Indonesian Christians riot as three executed

[hippy fascist]

This has been going on for decades...Its nice to see the Christians are actually fighting back this time.

Killing children is not fighting back. Many recent terror attacks have killed people indescriminately, these morons were killin CHILDREN. They're worse than the majority of terrorists. They are scum, end of story

 

[jaguarr]

This is why it is important to realise the problems between England, The US and certain Muslim states and practices are a clash of culture rather than religion any right thinking person from our culture has as much of a problem with Christians who behave in this way.

- Whirly

Eloquently stated, Whirly.

jag

 

[kainedamo]

It's not even a cultural clash.

It's a clash of the 21st century and yesterday. Between the old way of thinking and the new way of thinking. It's a clash between people who want to move forward and people that want to move backwards. There is no difference between a Muslim who wrongly believes other religions should be made to believe what he does, and a Christian that believes the same thing. No difference between a priest that tries to justify the actions of a man that kills an abortion clinic doctor and a (what's the Muslim equivalant of a priest again?) that tries to justify the actions of Muslim men that would bring about violence in the name of religion.

There are religious people that have minds of their own and don't need a Pope or whatever to tell them condoms are evil. And there are religious people that would rather be dominated in every facet of life by an invisible God. People that would hunt witches if they were told to.

That's the conflict we have to deal with in the 21st century.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

You are correct. That was wrong.

But I think what the guy is getting at is the loooooong history of Muslim aggression against the Christians and the them taking it on the chin for over decade.

The amazing differrence is the amount of time it took for them to reach the boiling point. Muslims would have rioted 10 years ago.

Christians are not perfect. They has weaknesses like everyone else. This was trageic. Note how the guy's father told them not to seek revenge??

Killing those children was wrong. It can only lead to more problems.

It's teachings like that make Christianity different than Islam.

gee, this post has no outrage, no overuse of exclamation points, weird, when you consider they killed children.

 

[NOFX]

Dude... they attacked school children. There is no excuse for that. You're not a very nice human being if you honestly believe senseless violence is "nice".

Please you have no idea whats been going on Indonesia these last 10 years! Muslims have been persecuting christians, buddist, or anyone thats non-muslim. It is sooo bad out there that my dad cant even visit his own coutry because he is Chrsitian. Muslim have been responsible for killing innocent christians for decades now!!! Christians finally fight back and they get criticized? Please you dont know **** about my country, please go away!

 

[NOFX]

Killing children is not fighting back. Many recent terror attacks have killed people indescriminately, these morons were killin CHILDREN. They're worse than the majority of terrorists. They are scum, end of story

People need to protect themselves from these Muslim extremist! Its about time Christians Indonesians like myself fought back!

 

[hippy fascist]

Please you have no idea whats been going on Indonesia these last 10 years! Muslims have been persecuting christians, buddist, or anyone thats non-muslim. It is sooo bad out there that my dad cant even visit his own coutry because he is Chrsitian. Muslim have been responsible for killing innocent christians for decades now!!! Christians finally fight back and they get criticized? Please you dont know **** about my country, please go away!

But they're not specifically targeting children. There are other ways of doing things, ANYONE who involves kids in war/conflict of this kind is evil. What many middle eastern countries do when they put guns in the hands of children is totally wrong, what christians in america are doing with there jesus camps at the moment is wrong. But when you start killing children as a mark of protest you have crossed the line and deserve everything you get. Simple as that

 

[NOFX]

You are correct. That was wrong.

But I think what the guy is getting at is the loooooong history of Muslim aggression against the Christians and the them taking it on the chin for over decade.

The amazing differrence is the amount of time it took for them to reach the boiling point. Muslims would have rioted 10 years ago.

Christians are not perfect. They has weaknesses like everyone else. This was trageic. Note how the guy's father told them not to seek revenge??

Killing those children was wrong. It can only lead to more problems.

It's teachings like that make Christianity different than Islam.

Agreed.

 

[NOFX]

But they're not specifically targeting children. There are other ways of doing things, ANYONE who involves kids in war/conflict of this kind is evil. What many middle eastern countries do when they put guns in the hands of children is totally wrong, what christians in america are doing with there jesus camps at the moment is wrong. But when you start killing children as a mark of protest you have crossed the line and deserve everything you get. Simple as that

For decades Christians have let aside the genocide of the muslims have done to us. We have always preached non-violence. My father immigrated here in the states so I wouldnt have to go what he had to go through growing a Christian in Indonesia. This is the kind of Heroic sacrifices you see everyday of Christians Indonesia! Leaving the country that he leaves so I can have a better chance than he did. This last decade all I read in Indo News is Muslims killing Christians and getting away with it! Government dont ****ing care! The only time they did something agianst these terrorist is during the 2002 Bali bombings and thats was because Australia and the U.S finally pressured them into doing something! Yes im sorry for the innocent people that were killed but im glad most of those who were responsible are dead.

 

[hippy fascist]

I'm not saying don't fight back but at the end of the day anyone with the slightest shred of honour lives by a simple rule

NO WOMEN, NO KIDS​

 

[NOFX]

I'm not saying don't fight back but at the end of the day anyone with the slightest shred of honour lives by a simple rule

NO WOMEN, NO KIDS​

Its tragic woman and kids died But its war now...

 

[Addendum]

Lock up your wives, hide your kids...

We're at war *****es

 

[NOFX]

Lock up your wives, hide your kids...

We're at war *****es

say whatever you want, nothing will change. This is not your problem, this is our problem. This is our war, not yours!

 

[Addendum]

So why should I sympathize with a group that killed kids because "they're at war"

 

[NOFX]

So why should I sympathize with a group that killed kids because "they're at war"

You shouldnt because ithis is not your problem, its ours! Leave it at that!

 

[hippy fascist]

say whatever you want, nothing will change. This is not your problem, this is our problem. This is our war, not yours!

That is just about the most ******ed statement I have ever read. You see there's these things called rules of engagement in any war. KIDS WHO HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG ARE NOT A VALID TARGET

Take a long hard look at that picture and tell me that you still think anyone is fair game in war ​

 

[NOFX]

That is just about the most ******ed statement I have ever read. You see there's these things called rules of engagement in any war. KIDS WHO HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG ARE NOT A VALID TARGET

Take a long hard look at that picture and tell me that you still think anyone is fair game in war ​

It war everyone is fair game. of course we would live to avoid killing innocent woman and children but its impossible to avoid in times of war. You think the American Patriots never killed anyone innocent during WWII?

 

[Addendum]

You shouldnt because ithis is not your problem, its ours! Leave it at that!

So if it's christians killing kids, it's condoned. But if muslims kill kids, then it's an act of terror.

 

[NOFX]

So if it's christians killing kids, it's condoned. But if muslims kill kids, then it's an act of terror.

I dont condone any kids being killed but it is war now! Would you consider the American soldiers in Iraq who probably are resposible for some deaths of innocent woman and children as terrorist?

 

[Addendum]

It war everyone is fair game. of course we would live to avoid killing innocent woman and children but its impossible to avoid in times of war. You think the American Patriots never killed anyone innocent during WWII?

Nope. Sorry. There is a little thing called "Rules of Engagement" that each country has when they pursue military action.

Also, there are "laws of war", which rely on the UN Charter, the Geneva Convention and the Hague Conventions. And then during the Nuremburg War Trials, you had the customary rules of war.

Some of the central principles underlying laws of war are:

* That wars should be limited to achieving the political goals that started the war (e.g., territorial control) and should not include unnecessary destruction
* That wars should be brought to an end as quickly as possible
* That people and property that do not contribute to the war effort be protected against unnecessary destruction and hardship

To this end, laws of war are intended to mitigate the evils of war by:

* Protecting both combatants and noncombatants from unnecessary suffering;
* Safeguarding certain fundamental human rights of persons who fall into the hands of the enemy, particularly prisoners of war, the wounded and sick, and civilians; and
* Facilitating the restoration of peace.

So, how did those kids pose a threat to those christians?

 

[NOFX]

Nope. Sorry. There is a little thing called "Rules of Engagement" that each country has when they pursue military action.

Also, there are "laws of war", which rely on the UN Charter, the Geneva Convention and the Hague Conventions. And then during the Nuremburg War Trials, you had the customary rules of war.

Some of the central principles underlying laws of war are:

* That wars should be limited to achieving the political goals that started the war (e.g., territorial control) and should not include unnecessary destruction
* That wars should be brought to an end as quickly as possible
* That people and property that do not contribute to the war effort be protected against unnecessary destruction and hardship

To this end, laws of war are intended to mitigate the evils of war by:

* Protecting both combatants and noncombatants from unnecessary suffering;
* Safeguarding certain fundamental human rights of persons who fall into the hands of the enemy, particularly prisoners of war, the wounded and sick, and civilians; and
* Facilitating the restoration of peace.

So, how did those kids pose a threat to those christians?

Any how many countries actually followed those rules during war or should I say civil war. Agian this is our problem not yours!!!

 

[hippy fascist]

It war everyone is fair game. of course we would live to avoid killing innocent woman and children but its impossible to avoid in times of war. You think the American Patriots never killed anyone innocent during WWII?

yes of course...everyone's fair game. It's a shame you never met this guy, you would have gotten on great

and based on your lack of knowledge on other subjects I'll give you a head start and tell you his name was POL POT. Look it up and then come back and tell me everyone's fair game ​

 

[Addendum]

Any how many countries actually followed those rules during war or should I say civil war. Agian this is our problem not yours!!!

It's just a thread on the internet. Lighten up.

Just because one side ignores the rules, doesn't mean that the other side should do the same.

If the best that indonese christians can do after years of oppression is to kill children, then they deserve what they got

 

[Addendum]

It war everyone is fair game. of course we would live to avoid killing innocent woman and children but its impossible to avoid in times of war. You think the American Patriots never killed anyone innocent during WWII?

American Patriots?

Isn't that a football team?

 

[NOFX]

It's just a thread on the internet. Lighten up.

Just because one side ignores the rules, doesn't mean that the other side should do the same.

If the best that indonese christians can do after years of oppression is to kill children, then they deserve what they got

Let me tell you something which happen 7 years ago. East Timor was a state in Indonesia, it wouldnt to be an independent country due to the fact the majority there was Christian. U know how the Indonesain government respond? They sent there army doing "ethnic Cleansing". Almost 100,000 East Timorian died. And the only reason Indonesian government stopped because American and Australia was going to stop giving them aide. Did the President get arrested? because Im sure he violated one of those Geneva laws! Nope he didnt. Sure eventually he re-signed but than was quickly replaced by his General Commander. No one going to help Indo Christians, we have to help ourselves which is why Im glad there finally fighting back!