do that will immediately make this film stand out compared to the Raimi films, is to give us a Spider-Man that engages in more "quippage." Peter says it best in Spectacular Spider-Man (skip to 3m38s);

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The quippig is a double-edged sword, it works fine within the pages of a comic book, but you dont want to have him quipping at every little encounter he has. I can see him doing that to random thugs in the film, and maybe throw 1 or 2 towards the Lizard. The first film can have him use a few, then over the course of the franchise, his confidence builds up even more and he uses it as a way to take enemies off their A game.

 

[Arach Knight]

Quipping is what makes him Spider-Man. One of the reasons why Tobey's portrayal seemed a little flat, is because he was always so serious. When he was starting out as a wrestler, in the first film, he was quipping at Bone Saw. Then we got one good quip between Spidey and JJ ("mom and dad have to talk now"). After that, we got zilch. The second film has Spidey in a comedic moment (failing to stop the train and injuring his knee and some what panicking but telling everyone he still has another idea). The third film? Well, I particularly found the emo scene to be hilarious, but that isn't quite a quipping Spidey.

Quips are not only Peter's way of dealing with his own nervousness, but also a way to distract his foes, via frustration. It is as much a character weakness as it is a weapon. Doesn't it bother you that Iron Man was more comedic than Spider-Man? He doesn't have to throw out cornball jokes at every turn (like in Ultimate) but he can throw out well placed jokes.

 

[Alchemyst]

Quipping is what makes him Spider-Man. One of the reasons why Tobey's portrayal seemed a little flat, is because he was always so serious. When he was starting out as a wrestler, in the first film, he was quipping at Bone Saw. Then we got one good quip between Spidey and JJ ("mom and dad have to talk now"). After that, we got zilch. The second film has Spidey in a comedic moment (failing to stop the train and injuring his knee and some what panicking but telling everyone he still has another idea). The third film? Well, I particularly found the emo scene to be hilarious, but that isn't quite a quipping Spidey.

Quips are not only Peter's way of dealing with his own nervousness, but also a way to distract his foes, via frustration. It is as much a character weakness as it is a weapon. Doesn't it bother you that Iron Man was more comedic than Spider-Man? He doesn't have to throw out cornball jokes at every turn (like in Ultimate) but he can throw out well placed jokes.

All I'm saying is, if executed properly they can include that aspect of him in the film. I for one would like to see it, I'm not gonna say Tobey's performance as Peter Parker was flat, I think Sam Raimi just overlooked that particular aspect in favor of some of his other personal qualities. Maybe Marc Webb's interpretation of Peter may be spot on, only time will tell

 

[Arach Knight]

Tobey played a fantastic and believable Peter Parker. I have no issues with his performance as Peter. However, his performance as Spider-Man leaves a little something to be desired. During the moments where he has heart to hearts with his villains...that is something like in the comics (Peter always did try to "save" everyone). But the lack of jokes just causes him to seem stoic. Spidey isn't a stoic figure. I feel like Joker needs to randomly appear and look him in the face and say "why so serious??!" It isn't as bad as growling Batman from Begins and Dark Knight (though I do feel that Bale nails the aspect of Batman being this fierce and predatory vigilante), but it is enough for me to notice.

Ultimately, it seems that we both would like to see a quipping Spider-Man, so, I suppose that means we are on the same page. Sounds good to me.

 

[©KAW]

Nah, Tobey's performance was flat as the ass of frail Korean grandmother. Yet, I think quips are a really hard thing to pull off in a comic book film, without coming off too cheesy. It has to be calculated properly, and set to the right scenes. I want nothing taking away any seriousness, tension and dangerous scenes where people's lives are at stake.

 

[Alchemyst]

Nah, Tobey's performance was flat as the ass of frail Korean grandmother. Yet, I think quips are a really hard thing to pull off in a comic book film, without coming off too cheesy. It has to be calculated properly, and set to the right scenes. I want nothing taking away any seriousness, tension and dangerous scenes where people's lives are at stake.

I can see Spidey quipping random thugs in this first film, but quipping Lizard, not so much. I'm hoping Lizard is feral, so trash talking would not do anger him anymore than what he already is, plus I dont think in that state Lizard even comprehends what someone is saying to him. Let's say if they threw Electro in the sequel and he had a costume similar to his comic book suit, I can see Spidey quipping and making jokes towards his appearance that enrages Electro and throws him off his game, instead of him trying to destroy NYC he merely wants to shut Spidey up.

 

[NinjaCarm]

I think we can all agree the quipping is necessary however we're not talking Rodney Dangerfield Spider-Man here.

We're talking trademark Spider-Man quips, although given the film form, they would be few and far between however very clever, funny, and well placed.

All the while not distilling the tone and seriousness of the film or making it cheesy.

It's possible, trust me.

 

[Arach Knight]

Even the 616 stories show that Spider-Man's sense of humor does not undermine the graveness of a situation. When Peter was getting murdered by Morlun, he pretty much shut his trap and his thoughts were grounded on staying awake, resourceful and quick.

 

[chaseter]

Nah, Tobey's performance was flat as the ass of frail Korean grandmother.

You been hitting up nursing homes?

 

[NinjaCarm]

Even the 616 stories show that Spider-Man's sense of humor does not undermine the graveness of a situation. When Peter was getting murdered by Morlun, he pretty much shut his trap and his thoughts were grounded on staying awake, resourceful and quick.

I don't agree with your stance on Maguire's Parker. I thought he was flat, wooden, and bore-some.

 

[Arach Knight]

Why did you choose to quote my post on the Morlun fight, in order to say you don't agree with my views on his portrayal of Peter?

As for the matter of Mr. Maguire's performance as Peter Parker, to each his own. I do feel that his performance as Peter became too dramatic by the time we reach the third film, but in the first film, Maguire delivered more than I expected for that half of the role. Not many actors are able to portray the alter ego and the hero that well. There are some exceptions, but a lot of the time, it seems like people don't make the strongest impression with one ego, while doing well with the other. Perhaps that is why I am so forgiving of Maguire's performance as Peter Parker.

 

[NinjaCarm]

Why did you choose to quote my post on the Morlun fight, in order to say you don't agree with my views on his portrayal of Peter?

As for the matter of Mr. Maguire's performance as Peter Parker, to each his own. I do feel that his performance as Peter became too dramatic by the time we reach the third film, but in the first film, Maguire delivered more than I expected for that half of the role. Not many actors are able to portray the alter ego and the hero that well. There are some exceptions, but a lot of the time, it seems like people don't make the strongest impression with one ego, while doing well with the other. Perhaps that is why I am so forgiving of Maguire's performance as Peter Parker.

I don't know why I qouted that I meant your other qoute.

I just felt a serious disconnect between his Peter and then Spider-Man. He never came off as the Peter Parker I knew from the comics / cartoon and then his Spider-Man felt non-existent.

That's me.

 

[Arach Knight]

Ohhh yeah. I get what you mean. Unlike a lot of other masked heroes, Peter really is himself in and out of the mask. Granted, he shows some restraint while Peter, and Spider-Man is where he lets loose, but the personalities for each ego are not dissimilar. So if one half is portrayed poorly in this case, it affects the cohesion for the whole character. I can agree with that.

 

[Alchemyst]

I guess I'll wait until we see Garfields performance and then I'll compare the 2 to see which was the better actor for the role. It'll be like Keaton vs Bale all over again

 

[NinjaCarm]

Ohhh yeah. I get what you mean. Unlike a lot of other masked heroes, Peter really is himself in and out of the mask. Granted, he shows some restraint while Peter, and Spider-Man is where he lets loose, but the personalities for each ego are not dissimilar. So if one half is portrayed poorly in this case, it affects the cohesion for the whole character. I can agree with that.

I have to say Arach Knight you're pretty grounded. You take other opinions well and because I said I wasn't a fan of Maguire you were not all over me like some of the other unpleasant people around here.

Bravo. I respect your opinion equally.

Same goes for you Alchemyst. You both have class.

 

[Alchemyst]

I have to say Arach Knight you're pretty grounded. You take other opinions well and because I said I wasn't a fan of Maguire you were not all over me like some of the other unpleasant people around here.

Bravo. I respect your opinion equally.

Same goes for you Alchemyst. You both have class.

Much appreciated. Honestly, at this point, I would like one clip of Garfield as Peter Parker, ya know, just to see how he portrays the character. If it's anything like the person he portrayed on The Social Network that'll be great for me

 

[Arach Knight]

I have to say Arach Knight you're pretty grounded. You take other opinions well and because I said I wasn't a fan of Maguire you were not all over me like some of the other unpleasant people around here.

Bravo. I respect your opinion equally.

Same goes for you Alchemyst. You both have class.

Well, thank you. We are all comic fans at the end of the day. So it doesn't do any good to sit here and attack one another over opinion. Everyone deserves a fair shake to express their views, even if you do not agree.

 

[NinjaCarm]

No prob guys.

Yeah, one clip of Garfield as Peter Parker would be awesome, and if it met my expectations, that would hold me over for months until I saw an official trailer.

Let's hope, can't wait, it's so refreshing to have a new Peter Parker!

 

[Alchemyst]

No prob guys.

Yeah, one clip of Garfield as Peter Parker would be awesome, and if it met my expectations, that would hold me over for months until I saw an official trailer.

Let's hope, can't wait, it's so refreshing to have a new Peter Parker!

I think one clip would be enough to get a good idea of what to expect from him. I think he'll do good, filmakers have been doing slightly better with the casting of Marvel heroes as of recent......except Ghost Rider

 

[NinjaCarm]

I think one clip would be enough to get a good idea of what to expect from him. I think he'll do good, filmakers have been doing slightly better with the casting of Marvel heroes as of recent......except Ghost Rider

Ghost Rider was awful. Nic Cage as Johnny Blaze? My goodness did he suck. Just another example of Hollywood thinking "oh we better get a name" because you know, the property that has been around for years isn't enough to sell, not to mention Ghost Rider is a visually cool character and that part of it will sell it.

They could have gotten like Paul Walker or someone, you know, someone who is actually blonde? and made it like Blade and call it a day.

Just awful, lol

 

[Arach Knight]

I know Johnny Blaze has been Ghost Rider longer and currently, but I would have preferred a movie about Dan Ketch. Since GR is not all that popular, I am not sure who audiences would more readily recognize. It will be nice when Marvel finally regains the rights to all of their properties. I feel like a lot of studios have mishandled Marvel's properties. Though, I do have high hopes that Sony doesn't fumble with this reboot. It would be nice if things went smoothly, that ways, when Sony eventually passes the rights back to Marvel (this has already happened with the television rights, which is why there is no 3rd season of Spectacular, which is Sony produced, while the upcoming Ultimate, is Marvel/Disney produced), Marvel can merely continue a great legacy, rather than having to reboot the franchise for a second time.

 

[NinjaCarm]

I'm going to forget about Ghost Rider altogether until the new movie comes out. If it's good it will be a pleasant surprise.

 

[Arach Knight]

Well it is a direct sequel to the previous film, but there is one positive sign for the sequel; David S. Goyer wrote the story.

 

[Alchemyst]

I'm going to forget about Ghost Rider altogether until the new movie comes out. If it's good it will be a pleasant surprise.

I think we're both hoping for the same thing, I'm still not too keen on Cage returning, I would have much rather see someone else take the role.

Well it is a direct sequel to the previous film, but there is one positive sign for the sequel; David S. Goyer wrote the story.

Yeah, that was a step in the right direction. TBH, I don't think Cage had one redeeming quality in that film. IMO, in order for this film to be successful, just show Nic Cage at the beginning and have Ghost Rider the rest of the film so we don't have to actually see Cage