Iron Man Iron Man vs Iron Monger

[Catman]

I'd almost go so far as to say that it sucked.

I wouldn't say it sucked. There was enough good stuff included to save it.

I just didn't like the way Stane climbed right into the suit and knew how to work everything, while Stark is the one who created the prototype and he couldn't even work it properly right away. After that terrorist attack scene, it would've been hard to top it anyhow...

Didn't really think about that. You're on to something.

since it also involves Pepper in the finale.

But isn't the gf always involved in some way.

it was better than the final battle between Cain and Robocop from Robocop 2!!

Robocop 2 isn't that hard to beat.

 

[Doctor of Doom]

I really enjoyed it. It was worse than it could have been, but it was pretty good- and something that can be easily improved upon in Movie 2. My main problem with the fight as a whole was that it definitely could have been longer- preferably a good five minutes longer, though what we got, especially at the start, was great. My only two other problems were that I wish Tony could have been a bit more active in saving his own neck, and that I wish Stane would have just shut up with the cliché villain dialogue. But really, I thought there was a lot of non-action stuff to make this showdown stand out from most other superhero movies:

1- Stane's motive. I liked that he was originally trying to build an army of the suits and only donned this one because he was forced to, as opposed to just getting in it and running around to "get power!!!!" like half these villains seem to do in the movies. Like most villains, he didn't have a plan beyond "Kill the hero!" in the short term, but in his case it's because he had to make an impulsive on the spot decision and was desperate.

2- The Icing problem- always nice to see foreshadowing pay off! The same with Tony needing to use the older chest model.

3- There being an actual reason for Stane having to lower the front of the armour as opposed to just doing it to gloat.

4- The heroine not only *not* being captured by the villain (Which already makes this aspect better than every Spider-Man movie!) but also playing a vital part in saving the day.

That plus the Uni-Beam, the stuff with the car etc, made this a pretty good fight, even if it coulda been longer!

 

[SpideyZERO]

Yeah, the final fight is disappointed compared to Iron Man owning the terrorists. I think it will be better if Tony can fight without the power generator problem. I thought Tony is handicapped because Iron Monger suit is less powerful compared to Mark III but then it turns out Iron Monger is more advanced. Why handicap Tony when his suit is less powerful? Have both at equal strength (Tony has the experience controlling the suit, Obidiah has the better suit), then we will have one epic battle. Also, I will like it better if Iron Man can deliver the final blow instead of some generator explosion

 

[Catman]

1- Stane's motive. I liked that he was originally trying to build an army of the suits and only donned this one because he was forced to, as opposed to just getting in it and running around to "get power!!!!" like half these villains seem to do in the movies. Like most villains, he didn't have a plan beyond "Kill the hero!" in the short term, but in his case it's because he had to make an impulsive on the spot decision and was desperate.

2- The Icing problem- always nice to see foreshadowing pay off! The same with Tony needing to use the older chest model.

3- There being an actual reason for Stane having to lower the front of the armour as opposed to just doing it to gloat.

4- The heroine not only *not* being captured by the villain (Which already makes this aspect better than every Spider-Man movie!) but also playing a vital part in saving the day.

That plus the Uni-Beam, the stuff with the car etc, made this a pretty good fight, even if it coulda been longer!

All those things were great, but the actual fight itself was too typical.

 

[The Caped Knight]

but the actual fight itself was too typical.

How so ? Please explain in full detail what you mean .

 

[Nathan]

I just didn't like the way Stane climbed right into the suit and knew how to work everything, while Stark is the one who created the prototype and he couldn't even work it properly right away. After that terrorist attack scene, it would've been hard to top it anyhow...

Didn't really think about that. You're on to something.

Not really, the Iron Monger suit was nowhere near as complex as Stark's Mark III suit. Afterall, it was based on the Mark I design, just bigger and badder. Stane didn't really do anything extraordinary that Stark didn't do when he first suited up. Stane was mostly running around, smashing or throwing stuff. And when he flew, he flew straight up like a rocket, just like Stark did the first time.

 

[Knightsaber Priss]

How so ? Please explain in full detail what you mean .

Perhaps he means it wasn't filmed in such a way that was reminiscent of he nauseating effect of shaky cam.

Not really, the Iron Monger suit was nowhere near as complex as Stark's Mark III suit. Afterall, it was based on the Mark I design, just bigger and badder. Stane didn't really do anything extraordinary that Stark didn't do when he first suited up. Stane was mostly running around, smashing or throwing stuff. And when he flew, he flew straight up like a rocket, just like Stark did the first time.

Also Stane had been closely monitoring the construction of the Iron Monger suit as well so he new the basics of operating the thing. I guess that's similar to reading the manual for a complex technological piece of equipment before actually using it.

 

[Jick]

No place close. It's $135 million. When you think about all of the amazing stuff achieved in this film, it almost makes you wonder how SM3 went through $260 million like nothing.

I think "Sandman" is the answer for that.
but back on topic

 

[Marvin]

i don't see myself watching that fight for a second time with any excitement

and expecially a third
or on dvd later

unlike a certain film i know..

 

[Spectacular23]

The fight scene rocked hard!! especially the uni-beam part!! and tony getting blown up everywhere but i love how it ended when he fell in to that machine and blew-up. Kinda weird because i didn't see pepper run out and i thought tony was about to die because of the way his magnetic heart thing was flickering on & off

 

[lou2099]

The action was great, with a real sense of weight and brutality. The dialogue was awful, which made it hard to concentrate on the action. I thought the minivan thing was pretty stupid.

Yeah, Iron Man vs. Minvan? Should have been left out. They wasted far too much time shooting that when so much else could have been done with the fight.

 

[The Agent]

I have no qualms with the fight, I thought it was satisfactory.

 

[I Am The Knight]

The critical response to the fight in this thread just goes to show how there's no pleasing some people...

 

[daniPHANTOM]

The critical response to the fight in this thread just goes to show how there's no pleasing some people...

QFMFT

 

[Infinity9999x]

Can anyone clearly define why they hated such an awesome battle? Would they have rather preferred the shaky cam, vomit inducing, confusion Bay is fond of?

I didn't hate the ending fight, but I felt a tad let down by it. Mostly for one reason. Iron Man is supposed to be a hero that relies mostly on his technical ingenuity. I was expected to see a few more cool gadgets in the ending fight then what we got. 90% of it was just punching or throwing each other into things. I would have liked to see them get a little more creative with Iron Man's gadgets, show us a few more of his toys. He didn't use any of the things he did in the desert fight.

 

[Nirvana]

I liked the fight. I thought it was pretty cool.

 

[Octoberist]

The critical response to the fight in this thread just goes to show how there's no pleasing some people...

The fight did its job well.

I liked it because it's very old school. It's not clean. It's very 80s ala Robocop and that's why I like it alot.

and it was long enough where it was both entertaingin and served it purpose..

 

[I Am The Knight]

I didn't hate the ending fight, but I felt a tad let down by it. Mostly for one reason. Iron Man is supposed to be a hero that relies mostly on his technical ingenuity. I was expected to see a few more cool gadgets in the ending fight then what we got. 90% of it was just punching or throwing each other into things. I would have liked to see them get a little more creative with Iron Man's gadgets, show us a few more of his toys. He didn't use any of the things he did in the desert fight.

I'm sure part of that had to with the fact that the armor was "low on batteries" and...

I liked it because it's very old school. It's not clean. It's very 80s ala Robocop and that's why I like it alot.

....I agree with this take.

 

[Armored Avenger]

I really liked the end fight, and thought Iron Monger was amazing! I just wish it was a little longer

 

[Spade]

I think "Sandman" is the answer for that.

If that's the case, then what a waste of cash that was.

 

[Shivsguy616]

Sandman was amazing. You obviously have no idea how difficult particle animation is.

 

[KappeiJin]

Was NOT Spidey Vs Ock on the train, but was really really good, 10000 times better than F4 vs Doom. This fight was broke in 3 sections:
- The first was the close combat with the car and the bus
- The second was the air showdown with the "ice factor" trap
- The third was the classic final showdown where the actors faces are exposed, like every masked sh movie (spidey, daredevil, ecc.)

I think it was LONG and detailed, the second part with the ice factor it's a piece of good writing (a situation that presents herself early in the movie and turns later as a winning factor for the hero, like the ground factor in Batman Begins).

It was very very good, i'm really satisfied.

 

[The_Vision]

I loved it, could have done with a little more action but other than that it was awesome

 

[Spade]

Sandman was amazing.

I respect your opinion, but I found him boring. I'm not alone in this opinion, either. Iron Monger felt like he belonged in Iron Man. Sandman doesn't feel like he belongs in any Marvel movie.

You obviously have no idea how difficult particle animation is.

Don't know, or don't care? Given that I've researched the process, I'd go with the latter. At least, in this case.

 

[AragornKing1]

I really liked the end fight, and thought Iron Monger was amazing! I just wish it was a little longer

I don't know what you guys are talking about. I thought the fight was longer than when he took out the terrorists. In fact, it was. The fight seemed like a good few minutes and was badass.