Sequels In retrospect - I'm disgusted with the series.

[Matt Murdock]

I don't mean to be a buzz-kill, but I think this is getting a tiny bit heated.

 

[FaT_tONle]

I am glad to see MOST of you people get it... and I am not even gonna lump this in with BB/TDK... I mean when you go back and look at this franchise as a whole... its nothing more than 7-8 hours of decent entertainment. Starts off strong... but does not finish. They have already made so much freaking money that it won't matter to them anyway.... I am trying to get myself up for SM4... but I just can't... we know how it will end. Until Raimi and the rest of this team steps down... it will be more of the same. DO NOT be suprised if SM4 ends up being worse than SM3. All in all, everyone's opinion is different I get that. But for fanboys like us... we got to call it like it is... ESPECIALLY fanboys. We can't tolerate disasters like SM3... and take some blame for it.... we hyped it... now we have to suffer. You guys want to do the same with SM4 then do it... just don't get fooled by some kickass trailers and what not... call it like it is.

 

[the_joker]

Have I ever read Spider-Man comics? Nope not once in my life, I just like to spend my days going to a freaking comic board where we talk about spider-man and wacking off to the thought that someday I'll grow balls and buy an issue or two of the comic I'm talking about.

Of course I'm not saying Spider-Man should be dark like Batman. Where the hell did you see that in my message. And I mean taking seriously as in dont half ass the movie. Take it serious and make great movie that respects the comic lore.

Spidey shouldn't be dark and depressing.....but he shouldn't be camped to hell with a bucket of cheese either.

Hey... you can still have an opinion on film without having read the comics. I'm sure plenty of posters haven't read the comics of all the superhero films they love/hate. There is a whole other audience out there other than comic fans you know! I stopped reading SM ages ago, but that doesn't mean I can't appreciate the SM films anymore (if they were still good).

I'm sorry if I am getting the wrong impression, it was probably the comparison with Batman that confused me, but it seemed to me that there was expectation that Spider-man should be more like TDK - dark and more brooding. Which in my view isn't Spider-man at all.

And also, please do note that I did say that after the first film, the film does go downhill! I am just saying that people shouldn't expect too much from Spider-man who has always been somewhat more cheerful/campier than Batman. He has always been that way in the Spider-man comics I've read.

 

[the_joker]

I don't mean to be a buzz-kill, but I think this is getting a tiny bit heated.

Everyone is hating on me now.

It's my fault though, I don't think I am getting what I mean to say across very well.

 

[p4poetic]

No one is hating

 

[NinjaCarm]

You two are arguing about things that aren't even there. For Christ sake no where did NinjaCarm say Spidey should be dark and brooding like a Batman movie.

He is saying that the Spider-Man movies should be taken seriously like the Batman movies...in other words the work and dedication to making a good movie that is faithful to the comics and not watered down for whatever various reasons.

Thank you Venom 1988 and Daredevil 2003 and a few others. NO WHERE DID I SAY IT SHOULD BE DARK. I explained myself didn't I? I want exactly what Venom 1988 allued to... a trilogy worthy of the Spider-Man mythology and not watered down and *****fied!!!! I am so sick of people around here when you say "I would have liked Spider-Man to be like Dark Knight" they jump all over you and they think you meant dark!!!! You are all a bunch of Raimi lovin morons!!!!!!! My god!!!!!

Look at the first Ninja Turtle movie for Christ sake and see how unwatered down, non *****fied that was and how long its quality has lasted!!! THATS WHAT I WANT!!!!!!!!

 

[Daredevil_2003]

Naw, the late 90s/early 00s.

But no I have read some of the earlier USM, they never really grabbed me. But the ones I did read didn't seem that intense. If anything, they were kind of annoying with even more coverage of MJ and relationship problems. I don't know, I just think you and the OP are just expecting too much from a Spider-man movie. It's never going to be like a Batman film unless they drastically depart from the original comics. I agree with you that after the first film, it started going downhill and got to the third film where it was rubbish. But Peter's everyday life does/did play a big part in the comics. So Raimi has just been incorporating that while messing up villains' origin stories.

Fair enough, I love it personally. USM that is. Best damn Spidey ever, if you ask me. I like the way it's been handled in almost every aspect. MJ doesn't bother me so much as I've never really cared about which skank Peter swoons over first like some do. Although I do love the portrayal of both gals in USM.

I don't think it's expecting too much to want film in the style of USM. It's pretty much the same thing as the movies we've gotten so far just a lot edgier and smarter...and no piss poor villains or dancing or losing powers from psychosis (seriously wtf was that?) or Sandman killing UNcle Ben...

Raimi does include the essential elements and does some of them well but the gaffs are just way too annoying to forgive. It's been mentioned plenty of times now that Nolan's movies are pretty different from the established mythos but the difference is how well it's done and that most of the changes are damn good (even Rachel Dawes...it's mainly Katie Holmes that ruined the character). I actually prefer them to the comics, now.

But whatever...my hopes aren't exactly high that we'll ever get a movie like that...especially if Raimi does indeed come back for 4.

PS: Only two people have gotten heated so far, don't sweat it. They just need a chill pill...

 

[Venom75]

I kind of agree with the topic. Let's face it,The Dark Knight isn't Spider-man and vice versa...but,the film did change the whole landscape of the comic book movie world.
Should Spider-man be as dark and gritty as Batman? Hell no. As many have said,they are very different characters that exist in very different worlds.
When I look at the Spider-man films now,I still love every one of them. But let's face it,there are ALOT of cheesy and corny moments in each film that I certainly don't like. I'd like the Spidey films to be a little more...adult. Not...dark,mind you,but more "grown up." Spider-man 3 is the one example I'd use. I liked the film but the subject matter needed to be dealt with and handled with more seriousness. The whole black suit/Venom saga should've been more complex(and even a little dark). The same goes for Harry and his feelings of anger and revenge. But instead it was all played for goofy fun.
The villains all leave alot to be desired as well. When I saw The Dark Knight,I really got the sense of menace from the Joker. Here was a character who really tested the hero and he really felt like a serious threat for the entire film. I can't say the same for Spidey's foes. The Goblin in the first film was ULTRA cheesy,Harry had a great story going untill Spidey 3,Sandman didn't seem the least bit threatening to me and Venom(who had the greatest potential to be the ultimate test for Spidey)was completely wasted. Doc Ock in part 2 was the only baddie who seemed to be a dangerous threat to not only Spidey,but the city. But even he had his corny lines and moments.
Again,Spider-man is a fun character and I do like all 3 films,but I just wish(looking back)that they were made more for adults and less for kids.

 

[NinjaCarm]

I kind of agree with the topic. Let's face it,The Dark Knight isn't Spider-man and vice versa...but,the film did change the whole landscape of the comic book movie world.
Should Spider-man be as dark and gritty as Batman? Hell no. As many have said,they are very different characters that exist in very different worlds.
When I look at the Spider-man films now,I still love every one of them. But let's face it,there are ALOT of cheesy and corny moments in each film that I certainly don't like. I'd like the Spidey films to be a little more...adult. Not...dark,mind you,but more "grown up." Spider-man 3 is the one example I'd use. I liked the film but the subject matter needed to be dealt with and handled with more seriousness. The whole black suit/Venom saga should've been more complex(and even a little dark). The same goes for Harry and his feelings of anger and revenge. But instead it was all played for goofy fun.
The villains all leave alot to be desired as well. When I saw The Dark Knight,I really got the sense of menace from the Joker. Here was a character who really tested the hero and he really felt like a serious threat for the entire film. I can't say the same for Spidey's foes. The Goblin in the first film was ULTRA cheesy,Harry had a great story going untill Spidey 3,Sandman didn't seem the least bit threatening to me and Venom(who had the greatest potential to be the ultimate test for Spidey)was completely wasted. Doc Ock in part 2 was the only baddie who seemed to be a dangerous threat to not only Spidey,but the city. But even he had his corny lines and moments.
Again,Spider-man is a fun character and I do like all 3 films,but I just wish(looking back)that they were made more for adults and less for kids.

That's a good way of putting it Venom 75.

 

[LightningFlash]

You two are arguing about things that aren't even there. For Christ sake no where did NinjaCarm say Spidey should be dark and brooding like a Batman movie.

He is saying that the Spider-Man movies should be taken seriously like the Batman movies...in other words the work and dedication to making a good movie that is faithful to the comics and not watered down for whatever various reasons.

When someone says this :

I can only imagine a true Spider-Man series, with Gwen Stacey in the first two films, Doc Ock the first villian, Green Goblin in part 2 (being set up as Spider-Man's best villian ala the Joker in Dark Knight) killing Gwen Stacy and then having Mary Jane be set up as Peter's confidant and next love. Thank's Raimi. I am maybe 5% excited about part 4, simply because the Lizard will most likely be in it.

it sounds like he wished Green Goblin showed up in S-M 2 like Joker...so yes, he said he wishes Spider-Man was just like Batman with the films.

Nor did I said anything about Spider-Man being dark, however I think Spider-Man 3 should've been darker than it was, and that's only because of Venom being in the film.

 

[Jick]

Spider-Man 3 should've been darker. all the trailers hinted at it.

 

[NinjaCarm]

You know what I don't care anymore. To hell with it and with people who don't appreciate what could have been for the Spider-Man series, a more adult grown up atmosphere but still fun. Whatever.

I hope Spider-Man 4 is more of the same crap just so all of you who like your Spider-Man watered down, get what you deserve.

 

[Venom75]

Spider-Man 3 should've been darker. all the trailers hinted at it.

I think Spider-man 3 is the one and only instance when a Spidey movie should be dark and brooding. Any Spider-man movie that deals with Venom and the symbiote should be dark,complex and frightening. After all,the whole theme is darkness,revenge and a person's inner demons.

 

[Symbiote666]

I don't get why people are banging on about this so much just because of TDK.

How many Batman movies did it take for them to get it right?

How can you hate movies that came out years ago because Nolan got it right after 3 or 4 failed movies?

 

[LightningFlash]

Because Nolan did make a perfect Batman film with telling his origin, which never showed in a movie before. That's why people enjoyed BB, and TDK was just amazing with continuity from the previous movie and Ledger was an amazing Joker at that. Plus if a third comes out, the chance of having Batman as a "villain" in the beginning would be outstanding and one would think Nolan can pull it off.

 

[p4poetic]

Because Nolan did make a perfect Batman film with telling his origin, which never showed in a movie before. That's why people enjoyed BB, and TDK was just amazing with continuity from the previous movie and Ledger was an amazing Joker at that. Plus if a third comes out, the chance of having Batman as a "villain" in the beginning would be outstanding and one would think Nolan can pull it off.

For me, Spider-Man's origin isn't really that deep enough (or to be frank, interesting enough) to warrant a whole film dedicated to it.

 

[LightningFlash]

Yah, the first Spider-Man was a fantastic movie. It just got worse, imo.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I hope Spider-Man 4 is more of the same crap just so all of you who like your Spider-Man watered down, get what you deserve.

What if it is an amazing film? What then? As others have said, it took maultiple times to get batman right.

 

[spider-neil]

putting SM3 to one side I think the franchise is superb, I only have a few 'minor' problems

a) he takes off his mask too often
but you can understand why, its to make a connection with the audiance and you do that best with eyes. even non human characters like wall-e have 'eyes'.

b) he doesn't quip often enough
but understandable to keep the pace and flow of the movie going

c) too much focus on the girl
but that is the theme of the franchise.

other than that as far as I'm concerned aces!! and TDK isn't going to change my opinion of that. my only fear is that SM4 will be closer to SM3 than SM1/SM2.

 

[Symbiote666]

putting SM3 to one side I think the franchise is superb, I only have a few 'minor' problems

a) he takes off his mask too often
but you can understand why, its to make a connection with the audiance and you do that best with eyes. even non human characters like wall-e have 'eyes'.
.

Not really, they do it because a stunt guy fills in for Tobey for most of the in-suit shots, which basically means the hero actor of the movie doesn't do a single thing in the hero shots other than stand in a studio and record his lines.

 

[KrazyJ1098]

What if it is an amazing film? What then? As others have said, it took maultiple times to get batman right.

The only snag in that argument is that Batman had to get a complete reboot in order to pull it off.

 

[JLBats]

You're disgusted?
That's pretty hyperbolic for a bunch of entertaining films.

The Spider-Man movies are more creative, witty, comic booky and cockeyed than the Batman films. Sometimes you want one, sometimes you want the other. But I will say, I feel the Spider-Man films were made by people with a lot more passion for the source material than the Batman movies were.

 

[I Am The Knight]

I will say this, the quality of the script better be freaking good for Spider-Man 4. No more idiocy.

 

[Jick]

well, my hope is James Vanderbilt, but I don't even know if he is still alive...
we got no word from him.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

well, my hope is James Vanderbilt, but I don't even know if he is still alive...
we got no word from him.

Jame Vanderbilt isn't writing the script anymore. David Lindsay-Abaire, who's a pulitzer prize winning writer has taken his place.