Comics If you could/had to reset Spidey continuity, where would you start?

WHATIFTALES: Hmmmm I was nervous about her returning to the comics when it was announced that Gwen would be appearing in Spider-man 3......but no matter .....and you heard it hear first...and you can quote me..."Joe Q is not stupid enough to bring back Gwen Stacy"


Hmn....i dunno if they'll bring her back or not....but it is an ODD thing to say in an interview..considering she is DEAD.

What are they gonna do...bring her back and have her marry Norman Osborn and rub it in Pete's face that HIS wife can't remember she is even married??

Or make HER a superhero too??

Add her into a Pete love triangle!??

(although i still say Pete dating anyone, with a mindwiped, timeswept wife, or what-have-you, still would make him/them look....like a louse...)
 
Hmn....i dunno if they'll bring her back or not....but it is an ODD thing to say in an interview..considering she is DEAD.

What are they gonna do...bring her back and have her marry Norman Osborn and rub it in Pete's face that HIS wife can't remember she is even married??

Or make HER a superhero too??

Add her into a Pete love triangle!??

(although i still say Pete dating anyone, with a mindwiped, timeswept wife, or what-have-you, still would make him/them look....like a louse...)

Won't happen....Joe Q isn't that stupid...consider your fan base......new fans of Spidey who have no attachment to a character who has been dead for over 30 years.....they'd get the same response had they used Whitman.....and the old fans that would see Gwen's return as the final nail in the ASM 121-122 coffin.....there's no good reason to bring her back but quite a few good ones to leave her dead in the ground
 
I dont have any idea what he'll do to spidey and his world.

Why does JQ bother to even mention her, that she may pop up as a character...? Odd.

But then again, why does JQ mention any of the stuff he does.

It is tough to put together a pic of what is going to happen just based on his thoughts...tho i think i have a pretty good idea....but not on the Gwen role, if any, she'll have...post OMD.

I sure hope he doesnt' break up the marriage AND bring Gwen back. That'd be an even worse insult to fans, then a marriage break-up alone.
 
Honestly at this point, I'm all for Gwen returning.

The greatest value of ASM #121 & 122 was that it challenged Peter's character as he had never been challenged before or really since. It took him to the edge- into the abyss and brought him back. It showed just how strong he is regardless of his superhumaness.

It also gave us a touch of reality that wasn't seen before in comics. Yes- loved ones had died before. But never had it been so real, because Spidey had already been so real to begin with. so it pulled us in deeper to experience this with him.

But just about every great thing that was establsihed in those issues has been crushed in subsequent arcs by unskilled creative teams. The edgey realism of that story wasn't carried forth in other stories. Peter has been shown to be far less powerful a character than shown in that story.

The very fact that Norman Osborn was brought back, and Peter didn't do everything in his power to bring him to justice for Gwen's murder makes Peter's character as established in that original story a sad farce.

As far as Gwen as a character, as I've said many timres, she's actually far more asset to Spider-Man than Mary Jane, IF the writers know how to handle her. Her backstory, explored and unexplored have much more potential for generating stories than anything regarding MJ. Straight-up, anything that has been done, or could be done with Mj can be done with Gwen, but there are a number of things that can be done with Gwen that can't with MJ.

So why not bring her back if there's a chance of better stories? To maintain the memory of two issues that's already been muddied by another 300 or so? We can still go back and read those issues and enjoy them for what they are.
 
I'd start off where the clone saga began, and just erase that.
And bringing Gwen back is a terrible idea, I really hope that doesn't happen in one more day.
 
I am not quite sure how Gwen returning could possibly be a good thing.

Some things in life, in storylines, in a characters history, etc...are better left sacred.
 
I am not quite sure how Gwen returning could possibly be a good thing.

Some things in life, in storylines, in a characters history, etc...are better left sacred.

Nothing with Gwen's character has been sacred since she was brought back in the first Clone Saga. Not to mention the second Clone Saga, and of course Sins Past. The only way to heal Gwen's character is to start anew. At this point, what is there to protect?
 
Dragon: Nothing with Gwen's character has been sacred since she was brought back in the first Clone Saga. Not to mention the second Clone Saga, and of course Sins Past. The only way to heal Gwen's character is to start anew. At this point, what is there to protect?

Oh, i totally agree, she's been tromped on a lot lately, especially sins past, among the other things you've listed.

Still, it'd be nice to start a GOOD trend and start giving her death some respect, and not making it worse just because other writers have walked all over her grave.

I am hoping JQ and others will not try to ressurect her or timewarp her.
 
Still, it'd be nice to starta GOOD trend and start giving her death some respect, and not making it worse just because other writers have walked all over her grave.

Seriously? Start? Other than the original Clone Saga (which didn't really disrespect the character) and the notorious Sins Past, when else did Gwen's character NOT receive respect.

Honestly, no other character (other than Uncle Ben) has been given more flashbacks, lionization, and respect than Gwen Stacy. In fact, it's growing quite tiresome. I'm not saying I condone Sins Past, but rather, I fail to see the need to have EVEN MORE flashbacks, lionization, and respect (how about some Ben Reilly flashbacks or even some more Harry flashbacks). It's almost insulting how much attention her death receives especially considering the fact that many casual Spider-Man fans have never even heard of Gwen Stacy (until SM3 that is).

And i also get tired of the argument that Gwen Stacy would help save the franchise. I really think that a lot of people think she'll be great simply because Peter remembers her that way. Not much is gleaned on about her character in the flashbacks or even in stuff like Loeb's "Blue".

The thing that JQ and writers drool over is the love triangle. The love triangle needs a good and bad girl. MJ was the bad girl, but now she's "matured" into the good girl. That's why Black Cat had to be introduced. Introducing a new bad girl wouldn't really work at this point either. Although, with her infidelities, I guess you could say that Gwen is a bad girl (except she's the icky kind).

Honestly, other than some Crisis of Infinite Earth continuity rewrite I don't see how the marriage "problem" can be resolved. Nor do i think it needs to be.
 
As far as Gwen as a character, as I've said many timres, she's actually far more asset to Spider-Man than Mary Jane, IF the writers know how to handle her. Her backstory, explored and unexplored have much more potential for generating stories than anything regarding MJ. Straight-up, anything that has been done, or could be done with Mj can be done with Gwen, but there are a number of things that can be done with Gwen that can't with MJ.

That's what people have been saying about MJ all along. It's honestly not much different.

You are also not taking into account that there are a lot of things that can be done with MJ that can't be done with Gwen. For example, they've never really explored MJ's shady criminal father and how that has an effect on her psyche. She's certainly dealt with Peter's other identity for a very long time and is even friends with Peter's "co-workers". She matured from being a ditzy party girl to a woman with emotional depth. She's closer to Aunt May than Gwen ever was and she MOST OF ALL has to deal with the lingering knowledge that she may always be #2 in Peter's mind since he lionizes Gwen so much (stupid Parker guilt, he's never guilty about Reilly, but that's probably because he's a self-loathing prick :cmad:). You could argue that Gwen was never given the opportunity cause of her death, but that just goes to show that she has almost 30 years of less stories than MJ.

It's like the Clone Saga when fans were forced to accept Ben Reilly as the real Spider-Man even though he had 20 years of fewer stories under his belt than Peter Parker. There was no way he'd be accepted as the original. Bringing back Gwen would be a similar kind of emotional cheat.

Heck, I think Betty is much more interesting compared to Gwen but "the writers don't know how to handle her". I just don't see how the writers would handle Gwen any better than they've handled anyone else. Gwen was great cause she was written by Stan Lee and Gerry Conway. MJ was great then too.
 
That's what people have been saying about MJ all along. It's honestly not much different.

There's major difference. MJ has been given more than 30 years to be interesting and that has yet to happen.

You are also not taking into account that there are a lot of things that can be done with MJ that can't be done with Gwen. For example, they've never really explored MJ's shady criminal father and how that has an effect on her psyche.

There's nothing there to explore. MJ's "problems" were dealt with in one or two stories, 25 years ago. There's nothing more to them. If there were any residual damage then the many events that have occured over the years would have brought it out.

And the difference is, that MJ's issues are just for soap-operish storylines. Gwen's actually spill into Peter's life as Spider-Man.

She's certainly dealt with Peter's other identity for a very long time and is even friends with Peter's "co-workers". She matured from being a ditzy party girl to a woman with emotional depth. She's closer to Aunt May than Gwen ever was and she MOST OF ALL has to deal with the lingering knowledge that she may always be #2 in Peter's mind since he lionizes Gwen so much (stupid Parker guilt, he's never guilty about Reilly, but that's probably because he's a self-loathing prick :cmad:).

Why on Earth would he feel guilty about Ben Reilly? Ben had super powers and could defend himself. Gwen didn't.

As for the points about MJ- yeah- and to what avail? The comics haven't moved forward after all this time. MJ serves two purposes. As hostage and Peter's support system. She's never been realized as a full person on her own. And honestly there isn't that much to her. An actress' life simply doesn't match up to the dynamics of Spider-Man's life.

You could argue that Gwen was never given the opportunity cause of her death, but that just goes to show that she has almost 30 years of less stories than MJ.

Right. And after 30 years, MJ is still in the same place. Her shelf life is extremely limited, which is why theu look for a new reason to get rid of her every few years.

It's like the Clone Saga when fans were forced to accept Ben Reilly as the real Spider-Man even though he had 20 years of fewer stories under his belt than Peter Parker. There was no way he'd be accepted as the original. Bringing back Gwen would be a similar kind of emotional cheat.

It isn't the same thing at all. Peter Parker is Spider-Man. He's the one who was bitten by the radioactive Spider. He's the one that was established in Amazing Fantasy #15. Ben Reilly is a cheap knock-off that untaleted "creative" staff conjured up to spark sales.

Gwen was a well-developed original character killed off for similar effect. She still had story mileage at the time of her death, it simply wasn't made use of, mostly because then writer Gerry Conway simply couldn't write relationships. In every title he was on at the time the characters (Ironman,FF,Thor as well as Spidey) all went through relationship upheavals.

If Gwen is brought back and the stories are well-written, then there's really nothing to complain about. I haven't been following Captain america, but apparently a good spin was oput on Bucky's return, and at DC a similar one was used to bring back Jason Todd. It's all in the writing.

Heck, I think Betty is much more interesting compared to Gwen but "the writers don't know how to handle her".

No she isn't. She, like MJ simply got more focus over the ensuing years. When Gwen was around, stories weren't devoted to supporting characters.

I just don't see how the writers would handle Gwen any better than they've handled anyone else. Gwen was great cause she was written by Stan Lee and Gerry Conway. MJ was great then too.

That depends on the writer. If a guy like Jeph Loeb is on the stories, then it will be in good hands.
 

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