Sequels In retrospect - I'm disgusted with the series.

[2nzy]

Ninja Carm is right
it's as tho Raimi knows nothing about the story or characters he says he's a fan of

 

[Visionary]

Neither does Marvel, but what are we gonna do, they own the Trademarks and Copyright to the character, eh?

 

[2nzy]

out of 3 spider-man films there is 1 alright film,Spidey2
spider-man doesnt need to be dark
it needs to be handled properly and respectfully which so far it isnt.
nolan's work is good and makes an entertaing story
and the original 60s batman movie is still the best
the other 4 suck,I dont really like BB but it's part of nolan's story and works setting up the 2nd films badguy etc like Raimi should have been doing.
the problem is now he's created 1 hell of a mess to sort out.
Spidey's comics are amazing and sometimes fun,sometimes darker than Batman.
there are Goblin/Venom/Kraven storys which beat tdk anyday
plus nolan's Batman has a stupid sore throat which is laughable
it would help if when making a Spiderman film you stuck to what actually happens and is in the comic.
and as stated,the Spidey origin could've been handled in the 1st 10 mins
Dafoe would've made an awesome Goblin if Raimi hadnt got Spidey confused with Power Rangers.
and to mess up as bad as in 3 he doesnt deserve to make the sequels
Harry was handled horribly,Venom inexcusable,his best work has come from Ock.
He never even resolved the MJ situation he created in 3,
why would she give in to Harry when she knows her boyfriend is spiderman!lol

 

[Visionary]

You can't do any villain justice, if they don't lose the catering to children, period. When a villain isn't a real villain, or a watered down version of a villain, it brings down the entire film.

 

[Spiderine]

You can't do any villain justice, if they don't lose the catering to children, period. When a villain isn't a real villain, or a watered down version of a villain, it brings down the entire film.

You are so right. These candy coated villains like Sandman who don't want to be a bad person and offers heart felt apologies to Spiderman before drifting off into the night to rob and steal again and Brock/Venom who begs on his hands and knees before God to kill Peter with tears in his eyes for rather weak reasons for wanting someone dead. " Catch us if you can Spiderman". Very cute.

 

[LightningFlash]

What if it is an amazing film? What then? As others have said, it took maultiple times to get batman right.

Maultiple times?

How many is that?

 

[Matt Murdock]

What if it is an amazing film? What then? As others have said, it took maultiple times to get batman right.

I count one.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Maultiple times?

How many is that?

Burton's Batman was very good, but the overall extremely massive success didn't come until TDk or BB. However, '89 Batman is still popular. So, I'd say 2 or 3, but most likely 2 (Batman Forever and Batman & Robin.) Now, BB was the overall "right" route for Batman in people's minds, but like I said, some people still consider Burtons Batman the route Batman, so actually, I'm proven wrong a little here.

It's funny, people use to praise Sam. Now, they dislike him. It's just a cycle that will go on with every comic film franchise. It's annoying, but hey, what can I or anybody do about it? I can

 

[Spider-Fan]

Ninja, this is the third thread you have started basically bowing at the feet of Nolan's Batman and bashing Raimi's Spider-Man. Do you have to make a new thread everytime you get pissed off at the SM series? Once was enough man. Vent your frustrations in existing threads before you make new ones for yourself. I don't feel this warranted a new thread, and hope it gets either merged or deleted out right.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ I second that.

 

[spider-neil]

Not really, they do it because a stunt guy fills in for Tobey for most of the in-suit shots, which basically means the hero actor of the movie doesn't do a single thing in the hero shots other than stand in a studio and record his lines.

my point still stands, I personally don't think the scene where spidey stops the train would have been as powerful if you couldn't see the pain and strain he was under or how he black out at the end.

what about the scene when spidey and gobby are having the dialouge on top of the building with spidey paralysed and unable to move, the scene is muted because you can't spidey spide's expressions and gobby's mouth doesn't move.

I don't like sam taking off the mask but I can see why he does it.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Presumably he meant instead of a dark brooding Bruce Wayne clone.


I don't really know what you mean taken 'seriously'? Spider-man is a guy who got special powers from being bitten by a radioactive spider. Batman is a human who uses weaponry and had extensive training. And have you ever read the SM comics by the way? Because last time I read them, they were remarkably tame and were never as dark or so 'serious' as Batman. He has always been your 'friendly neighbourhood spider-man' who saves kid's balloons sometimes inbetween saving New York (and the world) from megalomaniac villains.

I think he means influenced by people outside of the knowledge of the comics. Studio big wigs for example, forcing Raimi and co to do things so that the films will appeal to a wider audience so they can make more moolah.

Yes spiderman has always been "Your friendly neighbourhood spiderman". But that doesn't mean he is in a friendly world with friendly issues to deal with. He hasn't gotta be as dark or "realistic" as Batman, i definitely don't want that. But I don't want a whiny ***** of a spiderman who is always moping around because of a girl. I want to see the wise cracking, kick ass spidey from the comics. The problem i find with the spidey series (aprt from the first one) is that they have made Parker an unlikeably little twerp. IMO they have anyway. I actually like Harry more than Parker, and i'm not the only one who thinks that.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Thank you Venom 1988 and Daredevil 2003 and a few others. NO WHERE DID I SAY IT SHOULD BE DARK. I explained myself didn't I? I want exactly what Venom 1988 allued to... a trilogy worthy of the Spider-Man mythology and not watered down and *****fied!!!! I am so sick of people around here when you say "I would have liked Spider-Man to be like Dark Knight" they jump all over you and they think you meant dark!!!! You are all a bunch of Raimi lovin morons!!!!!!! My god!!!!!

Look at the first Ninja Turtle movie for Christ sake and see how unwatered down, non *****fied that was and how long its quality has lasted!!! THATS WHAT I WANT!!!!!!!!

TMNT 1990 is still in my top 10 comic book films. Humour, realistic dark undertones and kick ass action.

 

[Daredevil_2003]

Tobey Maguire doesn't help much. He's probably the most overrated actor of this generation. I've seen many of his films and he's always one of if not the weakest link in the cast.

I finally saw The Good German (great movie, btw) Sunday and he was pathetic in it. I really can't stand the guy and don't understand why he continues getting raves.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I don't get why people are banging on about this so much just because of TDK.

How many Batman movies did it take for them to get it right?

How can you hate movies that came out years ago because Nolan got it right after 3 or 4 failed movies?

The first one that was released in 1989

 

[Ace of Knaves]

You're disgusted?
That's pretty hyperbolic for a bunch of entertaining films.

The Spider-Man movies are more creative, witty, comic booky and cockeyed than the Batman films. Sometimes you want one, sometimes you want the other. But I will say, I feel the Spider-Man films were made by people with a lot more passion for the source material than the Batman movies were.

You think the people that made the spidey movies have more passion than the people who made the batman movies? hahaha Do me a favour!

We're talking about a director (Raimi) who decided to completely change some of the villains, who let the studio interfer with his creative control.

If the studio came up to Chris Nolan and started telling him what to do and what to include he would tell them to piss off. You know why? Because he actually cares about his movies, he actually cares about preserving the Bat-mythos. Raimi and co don't give a toss really, you can tell they don't. If they did they would let some suit dictate what they are going to do.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Tobey Maguire doesn't help much. He's probably the most overrated actor of this generation. I've seen many of his films and he's always one of if not the weakest link in the cast.

I finally saw The Good German (great movie, btw) Sunday and he was pathetic in it. I really can't stand the guy and don't understand why he continues getting raves.

Well what has Maguire done since he has become Spidey? Nothing of note. Says it all really.

 

[Daredevil_2003]

Well what has Maguire done since he has become Spidey? Nothing of note. Says it all really.

Seabiscuit and The Good German are the only ones since Spidey I can think of off the top of my head. The latter is very good but in no way due to his 'contribution'.

EDIT: Just checked his IMDB and those 2 are the only movies other than Spidey he's done since 2001!

 

[I Am The Knight]

We're talking about a director (Raimi) who decided to completely change some of the villains, who let the studio interfer with his creative control.

As much as it pains me, I have to step up here and say that Nolan has made somel changes to characters as well. Bruce himself and Batman, Ra's Al Ghul, The Joker to a lesser extent and certainly Two-Face were changed to fit his vision.

I'm not huge on Spidey comics so I can't really tell you who changed the characters more, but Nolan did redesign the characters as well.

 

[p4poetic]

Tobey Maguire doesn't help much. He's probably the most overrated actor of this generation. I've seen many of his films and he's always one of if not the weakest link in the cast.

I finally saw The Good German (great movie, btw) Sunday and he was pathetic in it. I really can't stand the guy and don't understand why he continues getting raves.

I wasn't aware he was a rated actor of this generation to begin with

Well what has Maguire done since he has become Spidey? Nothing of note. Says it all really.

No it doesn't. What makes you think that has any sort of significance?

 

[Ace of Knaves]

As much as it pains me, I have to step up here and say that Nolan has made somel changes to characters as well. Bruce himself and Batman, Ra's Al Ghul, The Joker to a lesser extent and certainly Two-Face were changed to fit his vision.

I'm not huge on Spidey comics so I can't really tell you who changed the characters more, but Nolan did redesign the characters as well.

Yea but he made changes that make it better. Why make Green Goblin look like a power ranger? Why make Sandman Uncle Bens killer? All these changes were needless and stupid, no excuses.

 

[WeaponXProject]

Literally since Spidey 3, he has only been a cameo in Tropic Thunder as himself playing a gay monk. That's it.


But to his defense he did have a baby so he is busy being a father...maybe...always thought he was gay but who knows.

 

[Daredevil_2003]

I wasn't aware he was a rated actor of this generation to begin with

Not too much recently but with Seabiscuit and The Cider House Rules etc critics were praising him...I just don't see why. He's a goof, and not in a good way.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

No it doesn't. What makes you think that has any sort of significance?

How doesn't it? It shows that after everyone has seen him as Spidey there are not interested in offering any other roles.

Look at Bale, he is Batman but has been in loads of films since.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Yea but he made changes that make it better. Why make Green Goblin look like a power ranger? Why make Sandman Uncle Bens killer? All these changes were needless and stupid, no excuses.

I like the changes fine, but some characters did suffer because of them. Mostly Ra's Al Ghul and Two-Face. I just want to acknowledge that Nolan is no saint.

Agreed on The Green Ranger BTW