IGN X-men Trilogy Character Analysis

[xstormfan]

http://comics.ign.com/articles/751/751277p1.html

discuss........

 

[Goddessreicho]

I never thought I'd say this but damn, I actually agree with the IGN opinion of what happened to Storm. I can't even begin to to say how happy I am that they didn't blame Halle for what happened to the character over the last six years.

They also noticed that the only two core characters to suffer from NEGLECT were Scott and Storm. Heck they even mentioned how those two got the worse dialog.

Amazing. IGN also picked up on Singer's blindly obvious flaws, that impacted everyone but mainly the over development of some (Jean, Wolverine, Rogue) at the expense of everyone else.

A little bit of everyone, instead of too much of three, would have gone so much farther. Other films have had a far larger ensemble and have done a much better job.

The lack of writing prowess, studio politics, and lack of intimate character knowledge ruined this franchise. I can't possible say that enough.

 

[gap5ewl]

i agree with them 99%. except...they were way to soft on wolverine. He was over-exposed and overrated in the movies taking away development for other important characters.

 

[Aeon]

They also noticed that the only two core characters to suffer from NEGLECT were Scott and Storm.

The most neglected character BY FAR was Angel. As one of the original five, he should have been given a much more prominent part, instead of his scenes just serving as bookends for the third film.

 

[Goddessreicho]

The most neglected character BY FAR was Angel. As one of the original five, he should have been given a much more prominent part, instead of his scenes just serving as bookends for the third film.

Had Angel been crappily introduced six years ago, and had the same lack of character development that Scott and Storm had in two previous movies, then yes, I would have to agree with you.

But, he wasn't. He was empathic cannon fodder, which is exactly what Storm and Nightcrawler were in X2. It was what Scott was in X3.

If the name wasn't Jean, Rogue, or Wolverine, then that character wasn't developed. Those three managed to start the series and end it with differences as clear as day and night. I'm not talking about being alive or dead. They had time to develop characteristics and complexities. Oh and they had plot related storylines.

Scott had no character arc.
Storm had a tiny and completely foreign arc that made her painfully out of character. In essence the only reason why she was kept in the story was because of her token minority status. She was treated the same why most are. "Oh look she's *still* there, we should do something with her. I know, lets make her head of the school. Everbody wins..." Wolverine stealing her tactile leader position, right from underneath of her, in the final battle was embarrassing.
Angel's arc was treated as a bookend, but so was Nightcrawler. That's continuing a pattern of badness that few people want to admit that was in X2.

So to wrap it up Storm and Cyke were the most underdeveloped neglected CORE MOVIE-VERSE characters.

 

[flavio_lebeau]

I really like their reviews. I just think that Mystique also deserved one. Seriously, Rebecca Romijn, the writters and Bryan made her more interesting than her comic self could ever dream of being. To me, she was one of the characters that suffered enormous changes, but that actually made the character perfect. If there's a perfect character in these films, I have to say it's Mystique. (even if her X3 part was sadly and shamely reduced and ended like one of the crappiest moments of the trilogy. I blame Simon and Zak. They couldn't use the "Marsden-like" excuse for parameters, it was just bad screenwriting. Even if she had to be out, there were thousands of ways to make it more emotional than that crap 10 seconds mini-scene)


Heck, my father, who's no fan at all, has once said "I just love that blue woman. So sexy, vile, and selfish and interesting". Most non-fans just love Mystique.

 

[gap5ewl]

yeah mystique was amazing in the films. they actually changed her character in the comics to match the movie version she was that damn good. Nightcrawler was also amazingly done. They forgot to review kitty, jubilee, toad, sabretooth, juggernaut, callisto, arclight, quill, mystique, angel..ect and pyro

 

[flavio_lebeau]

yeah mystique was amazing in the films. they actually changed her character in the comics to match the movie version she was that damn good. Nightcrawler was also amazingly done. They forgot to review kitty, jubilee, toad, sabretooth, juggernaut, callisto, arclight, quill, mystique, angel..ect and pyro

I understand why those were not reviewed, as they said, there isn't much to talk about them. But Mystique was a part of all three movies and, like it or not, became a very memorable and genuine character from this franchise.

 

[Electrix]

Reading that makes me want an X4

Simply to improve everything and make it the bestest film ever!

They are right about Cyclops and Storm. In fact they were right about almost everything.

 

[BMM]

I agree with much of their analysis.

I don’t think these characters’ storylines should have ever been dead-ended into a trilogy. They should have been given more time to develop as they have over their 40+ year comic book history. Otherwise, it’s like being forced to read these three X-Men comic books that ultimately don’t have enough room to properly explore the characters and their various arcs/histories.

 

[flavio_lebeau]

nice analogy

 

[BobJM]

I don't get why everyone says that Storm was so neglected. Yes, she had a small role in X1, but then again, so did Jean.

In X2, Storm had an amazing scene with Nightcrawler about faith and what not. Plus, she had two great action scenes in which she saved the team (X-Jet, Dark Cerebro). In X2, her and Nightcrawler had their own subplot.

In X3, she has loads of stuff. She's in almost every scene.

Cyclops was neglected, yes, but not Storm.

 

[Mike059jig]

I don't get why everyone says that Storm was so neglected. Yes, she had a small role in X1, but then again, so did Jean.

In X2, Storm had an amazing scene with Nightcrawler about faith and what not. Plus, she had two great action scenes in which she saved the team (X-Jet, Dark Cerebro). In X2, her and Nightcrawler had their own subplot.

In X3, she has loads of stuff. She's in almost every scene.

Cyclops was neglected, yes, but not Storm.

I agree to some extent the difference is that storm role got stronger as the franchise went along.....and Cyclops role decreased as the series went along...X2 Storm role was stronger than in the first movie....I disagree with storm in X3 she had more to do and the writers paid attention to her and gave her two important plots to the movie.....dealing with the cure and being headmaster....Between the first two movies Cyclops and Storm had the about the same amout of screen time....X3 was the big difference.....

 

[gambitfire]

I dunno about this whole Storm ordeal, i know she didn't get much in X1 or 2 but i'm not going to say the character was ruined over a bad wig and one horribly written toad line. It sucked that we didn't get enough of her yea but the story wasn't about her so i wasn't dying over it, although i did wish they could of explored more into her true feelings(IMO X2s one liner said alot though).

Frankly i still say Halle just isn't Storm.

i havn't read the reviews cuz i'm kinda busy but i heard they go soft on Wolverine, well i'm not surprised he's like the X-Men's golden boy, he's untouchable by X-fan standards, he could do no wrong.

Clearly i can't blame a character who isn't real for this but i can however blame the fans with the bad taste.....


lol j/k to each their own.

 

[gap5ewl]

storm was not card board like they said. We did get to see her feeling towards mutant rights are and such. We did get to see she had some sort of a deep relationship with the Professor. I just hate it when people come on here and just bash Halle for not doing good just because their pissed that she is the main black actress right now in hollywood. If she were giving better direction, she would be amazing as Storm she did pretty well in X1.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

There's a difference in a neglect between Scott and Ororo.

Scott, whose role got smaller and nothing was fixed and Ororo whose got bigger but nothing was fixed.

A big role means nothing if you don't have a character, and Ororo did not have a character. She just said or did whatever the writer's felt the need for her to do, some of it VERY out of character for the comic version of Ro.

 

[Goddessreicho]

See the thing is that Scott died, so of course he got the short end of anything. Yes, he winds the battle of Who Got Crapped On the Most.

But if the tables were turned and Storm died for no apparent reason, this conversation would be very different, if it would be had at all.

But yes, both characters have been neglected and ignored from the main plot. Look at it this way, if both characters hadn't survived, the story would not have changed one bit. That's how useless and unimportant they were.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

See the thing is that Scott died, so of course he got the short end of anything. Yes, he winds the battle of Who Got Crapped On the Most.

But if the tables were turned and Storm died for no apparent reason, this conversation would be very different, if it would be had at all.

But yes, both characters have been neglected and ignored from the main plot. Look at it this way, if both characters hadn't survived, the story would not have changed one bit. That's how useless and unimportant they were.

I shudder to think....

Wolverine as Headmaster.

 

[gambitfire]

storm was not card board like they said. We did get to see her feeling towards mutant rights are and such. We did get to see she had some sort of a deep relationship with the Professor. I just hate it when people come on here and just bash Halle for not doing good just because their pissed that she is the main black actress right now in hollywood. If she were giving better direction, she would be amazing as Storm she did pretty well in X1.

Who's pissed about that?

Are you making bad assumptions about ppl?

What really bugs me is when ppl claim that's the reason anyone has a problem with her. Just get over it, Is it so hard to believe someone doesn't like her for her potrayal of the character and not because she's black? what a horrible card to call out on someone.

From someone who has alot of black female friends (as if that was a big deal), Stop playing that game please, it's ridiculous this day in age.

It's even more sad when it's true, but i asssure this isn't the case nor have i seen one on here where it has been.

 

[gambitfire]

I shudder to think....

Wolverine as Headmaster.

I just threw up a little bit.

 

[Goddessreicho]

I just threw up a little bit.

Instead he was the only person with whom Jean should a physical attration to, the only person who had resonable success on any mission, and got to "hold that line," when Storm was standing right next to him, and took over the Danger Room when it was her planned session.

How much do you want to bet that he writes the current curriculum for the students?

 

[Mike059jig]

But if the tables were turned and Storm died for no apparent reason, this conversation would be very different, if it would be had at all.

Of course if a character died with no apparent people wouldn't be happy,that goes for every X-character....every character has to die for a reason.......Cyclops and X ,jean died for a reason....its superficial but it there....

 

[gap5ewl]

Who's pissed about that?

Are you making bad assumptions about ppl?

What really bugs me is when ppl claim that's the reason anyone has a problem with her. Just get over it, Is it so hard to believe someone doesn't like her for her potrayal of the character and not because she's black? what a horrible card to call out on someone.

From someone who has alot of black female friends (as if that was a big deal), Stop playing that game please, it's ridiculous this day in age.

It's even more sad when it's true, but i asssure this isn't the case nor have i seen one on here where it has been.

oo stop with the whole race card ****...a lot of noobs like to come on here from the imdb forums and bash halle just because they are mad that she is the only major (a-list) black actress in hollywood so that means she sucks and is the reason storm was bad in the movies. it's pathetic and they need to get over it. halle is a good actress and its the directors and writers that give storm the role.

 

[gambitfire]

ok so who are these noobs that are over here saying such things? where are they huh?

personally i'm not a big Halle fan, but it's not cuz she's black.

After all i'm a huge Queen Latifah fan.

I love the Queen she rocks!

 

[gap5ewl]

ok so who are these noobs that are over here saying such things? where are they huh?

personally i'm not a big Halle fan, but it's not cuz she's black.

After all i'm a huge Queen Latifah fan.

I love the Queen she rocks!

the most famous was rattlerbrat..who was obssessed with nona gaye and wished halle was dead. i dont remember the others it was during the peak of x3.