Comics How would you guys have got rid of MJ if JOe Q forced you to do it?

[Eye Doc]

it's the most recent canon description, i feel it's legit.

Ok, but the one from now another writer could say that MJ is the true love of Peter's life. How would you feel then? Would you support that position as canon, or would you still insist that Gwen was the true love? For years Gwen was presented as pure and wholesome. Now we know still got freaky with Norman and had 2 goblin babies? Marvel's "canon" can change with the drop of a hat.

What peter thinks for tihs type of story is irrelevant, all we have to do is be objective and see the evidence infront of us. All the quotations and thought bubbles can come from MJ reading and overreading events taken place. Whether pete actually does or doesn't think of gwen can be left to us to decide but we will see it through mj's eyes and see she feels there is enough there and she doesn't want to play second fiddle.

I agree that you could explore this angle. I just think a good writer should be able to come up with better things to do with MJ as a character on 2007/2008. Gwen died 35 years ago. Most of the modern readers have no emotional attachment to her. If she had died this decade, your idea would resonate more. Now it just seems tired and dated. After the Sins Past debacle Marvel just needs to move on.

I think that's genius and adds to what i feel is a character gone stale. I mean what's the last interesting thing MJ did before beating up the chameleon just after the reboot?

I totally agree with you here. Marvel really fumbled the ball with MJ after the wedding. Her personality changed. She lost a lot of her wit and charm. Her character never really grew once she married because no one took the time to establish an intersting status quo for her or really let her interact with Peter's circle of friends except May after Harry died back in the 90's.

However, I don't think having MJ obsess about playing second fiddle to Peter's dead girlfriend makes her that much more interesting...especailly since Marvel writers have already tried to do that in the past.

we can blame the writers all day long or we can deal with what we are given and try to rationalise the best course of action from it.

gwen IS a important constant reminder to spidey, suddenly stopping would be like pete no longer thinking about uncle ben, it's just one of those things pete does, he dwells on the past alot, so be it, it's not particularly bad, just not healthy. It DOES make him relatable though.

I have no problem with Gwen being used as a source of guilt for Peter. The problem with Gwen occurs when writers try to insinuate that Peter can never really be happy with another woman, be it MJ or someone else, because he's still in love with Gwen. That's lame. I think if an editor mandated that Gwen could not be mentioned theSpidey series would be just fine. I just don't think that many fans would say "You guys don't mention Gwen enough"

comics are pretty much a long soap opera and the best hide this fact among its texts. That's the art of long term story telling, especially if you want to keep it relatable and have it be a relationship between two people.

No problem with the above. But, the idea of MJ feeling insecure over Gwen's kid isn't that interesting.

I'd also beg to differ because the fantastic four has dealt with other people coming into the marital issues with reed and sue and they've managed to do it fine. Valeria von doom from the future was started out as a constant reminder than sue was going to leave reed in the future and the fans lapped it up so i think your views on this subject are somewhat flawed.

I really don't know if FF fans lapped it up as you say. I don't think Valeria has really been an asset to the FF.

the fact that gwen's been dead for so long makes it even more interesting because if it was fresh, mj could understand the bereavement process, but because of the duration and also the fact that she also lost her child (heck, write in she can't have any kids because the stillbirth messed up her insides) is another reminder of how she can't compare to a dead person.

MJ is marvel's flagship human, she needs some jazzing up and i feel this (or something along this lines is the best way to do it).

We'll just agree to disagree. I bet if asked fans if the above scenario would be interesting, some 75% would say no way. MJ does need to be jazzed up. But I can think of a lot better ways to do it than having her obsess over Peter's memories of Gwen. That angle may have worked right after the wedding, but to do it years after they were married is pretty weak.

I mean in the ultimate comics, there's the jealousy angle based on the fact she doesn't have powers and kitty does, i was originally going to suggest this with black cat but i didn't see the chemistry so hence why i thought of the kid idea.

MJ being jealous over Felicia or another living person in Peter's life is a lot more intersting than having her feel insecure about dead Gwen or some kid she left behind. I've never understood why Marvel didn't do more with the above scenario. Having Peter take trips to the Broklyn Bridge and think about Gwen just isn't interesting anymore. If BND is really "BRAND NEW", then the ghost of Gwen Stacy will gradually be put to rest.

I repeat, once Peter is single again, it could be interesting to see how Jill Stacey would react to Gwen's memory. There's a direct tie between the characters b/c their cousins. The following could be explored:

1) Jill feels Peter isn only interested in her b/c she's Gwen's cousin
2) Peter wonders the same thing.
3) Arthur Stacy may still have doubts about Peter and his ties to Spider-Man.
4) Norman has been brought back. He killed Gwen, so he could play a role in thi story
5) Jills brother, Paul, doesn't like Peter. This could casue some problems for the couple

I could think of more but Iv'e got to get to work. I'd rather see the above scenarios explored intead of a married Peter grieving the death of Gwen. Having MJ mope about Gwen's memory and her kid would would not make her more interesting. It would actually make her even more of a drag on the series.

 

[November Rain]

It comes down to preference and you're not (from what i gather) a gwen fan.

I'm not particularly either but from what i can muster, spidey's direct interest in her has potential to affect the unexplored, especially since it's been going on for a while.

I say embrace it, you want to let it go.

there's not much i can do about it.

However, in reading your second paragraph giving a brief synopsis, i feel elements of this gwen parker daughter with the fan base separated about whose fault it was (half seeing it from spidey, half seeing it from mj's) I think would muster up what you are looking to achieve.

Heck at the very worst use janine if you don't want gwen. she had a relationship with ben reilly so if spidey finds out he has a child with this woman (technically) then mj's insecurities may come from janine godbe/Elizabeth type and if ben could love her, maybe peter could too.

gwen seems more appropriate then bringing in a new deus ex machina to do it.

 

[Eye Doc]

It comes down to preference and you're not (from what i gather) a gwen fan.

Actually I am a Gwen fan. When I started reading comics Gwen was long gone and Peter was dating Felicia. MJ during the tail end of the romance with Felicia and I'm sure you know the rest.

I didn't discover Gwen until I went back and collected the back issues via reprints and Marvel Masterworks. I grew to like the character and in some ways prefer over MJ. I think she was a bit whiny toward the end of her run in the series, but she was prety much the typical superhero girlfriend from that era. In hindsight Marvel could've done a lot with the character had she lived. I really believe it was a mistake to kill her off when they did. If Conway wanted Gwen out of the series, all he had to do was reveal the fact that Peter was Spidey. At the time she thought he was responsible for George's death. That could've created rift. They break up, but you could've reunited them down the road.

I'm not particularly either but from what i can muster, spidey's direct interest in her has potential to affect the unexplored, especially since it's been going on for a while.

I say embrace it, you want to let it go.

there's not much i can do about it.

Marvel already explored this back in the 90's. In fact they did right after Gwen died. MJ was insecure over the Gwen Clone when she appeared during the original Clone Saga in the 70's. During the evolutionary war saga in the 90's Gerry Conway actually wrote a story that he said was his atepmt to close the door on the Clone era. Unfortunately, Marvel went back and swept the story under the proverbial rug. Conway had Peter say he loved MJ more than he ever loved Gwen. He even said that the clones from that period weren't clones, but people who were injected with DNA which gave them the apearance of clones. But, as I said, that story was retconned to make way for Clone Saga part 2.

However, in reading your second paragraph giving a brief synopsis, i feel elements of this gwen parker daughter with the fan base separated about whose fault it was (half seeing it from spidey, half seeing it from mj's) I think would muster up what you are looking to achieve.

Heck at the very worst use janine if you don't want gwen. she had a relationship with ben reilly so if spidey finds out he has a child with this woman (technically) then mj's insecurities may come from janine godbe/Elizabeth type and if ben could love her, maybe peter could too.

gwen seems more appropriate then bringing in a new deus ex machina to do it.

I bailed long before Janine showed up. However, what you said her is actually more intersting than having Peter and MJ have maritial problems over the death of Gwen and her legacy.

Now, I have question for you. What do you think of Peter hooking up with Jill stacy in the future? How would you like to see that play out? Or, would you even want to see it play out? Wouldn't make sense for jill to feel insecure about Gwen? And wouldn't that be more interesting thanhaving MJ feel insecure about Gwen....yet again?

 

[November Rain]

I thought affection or feelings towards jill and peter were hinted just before the reboot.

it seems like they could also be playing with some old ground here.

I can't imagine parker happiily going out with another stacey, his mind woudl be in wreck the whole time. I could see it as a one off date after he breaks up with mj but i can't see it being the catalyst for a break up or the long haul.

i'd rather a fresh interest come off the bat or bring in janine/elizabeth tyne (who would need a fresh hair colour).

 

[wolvie2020]

Heck, the fact that is it different is enough for MJ, there's nothing she can do to tarnish that memory and based on her earlier insecurities, MJ may not be able to handle it, especially when confronted with a real life daughter of theirs she is supposed to love as much as peter does but she can't as she is a constant reminder of something she can't compete with.

True

 

[3dman27]

i beleve paul stacy no longer holds peter inderectly responsible for gwens death

 

[Traveller]

I have no problem with Gwen being used as a source of guilt for Peter. The problem with Gwen occurs when writers try to insinuate that Peter can never really be happy with another woman, be it MJ or someone else, because he's still in love with Gwen. That's lame.

That isn't lame. I am still in love with Gwen.

I repeat, once Peter is single again, it could be interesting to see how Jill Stacey would react to Gwen's memory.

Stacy not Stacey.
I wonder what would she say about Peter is Spider-Man. She knows Spider-Man was there when Gwen died.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

That isn't lame. I am still in love with Gwen.


Stacy not Stacey.
I wonder what would she say about Peter is Spider-Man. She knows Spider-Man was there when Gwen died.

Yeah...we never got to see the remaining Stacy's reaction to Peter revealing his secret identity..

 

[iceman7]

i would kill spiderman...
get fired
but at the same time get JQ fired for being a moron

dont get his fetish of splitting them up
anyone who's red Spiderman "The Others" would tell you that there's no way that a divorce would work. MJ loves peter too much and as you read it you feel her heartache when peter dies and we all know how much Peter loves MJ so no way in hell would they ever break up.

that being said it only leaves murder and thats the easiest way to put a rift in the relationship.

 

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

Yeah...we never got to see the remaining Stacy's reaction to Peter revealing his secret identity..

I hope the change in authorship means that we'll start getting stories about Peter Parker instead of about JMS' or JQ's latest great shocking wonderful idea. I just like stories about Pete.

 

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

Yeah I like Stories about Peter Parker the man, and have a few interferences from the Spidey life...

 

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

Yes, if we'd been getting stories actually about the CHARACTER and not somebody's shlocktactular ideas we would have seen the reactions of the Stacys and many other characters intimately connected to Pete. These people weren't intimitely connected to the writing or editorial staff... so we, the readers, got slighted... again.

 

[DACrowe]

I wouldn't. I'd turn in a draft where a character named Quesada who was a sexual creep tries to rape MJ AND Peter at the same time, but doesn't realize that Peter is Spider-Man and get his ass kciked into the next century and goes comatose.

I'd then got ot DC and begin writing Batman comics.

 

[BritishChap007]

Can someone give me a brief summary of what is happening with MJ?

I don't mean to be a pain, so ignore me if you want!

 

[3dman27]

she make a deal with someone to erase memories of petes past leading up to the watson-parker marriageto keep aunt may from dying and as a reward of sorts for her sacrifice she is granted super-powers to use as the super-heroine JACKPOT

 

[wolvie2020]

Yeah...we never got to see the remaining Stacy's reaction to Peter revealing his secret identity..

As much fun BiB was, I really don't feel like they got to the bottom of a lot of little things like that...

There were a lot more reactions I was looking forward to seeing on a deeper level.

Was still fun though

 

[Miss Webb]

She could have a "moment of weakness" with Norman Osburne. Then, twins! They'd magically age, and...

No wait...t:

 

[November Rain]

she make a deal with someone to erase memories of petes past leading up to the watson-parker marriageto keep aunt may from dying and as a reward of sorts for her sacrifice she is granted super-powers to use as the super-heroine JACKPOT

AhahahAHAHAHAHA

that is a terrible idea

 

[DACrowe]

It is...it is indeed.

 

[Abaddon]

are her parents still alive? I'd have her leave for Europe where she goes to reconcile with her mom/dad or some crap.

 

[3dman27]

i think mr and mrs watson have been established as being deceased

 

[Abaddon]

alright then, some other long lost/estranged relative.

 

[Mara Jane]

Her mom died when she was a teenager. The last I saw of her dad was when she made peace with him after he got out of prison (back when she found out she was pregnant). I never heard of him dying. When did that happen?

 

[Spydernorbs]

I tell Joey Q to go screw himself, call him a tool, then go work for DC.

 

[hulkamania85]

Here's an idea. Don't kill people in comic books.

Or at least limit yourself to lame characters like Stilt Man.

I would write the final pages of the issue something like this:

Peter: MJ, you look like you have something to say. Do you?

MJ: Yes, I most certainly do...

I HAVE TO GO NOW, MY PLANET NEEDS ME!

(A few panels of MJ slowly moving up into the air, sometimes the panels look a little crooked).

Editor's Note: MJ died on the way back to her home planet.

I figure if you're going to do something people will hate, throw in a Simpsons reference.

Then after losing the job at Marvel I'd form Image Comics 2: Speech Bubble Boogaloo.