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Is it acceptable to support a politician because they are of your background?

regwec

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I refer to race, gender and class.

Here in old Albion, there is a young and charismatic politician named Chuka Umunna. He is black. I hear a lot of black people say that they would vote for him because he is black. This makes me feel uneasy.
 
Speaking as a Texan, this is an easy "no." When Rick Perry and Ted Cruz make their inevitable run for the White House, they will not have my support. I do not care what state they hail from.
 
It's a terrible reason, but the Bell Curve will make that decision 9 times out of 10.
 
It's why Obama got elected. About 95 % or so of the people that voted for Obama. Will most likely never vote again
 
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As long as they're human. Otherwise they'll need to convince me.

At the end of the day it should be down to their policies. Not colour of their skin or even which party they belong to. Certainly no who spends the most on the campaign trail.

I like the French presidential election. Each candidate gets exactly the same abount of advertising on tv and in news papers.They are only allowed to talk about their policies and cannot mention each other.

Here in Britain it isn't that bad. It costs £10k to run as an MP. So we do get quite a few interesting candidates. Parliament is dominated by the 2 main parties (Labour and Conservative) but there are plenty of others.

Conservative 303
Labour 257
Liberal Democrat 56
Democratic Unionist 8
Scottish National 6
Sinn Fein 5
Independent 3
Plaid Cymru 3
Social Democratic & Labour Party 3
Alliance 1
Green 1
Respect 1
Speaker 1
UK Independence Party 1
Vacant 1
 
It's why Obama got elected. About 95 % or so of the people that voted for Obama. Will most likely never vote again

Nah, Al Gore almost got the same percentage of the black vote as Obama did.
 
What do you mean by that?

I'll catch flak for sounding like a fascist superiority-complex ***hole for my reductive views on this, but screw it. My reference to the Bell Curve is just average laymen. The people who religiously watch summer blockbusters, listen to whatever it is pop radio is playing and consume mass media and go on ideological vendettas against gluten without informing themselves. Statistics don't lie though, and I'm mainly using consumerist data to justify this but it's clear there is a large majority of people who put very little thought into what they believe and support and consume.

That Bell Curve tends to like putting people in power who resemble them on a superficial level. Which is what ties into what I think regwec was referring to, because I'll assume that when he refers to people voting for others based on religion/race/ethnicity/etc those people are voting for those characteristics because they share them with the candidate. Long diatribe, my bad.
 
Allen West is black and there's no way he gets 95% of the black vote.

Black people like Obama's rhetoric. Same reason black people love Clinton. Obama being the first black president is the cherry on top.
 
Absolutely not. A candidate's ideology (and how you perceive he/she will carry out said ideology) is the only acceptable reason to back someone for office. Physical characteristics of any kind are irrelevant.
 
Nah, Al Gore almost got the same percentage of the black vote as Obama did.

I just looked back at recent elections up to 1976, seems like the best Candidate after Obama was Mondale with 91% of the African American vote.

Seems like Clinton and Carter had the worst percentages with 83%(although both times there was a 3rd candidate eating up some of the vote Perot with 7% in 92 being the most)
 
I think it's a rather shallow reason, but that is how many people vote.

That or height.
 
It's why Obama got elected. About 95 % or so of the people that voted for Obama. Will most likely never vote again

What a ridiculous assertion. Can you back that statement up with actual facts?
 
Obama did seem to inspire a lot of young people to vote, and (from my pool of knowledge) convinced a few people who don't otherwise vote to do so, so it's not that far off a statement. I personally got the same phony vibe off him that I get from every politician I know of, so it didn't sway me from my stance, but his campaign did seem to get a lot more people politically active than others may have.
 
95% is a far-off statement. I hate when people pull imaginary statistics out of their ass. Kind of a pet-peeve.
 
Another example of the phenomena from Britain, which is less blatant than race, is to be found in a comparison of the perceptions of Prime Minister David Cameron and Nigel Farage, the leader of the United Kingdom Independence Party ("UKIP").

They are both conservatives of a type. Both support lower public spending and lower taxation. Both are sceptical of the European Union (though Farage is an outright opponent of it), and both want more control over immigration into the country. Both are from similar backgrounds, having been privately educated and having worked for private enterprise before entering politics.

A crucial difference, however, is to be seen in their presentation of themselves, and in the way that potential voters react to it. Cameron does nothing to hide his aristocratic vowels, his aristocratic wife, his European holidays or his socially liberal views (his government introduced gay marriage). Farage, however, has affected a somewhat mongrelised estuary-English diction. His German wife never appears in public. He wears a rustic-looking tweed suit instead of the usual dark grey, and he is careful to be regularly pictured with a pint of beer.

The result appears to be that a considerable minority view Cameron as a detached, elitist, metropolitan "toff"; while seeing Farage as an ordinary, down-to-earth, trustworthy kind of "bloke". The importance seems to be the difference in seeing either as "one of us" or "one of them". Differences in policy or in perceptions of administrative competence are generally ignored.

I find this very striking, particularly because it demonstrates that voters can be duped into supporting candidates on the basis of shared background, even where there is none.
 
I refer to race, gender and class.

Here in old Albion, there is a young and charismatic politician named Chuka Umunna. He is black. I hear a lot of black people say that they would vote for him because he is black. This makes me feel uneasy.

It's neither here nor there because you know that in Britain we don't directly elect our Prime Ministers. Only the people of Streatham have any say as to whether Chuka Umunna is elected at any given election. So I don't see that it should make you uneasy at all.

As much as someone might make a throwaway comment about voting for someone because of their race, gender, or class I have trouble believe that's what motivates them to get up on polling day to go to vote for them. Might it pique their interest and have them listen where they might otherwise have chosen not to? Of course. But by the time polling day rolls around, I think the reasons that people get out of bed to vote are more sound.

It's why Obama got elected. About 95 % or so of the people that voted for Obama. Will most likely never vote again

You should be embarrassed to make such a paternalistic assertion without a shred of evidence. Were there people that voted for Obama because he was black? Without a doubt. But there was a reason he was able to reach people that Republicans could never have reached in both 2008 and 2012 that went past the colour of his skin.

When the young, black, latino, and women come out to vote for Hilary in 2016 we'll be hearing the exact same thing about 95% of the people that vote for her doing so because she's a woman. What they'll neglect to realise is that the Democrats have built and continue to build an electoral coalition for future presidential elections that is growing.
 
It's neither here nor there because you know that in Britain we don't directly elect our Prime Ministers. Only the people of Streatham have any say as to whether Chuka Umunna is elected at any given election. So I don't see that it should make you uneasy at all.

:doh: It's the principle that makes me uneasy!

I have no particular concerns about Umunna becoming prime minister, any more than other members of the current Shadow Cabinet.
 
:doh: It's the principle that makes me uneasy!

I have no particular concerns about Umunna becoming prime minister, any more than other members of the current Shadow Cabinet.

I was simply making it clear for those who might not be aware.

As I said in my second paragraph, I don't think as many people vote for candidates because they have a "shared background" with them as people tend to make out. If that were the case British politics wouldn't have been dominated by Old Etonians and Oxford graduates. It opens doors for politicians if they can demonstrate they haven't walked the beaten path of researcher to Member of Parliament without a job outside of politics. It's legitimate grievances that keep them there once they're in.

I understand the theoretical problem that race, gender, and class-based voting poses but given that it is almost entirely theoretical I don't see much cause for concern.
 
Obama brought out voters, but let's not go nuts.

15 million people voted for the first time, in 2008 which sounds incredible, but it's really not. Keep in mind that of that 15 million, 5 million voted for McCain.

So, 10 million still seems like a lot. But of that 10 million most were youth voters, many who voted for the first time because it was the first time they could vote in a presidential election. 16 million young Americans got the right to vote between 2008 and 2012, and the number for 2008 probably isn't very different.

And young voters typically vote Democrat.

Voter turn out should increase every election, since every year America's population is increasing.
 
Not really a good reason. :/ It would probably influence your decision regardless though.
 
It's prejuduced of individuals to vote for someone because they are the same backbround as them but people do it .
 

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