The Flash Is anyone else kinda of sick of how they portray Barry?

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Barry is a really nice, kind and caring guy and yet we constantly see him taking decisions which endanger literally billions of lives and he never ever learns from them . Hell his decision led directly to Ronnie's death(and I imagine several hundred if not thousands of other people seeing as how the skyscrapers being ripped into the air weren't exactly empty) and yet he never learns. Hell it gets worse. This season he treated both time and dimensional travel almost as a goddamn hobby.

I get how useful time and dimensional travel is as a writing tool but I wish they would find another way to incorporate it because this makes Barry look like a really selfish dick
 
He is nice and kind and caring. He's also impulsive, and acts on his emotions. I'm not sick of how they write him. It makes him human. He can't be perfect.
 
I absolutely agree with this if it was an impulsive situation. A split second decision where he goes with his heart. But his time travel/dimension choices are not split second decision. He has hours to ponder the fact that he is risking billions of lives just to save one person or to get something he needs. And especially after the massive devastation of the wormhole that he opened just to save his mom it really cuts into my respect for him that he didn't learn his lesson and keeps risking billions of innocent lives just because he is stubborn

I get that the writers are doing to raise the stakes but to me it just makes Barry look bad
 
The writing on the show is always two steps forward, three steps back so... Yeah. In season one's early episodes they make a note of Barry being an uber nerd reading theoretical physics and his job is one where he must be methodical to a fault ideally... Can we honestly say he shows these traits in the way they write his actions?
 
Barry is written as a very emotionally driven guy. While we as viewers may not agree with his impulsive actions, it's worth noting that that's how they've built his character up to be. The fact that Barry's impulses are annoying are no different than having a friend who you give advice to, but never listens. Barry, as intelligent as he is, will always do what he feels more than what logically makes sense. I know quite a few people didn't like his decision at the end of last season, but it made a lot of sense to me with how the writers have set up his character arc.

Now I'm not saying the writing couldn't be better. There are definitely things they could do to make Barry more of a credible guy, but I guess it doesn't bother me as much because I've accepted the kind of character they've made him to be.
 
I dont mind him at all in fact hes grown as a leader of sorts but I do agree he makes way too many dumb decisions without thinking. If they cleaned that part up he would be perfect. I know its a tv show and they need drama to keep the audience engaged but it comes at the expense of barrys intelligence.
 
Barry is written as a very emotionally driven guy. While we as viewers may not agree with his impulsive actions, it's worth noting that that's how they've built his character up to be. The fact that Barry's impulses are annoying are no different than having a friend who you give advice to, but never listens. Barry, as intelligent as he is, will always do what he feels more than what logically makes sense. I know quite a few people didn't like his decision at the end of last season, but it made a lot of sense to me with how the writers have set up his character arc.

Now I'm not saying the writing couldn't be better. There are definitely things they could do to make Barry more of a credible guy, but I guess it doesn't bother me as much because I've accepted the kind of character they've made him to be.

I very much agree with this.

I know many, many very intelligent people in science and tech fields who constantly make the same mistakes. How we're wired to deal with emotional stresses in our lives is not the same methodology you use while working professionally.

I think Barry's written quite consistently. Barry's flaws aren't necessarily flaws with the story.
 
Look... There's flaws and then there's never moving the character forward (making the first season finale about Barry sacrificing saving his mother, then having a whole episode about coming to terms with that only to reverse that for the second season finale) or hobbling an aspect that early episodes take pains to point out, like Barry's scientific acumen by having the "fastest man alive" have to radio back to HQ for advice or calculations constantly. There's just terrible plot contrivances like having Barry have nightmares about a meta-human villain whose powers negate his own killing his girlfriend only to have Barry think that it's ok to bring his girlfriend to a stakeout for a super villain whose powers negate his own in that same episode (which a roomful of other people whom we are supposed to think of as smart also saw no problem with). There's Barry's constant forgetting of abilities he has like throwing lightning, or inconsistencies galore with how his powers work. The show has had these issues since season one but my hope was that season two would iron them out. I was wrong.
 
The end of the second season sums up the problems with the writers in how they're handling Barry because this was character regression.
 
The writing on the show is sloppy, or maybe it's deliberate in order to create story. But yeah, Barry's character in the show is really a huge issue for me. The Flash is my favourite comicbook character and I find myself not loving the show.
 
Barry is a really nice, kind and caring guy and yet we constantly see him taking decisions which endanger literally billions of lives and he never ever learns from them . Hell his decision led directly to Ronnie's death(and I imagine several hundred if not thousands of other people seeing as how the skyscrapers being ripped into the air weren't exactly empty) and yet he never learns. Hell it gets worse. This season he treated both time and dimensional travel almost as a goddamn hobby.

I get how useful time and dimensional travel is as a writing tool but I wish they would find another way to incorporate it because this makes Barry look like a really selfish dick

I think the writers are portraying Barry just fine. I like his character he's fine the way he is.
 
They created their own version of Barry for the show. He has not very much in common with the actual comic Barry Allen, at least had, I think they start to change him in the comics to be more like the show Barry now which is really a pity.

The show Barry is a very nice guy, and I like him showing emotions, although that hardly fits with whom he is supposed to portray as comic Barry was always a very serious, secure and independent person. They pretty much took all of that away and replaced it with doofy, extremely insecure and thus very much dependent on his peers. This Barry Allen is a joke compared to the actual Barry Allen, not only when it comes to his powers but how he is very much lacking as a hero (or just as someone who is able to think thing through before doing them) but I think it is obvious that the writers intended to make him more interesting for a main audience. Why they had to give up on about anything that made Barry Allen Barry Allen I really don't understand as the only thing he has in common with his comic part are the name and that his mom was killed by RF, but the show is popular, so it certainly worked.
 
I don't know, I might be quite mistaken here (no I'm not, it's really me being sarcastically coy), but wasn't it an established Barry Allen that went back in time and caused the Flashpoint paradox in the comics? Huh, maybe it was Wally West and I'm way off.
 
I actually love Barry. He's probably my favorite character, personality-wise, in the Flarrowverse (tied with S1/S2 Oliver Queen, maybe). He really shows his loving, compassionate side all the time. And Grant Gustin always kills it in those scenes when he gets really emotional. The only thing I don't like about Barry is his decision in the S2 finale to go back and save his mom (it made sense in S1, but not now). I get that he was despairing over the death of his dad, though so there's that. But overall, I don't have a problem with how he's written, no.
 
I don't know, I might be quite mistaken here (no I'm not, it's really me being sarcastically coy), but wasn't it an established Barry Allen that went back in time and caused the Flashpoint paradox in the comics? Huh, maybe it was Wally West and I'm way off.

He did, but read the actual comic (if you haven't). Comic Barry did the same thing but he was still a very different character. It's especially his powers and ability to act on his own (with the assistent of Tom but we can't have any comic with a little Wayne in it, can we? ;). Tbh, the whole flashpoint thing in itself was very out of characterfor Barry and it was explained that he did it because he was emotionally manipulated by Mirror Master and due to what happened during Rebirth with Eo ****ing his life up. The show took the last part and made their own version of it and they settled on portraying Barry as if his emotionally compromised state was his ordinary character.

Barry in the comics is a also very passionate person like showBarry but just like a much more confident and competent version of him... well, let's say he was because after reading last issue of the Flash it became apparent that dc comics like this all angst and self doubtful version of him better now. ;)
 
I think Arrow had the same problem in Season 2 for the same reason, with Ollie ping-ponging all over the place. The issue is that they don't want to let the show grow, and thus they can't let the character grow. It's less about 'what can we do to challenge Barry to grow on a personal level' than 'How can we make it so that Barry is struggling with the challenges we want.' Instead of exploring this huge universe in the comics they touch on it to try and bring us back into what they want: to re-do Season 1 of Flash.

The character in the Season 1 finale had grown enough to let his mother die in order to preserve the timeline. Somehow, after dealing with Earth 2, which gave him the same challenges in terms of a speedster trying to steal his speed, traitorous mentors, his mother's death, the melancholy of Harrison Wells and led him to be less mature and forget a lesson he's learned the hard way twice already.

All this for Flashpoint... except, it's not about Flashpoint. Flashpoint is about turning everything we've seen through the whole of the comics history upside down. But we just saw that on Earth 2, which serves the same purpose, but there's not really much of Earth 1, at least Flash's corner, to go off of to make Earth 2 worth exploring more than two episodes. Beyond that it was just fodder for Harry's storyline, which, mindbogglingly, was more important than developing Barry, to say nothing of new characters to expand the universe.

And so that's why I feel kinda betrayed, not just that they have turned Barry into a plot device, and not just that they aren't interested in the Flash mythos beyond using them to draw eyes to their favorite actors. I mean, if you have the cast of Prison Break and Spartacus and frikkin Mark Hammil lined up to play one of the top three rogues galleries in the history of comics, you do not, full stop, DO NOT sideline and bus them off to spinoffs in favor of an original character masquerading as a comics foe. And they set it up, with Cold being compelling as someone who can get in Barry's head, but they didn't really want to pay off Barry's archnemesis. Go fig.

And I think it's kind of unavoidable that Barry can't grow. If Barry grows then he gets better and you actually have to challenge him. Flash is already silly enough with things that bother Barry that shouldn't. The first episodes did okay, giving him challenges for his CSI mind, and physical obstacles like tornadoes and one man armies and gas that even a speedster can't just outrun. At some point though, they stopped thinking through these things and it became about Harrison Wells' development, and if Barry got clocked by a normal person, it was somehow 'okay', and I'm not sure that ever stopped. Because a Barry that grows no longer needs Harrison, Harry or any Earth 3 permutation that Flashpoint will assuredly set up. He outgrows even Joe after a certain point, not that they aren't still relevant, but they can't resume the roles in his life they did in Season 1, because Barry doesn't need that anymore. A Barry who is a fully functional CSI, who can be anywhere in the city in a moment, who can search the entire city in a matter of hours, and don't even get started on AugCog or anything like that, fageddaboutit.

So they have to keep Barry from growing, or else the show will change, and not just for a Flashpoint episode, but they'll have to leave things from S1 behind, and not based on how much they like the actors. Same thing happened to Arrow, and honestly the same thing on Heroes. They held characters whose storylines had ended and so their central characters never developed because they wanted the supporting cast to be the same forever, becaue they liked the actors. It was Season 4 before Heroes, or Arrow realized how badly they f'ed up and it was too late to salvage. It looks like Flash is headed the same direction. Expect to see yet another season where Barry learns to let go of his mother's death, for the third year in a row, where Tom Cavanaugh plays the gruff pseudo-mentor and Barry continues to not be with Iris, Joe continues to cameo with occasional and increasingly vague wisdom, Cisco is a funny wizard, Caitlin is a walldressing and the big bad hangs out at STAR Labs. Expect to see lots of one-episode easter eggs or one-episode flips on this concept, but in the end, this show cannot grow. It's too into itself.

I can't believe at one time I wanted to see this Flash in the movies.
 
^Excellent post, and probably sadly prescient. Season 2 was a major step down over season 1, and I'm not expecting season 3 to be any better.

I accepted stupid Barry for a long time but couldn't stomach the finale where he undid his mom's death, causing untold amounts of trauma to those living in what was his present. I'm really just over this guy.
 
It's going to be difficult watching the premier and wondering when Barry is going to - again- throw everyone under the bus just for his own wants. He did twice already, the last being the 2nd season finale. The first being the 1st season finale.

I understand he wanted his mother back, but if I was told that trying to save her could possibly cause a planet-ripping black hole that would destroy all life on Earth, I would stop.

To keep going is actually more the super-villain trope than the hero. The hero is supposed to stop people like this, who put their wants and desires above the lives and welfare of others. And certainly, if I was on Team Flash, I would have tried to throw a wrench into the machine to stop it.

I don't blame Barry though. He's just the character. The writers are to blame here, and I think there should be some fourth-wall-breaking episode where Barry and Team Flash go after the writers!
 
I understand he wanted his mother back, but if I was told that trying to save her could possibly cause a planet-ripping black hole that would destroy all life on Earth, I would stop.

To keep going is actually more the super-villain trope than the hero. The hero is supposed to stop people like this, who put their wants and desires above the lives and welfare of others. And certainly, if I was on Team Flash, I would have tried to throw a wrench into the machine to stop it.

I don't blame Barry though. He's just the character. The writers are to blame here, and I think there should be some fourth-wall-breaking episode where Barry and Team Flash go after the writers!
Good post. Also the previous one that talks about how the writers really just want to go back to the S1 "box" and not let Barry grow out of it.

I think the biggest thing that really upset me about Barry's undoing of his mother's death was how much it also spit on his father's stated wishes. Back at the end of S1, of course, Barry talked to Henry about this. And Henry flat out told him, No, don't do this, because it could put you at risk. Change you into someone you're not, and you are amazing just how you are, Flash or not. Henry was at peace with Nora's death and he was all but begging Barry to put himself at peace with it as well. The little bit in there about how he wished someday Barry would become a father himself, and then he would know just how much Henry loved him .. that was a beautiful moment, which hit all the harder for me since I was a new father then myself. And then Barry faced that moment - and let it be. In no small part, I chose to believe, due to Henry's heart-felt speech.

And S2 Barry just spat on all of that. Because. Waah, my daddy died too. Grow up, Barry.

One thing I did quite like about the Flashpoint animated adaptation was how Reverse-Flash called Flash out for his time-travel selfishness. "Did you go back in time to save Kennedy? Stop Hitler from coming to power? No; you saved your mommy!" When put in such stark terms... it really does make one dislike the Flash a fair bit.

Anyway. I don't have particularly high hopes for S3.
 
Good post. Also the previous one that talks about how the writers really just want to go back to the S1 "box" and not let Barry grow out of it.

I think the biggest thing that really upset me about Barry's undoing of his mother's death was how much it also spit on his father's stated wishes. Back at the end of S1, of course, Barry talked to Henry about this. And Henry flat out told him, No, don't do this, because it could put you at risk. Change you into someone you're not, and you are amazing just how you are, Flash or not. Henry was at peace with Nora's death and he was all but begging Barry to put himself at peace with it as well. The little bit in there about how he wished someday Barry would become a father himself, and then he would know just how much Henry loved him .. that was a beautiful moment, which hit all the harder for me since I was a new father then myself. And then Barry faced that moment - and let it be. In no small part, I chose to believe, due to Henry's heart-felt speech.

And S2 Barry just spat on all of that. Because. Waah, my daddy died too. Grow up, Barry.

One thing I did quite like about the Flashpoint animated adaptation was how Reverse-Flash called Flash out for his time-travel selfishness. "Did you go back in time to save Kennedy? Stop Hitler from coming to power? No; you saved your mommy!" When put in such stark terms... it really does make one dislike the Flash a fair bit.

Anyway. I don't have particularly high hopes for S3.

It honestly doesn't bother me that he went back to save his mom, it's stupid sure, but considering how he was pushed to that point I saw it coming from a mile away. (Like Henry's death... they were sooo subtle leading up to it *snort*)

What really annoys the hell out of me is that Barry hasn't earned such a lapse of judgement on the show, he isn't a made hero like in the comics. In all actuality, he is very bad at being a hero, self-conscious to a ridiculous degree and needs his 'teams' assistance at any step he makes. I rewatched most of the second season by now and Barry is portrayed as outrageously dumb at times. They try to make him into a lovable doofus but they really only end up turning him more and more into an idiot who is too stupid for his own good or the good of people around him.

I highly doubt that this will improve in s3 and I really hope Barry is soon replaced by Wally as the main character because it makes me cringe how they realized the Barry Allen Flash from the comics on the show.
 
^It would be physically impossible for anyone to earn the right to change history that much considering all the lives that would be damaged or even ended by the act.

If Barry really wanted to save a parent he should've gone back in time just enough to save his dad.
 
The writing has been crap all season 2. They literally changed Barry's entire character develop through a 180 in the last 2-3 episodes. They had an entire episode with him in the speed force, supposedly helping him come to terms of accepting his mother's death and forgiving himself, and you'd think that would be the end of it. Then he forgets all about it literally 2 (or was it 1) episodes later in the finale. If this wasn't DC and Iris and Caitlin weren't hot, I'd be done with this show.
 
He can be a bit whiney/selfish sometimes but not too big of a worry for me, I wonder how Ezra Miller will do
 

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