International Women's Day (Feminism and other stuff)

[ComicChick]

Chances of this thread being able to produce a reasonable, level headed discussion are probably slim.

Which is a shame because there have been some very good answers here

 

[PhasedPlasma101]

It's pretty clear that the OP has no idea what the word feminism actually means. I suggest he educates himself, but here, I'll kindly give him a little head start by giving him the actual definition of the word:



Hopefully that won't offend his poor, delicate white male sensibilities too much.

Why are you being so hostile towards the OP? Why would you presume to know his race?

He was merely making an observation and giving his opinion on yet another arbitrary thing in society.

Anyways, I couldn't really care less but it does seem that women are very self-congratulatory these days on social media. Even for basic, everyday things like motherhood and merely raising their children.

I don't really understand because it's been obvious all year that women are getting their voice out there regarding equality at work and dating.

Just look at the Oscars. Or the Golden Globes. Or the rallies. Women have been active in advocacy for the entire year and America hears them loud and clear, rightfully so.

Those barbies are great, Sarah Connor kicks ass, rey kicks ass. There have been inspiring women in society for centuries. Modern women, as a whole, seem to need validation more than ever.

Even though it is useless and cosmetic, Happy Int'l Women's Day. I have many great ones in my life and know many more

 

[Donner]

"Merely raising their children."

Oh, wtf.

 

[PhasedPlasma101]

Sry you chose to take one admittedly poor thought to jump all over. I didn't mean it the way it read, wasn't meant to water down the task that is 24/7. Just saying, I don't think doing your job as a parent should be constantly lauded and applauded. Did your folks get digital pats on the back daily?

I take it back in the tone how that phrasing came off . I recognize with my own two eyes how difficult and cumbersome it can be with little ones.

Just saying, I've noticed that a lot of stay at home moms or "self-employed" moms are always posting long diatribes about something great they did as a mom or something great their kids said or did. To me, it is fishing for compliments and to elicit praise and have all the other moms 'like' their mundane, pretentious daily events.

I've witnessed amazing moms in my family and others who merely did A+ jobs and gave all they could to their children and they didn't need to have anybody give them props. Maybe that is just the lame sphere of people I see post but it is most certainly a recurrent theme on my feed

 

[ComicChick]

Thank you for clarifying your statement plasma. I inferred it how you meant it but I can see how others could interpret it negatively, as you can see as well based on what you said.

As for the diatribes, I assume you see these things on social media. I’m not particularly a fan of social media as much but while I’ve been on bed rest these last 8 days, I’ve read far more Facebook and twitter than I have the whole year combined. And what ive learned more than anything is that it seems like people just feel like they gotta say something to be relevant. There are people on my timeline who post 20 times a day or more and aren’t really saying anything of substance. And then there are those who have to share their opinions on any and everything under the sun. I find myself “hiding” things I don’t want to see more than anything else these days lol

I wonder though how much the analytics of those sites are affecting my judgement. We no longer see things chronologically and these sites determine who and what we see on our friends list, so in a way I just kind of think of it as akin to how the media shows and emphasizes certain things.

 

[BestGirl]

The whole point of social media is to act like a virtual diary, so it shouldn't surprise anyone to see people posting endless minutiae about themselves.

As for why thee's an International Women's Day, perhaps it's because women live as de facto and even de jure second class citizens over much of the world? Just a thought.

 

[Flash525]

Some of the responses here are exactly the reason problems with sexism, racism (etc) exist in the first place - there's an unfortunate sense of irony in that.

Can't someone post about a subjective matter in this day and age without being ridiculed and/or subjected to [forms of] abuse? Why does everyone have to be politically correct all the time? If anything is pathetic around here, it's that - and that is the only thing anyone should be threatened by.

You ain't lasting here long.

You're in for a shock!

Considering there is also an International Men's Day, I don't really understand why this upsets you enough to make a thread complaining about it.

You and I both know that International Woman's Day and International Men's Day are viewed very differently, and that my friend, is the problem; they shouldn't be, neither day has an actual reason to exist short of highlighting the problems within society that need fixing.

And the reason people feel like they need to push issues like pro women, pro black, pro gay, etc. is because there is still struggle in those areas.

On this, I cannot argue.

To your point, can't we all just get along and let other people celebrate things you don't necessarily celebrate?

We should be able too, yeah, and that is one of the points I'm attempting to make.

It's pretty clear that the OP has no idea what the word feminism actually means. I suggest he educates himself, but here, I'll kindly give him a little head start by giving him the actual definition of the word.

Hopefully that won't offend his poor, delicate white male sensibilities too much.

It's pretty clear to me that, short of my skin colour, you know nothing about me. You shouldn't be so quick to judge, especially as you're seemingly calling me out for doing the same.

OP didn't say they were white.

More Pink/Badge...

Chances of this thread being able to produce a reasonable, level headed discussion are probably slim.

This thread, and in turn the subject material isn't the problem; it's some of the posters that'll ruin the discussion because they're either ignorant or they're high and mighty and can't actually discuss.

 

[BestGirl]

Are you the type of person who thinks there ought to be straight pride parades as well as gay pride ones?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

International Women's Day, Black History Month, etc. A very good way to reminds of the problems of the past and that they must be avoided. Also every year they seem to show us just how much we still have to go.

 

[Laderlappen]

It's pretty clear that the OP has no idea what the word feminism actually means. I suggest he educates himself, but here, I'll kindly give him a little head start by giving him the actual definition of the word:



Hopefully that won't offend his poor, delicate white male sensibilities too much.

The self-awareness when you say you're for equality in the same sentence as you attack someone's race and gender.


I don't mind the International Women's Day. There is after all also an International Men's Day. While you get some cringy stuff in both days, I find them both to be mostly positive.

 

[C. Lee]

In any case, is there a point to this?

Why is it, that in this day and age, elements or themes such as pro women, or pro black (black lives matter?) something that needs to be pushed?

Is society truly that backwards that we can't all just be equal, regardless of what's between our legs, the colour of our skin, or our sexual orientation? It's kind of pathetic really that we're not there yet.

The "point" of this is.....right now, and for thousands of years, the world has been unequally divided. Humans attack and denigrate those they see as different and thus see as inferior. The strong don't help the weak, but rather take advantage of them. There is race against race....segments of a race against other segments of the same race....people of one sexual basis against people of another sexual basis....and so on. Woman have been treated as second class, or worse, citizens around the world for thousands of years. Taking ONE DAY out of the year to remind people that women deserve to be treated fairly and equally does not seem to be too much to ask of the....**gentlemen**....of the world.

 

[Donner]

C. Lee for the win.

 

[Flash525]

Are you the type of person who thinks there ought to be straight pride parades as well as gay pride ones?

No actually, if you'd took the time to read rather than jump to conclusions you'd know that.

I'm saying there's no need for a straight parade anymore than there is a LGBT parade.

I don't mind the International Women's Day. There is after all also an International Men's Day. While you get some cringy stuff in both days, I find them both to be mostly positive.

What's overly positive about International Men's Day? Compare it to International Women's Day, what exactly are Men having this day for? If Women have their day to remind us all of their hardships, then men are having a day for what reason? To remind us that some of them were ***** in the past?

[that's more a rhetorical question]

The "point" of this is.....right now, and for thousands of years, the world has been unequally divided. Humans attack and denigrate those they see as different and thus see as inferior. The strong don't help the weak, but rather take advantage of them. There is race against race....segments of a race against other segments of the same race....people of one sexual basis against people of another sexual basis....and so on. Woman have been treated as second class, or worse, citizens around the world for thousands of years. Taking ONE DAY out of the year to remind people that women deserve to be treated fairly and equally does not seem to be too much to ask of the....**gentlemen**....of the world.

I get the notion, but by this logic we'll one day have a Muslim Day for all the persecution and resentment held by westerners toward he middle-east. Except, we likely wont have a day like this, will we?

Extremely different example, I know, I couldn't think of anything else to use as an example. In any case, yes, we should be aware of our past, but taking one year out to remind everyone that women should be our equals - men shouldn't need reminding. It's a shame that they do. They/We should simply know.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I get the notion, but by this logic we'll one day have a Muslim Day for all the persecution and resentment held by westerners toward he middle-east. Except, we likely wont have a day like this, will we?

Extremely different example, I know, I couldn't think of anything else to use as an example. In any case, yes, we should be aware of our past, but taking one year out to remind everyone that women should be our equals - men shouldn't need reminding. It's a shame that they do. They/We should simply know.

That your example is extremely different and not a good example should in and of itself tell you how unique this situation is.

The most bizarre thing about such a holiday is how certain men make it about themselves. Those that don't need reminding of women being equal either go about their day like usual or get into it a little bit and have some fun. But it isn't moving mountains. Not like it seems it is for those that get really upset and question its existence.

 

[Flash525]

That your example is extremely different and not a good example should in and of itself tell you how unique this situation is.

It's not that bad an example, it's just not the best to relate too. These days are only important if they catch the right audience or have a distinctive meaning; International Women's Day, Black Awareness Day, even Remembrance Day are all significant because it's remembering subjugation and lost heroes, but that's all from a very western perspective.

The West, generally, doesn't care about the middle-east, that's why there's never going to be an event or day in memory of all the crap they're going through out there.

The most bizarre thing about such a holiday is how certain men make it about themselves. Those that don't need reminding of women being equal either go about their day like usual or get into it a little bit and have some fun. But it isn't moving mountains. Not like it seems it is for those that get really upset and question its existence.

What is the obsession with me being upset about this? I can assure everyone that I'm not remotely upset about any of it, I just queried why it's a day of importance and why it's highlighted so much - not because it's sending a bad message - it isn't, but because, as stated above, it shouldn't need to be highlighted. People (men & women) should treat each other as equals anyway.

 

[Mad Ones]

These days exist because everyday reality does not match up with the sentiment of your last sentence, unfortunately.

 

[Finarfiniel]

The "point" of this is.....right now, and for thousands of years, the world has been unequally divided. Humans attack and denigrate those they see as different and thus see as inferior. The strong don't help the weak, but rather take advantage of them. There is race against race....segments of a race against other segments of the same race....people of one sexual basis against people of another sexual basis....and so on. Woman have been treated as second class, or worse, citizens around the world for thousands of years. Taking ONE DAY out of the year to remind people that women deserve to be treated fairly and equally does not seem to be too much to ask of the....**gentlemen**....of the world.

How lovely it must be to exist in some weird parallel universe where things like sexual and racial discrimination no longer exist and are no longer pressing concerns for billions of people all around the world. Concerns that should be addressed and brought out in the open rather than being swept under the carpet with probably well meaning but ultimately empty platitudes like 'people shouldn't need reminding to treat others equally, they should just do it'. I don't disagree with that sentiment and that's all fine and dandy in an ideal world, but since when is this anything close to being an ideal world? Such a statement shows extreme naivety, not necessarily unkindness but definite naivety.

 

[Flash525]

How lovely it must be to exist in some weird parallel universe where things like sexual and racial discrimination no longer exist and are no longer pressing concerns for billions of people all around the world. Concerns that should be addressed and brought out in the open rather than being swept under the carpet with probably well meaning but ultimately empty platitudes like 'people shouldn't need reminding to treat others equally, they should just do it'. I don't disagree with that sentiment and that's all fine and dandy in an ideal world, but since when is this anything close to being an ideal world? Such a statement shows extreme naivety, not necessarily unkindness but definite naivety.

I guess I am guilty of giving humanity more credit than it deserves.

 

[Laderlappen]

What's overly positive about International Men's Day? Compare it to International Women's Day, what exactly are Men having this day for? If Women have their day to remind us all of their hardships, then men are having a day for what reason? To remind us that some of them were ***** in the past?

To raise awareness about issues like suicide, health and domestic violence, and to raise money for charities. It's positive because of the support that comes from women.

 

[Donner]

People (men & women) should treat each other as equals anyway.

Well, they don't. And since women get the short end of that stick, we celebrate our one day a year.

 

[Jh7058622]

Dude seriously crack a book sometime or just look around you. There is inequality around us every day. Trying to retroactively take away someones feeling of such because it "shouldn't be that way" is a noble gesture but extremely misguided to say the least. Acknowledging we still have work to do isn't cowardly it's heroic.