is it possible that clint goes back to being hawkeye?

[Kitsune]

I believe it's a film festival. Or a kid. One of the two. Or both?

Something to do with Gay Cowboys and Pudding I think.

 

[Brainiac 8]

Something to do with Gay Cowboys and Pudding I think.

haha

"Oh my god, I found a penny!"

"You bastard!"

t:

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

No, I brought up OMD as an example of how modern comics are just as ridiculous as older comics. Certainly more ridiculous than a guy being able to ricochet arrows.

Thank you.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Anyone know what issues those events are from?

Yes:

Hawkeye vs Iron Man - Tales Of Suspense #57, Defenders vol. I #9
Avengers (Hawkeye) vs The Collector - Avengers vol. I #174
Hawkeye vs She-Hulk - Avengers West Coast Annual #2
Ant-Man vs The Avengers - Avengers vol. I #161

Another GREAT Hawkeye fight is Hawkeye vs Deathbird from Avengers vol.I #189.

These are all EXCELLENT issues, (despite weak naysaying from the un-informed), and quite easily equal (if not surpass) anything Marvel is doing THESE days.

 

[random_havoc]

No, I brought up OMD as an example of how modern comics are just as ridiculous as older comics. Certainly more ridiculous than a guy being able to ricochet arrows.

STILL a TERRIBLE example. OMD should obviously have been banned from comics (and existence altogether). Don't give an example of absolute $&*$ in comics and then try to use that as justification as to why something else entirely ******ed should be allowed in comics.

How about, instead, we hope that ALL things that are crap like that be gotten rid of altogether (or at least put into the "marvel adventures" books where things with that kind of maturity level - or immaturity level- belong).

If I want to see things as ridiculous as arrows ricocheting I can go watch roadrunner and save $3-$4.

Having a guy run around with a bow and arrows on the avengers is about as dignified as if they had Boomerang on the team. Ridiculous.

 

[cerealkiller182]

STILL a TERRIBLE example. OMD should obviously have been banned from comics (and existence altogether). Don't give an example of absolute $&*$ in comics and then try to use that as justification as to why something else entirely ******ed should be allowed in comics.

How about, instead, we hope that ALL things that are crap like that be gotten rid of altogether (or at least put into the "marvel adventures" books where things with that kind of maturity level - or immaturity level- belong).

If I want to see things as ridiculous as arrows ricocheting I can go watch roadrunner and save $3-$4.

Having a guy run around with a bow and arrows on the avengers is about as dignified as if they had Boomerang on the team. Ridiculous.

Sorry that not everything can be The Dark Knight. If you want SUCH MATURE reading maybe you should read Shakespeare or something. I mean jesus, there still comic books. I dotn expect birds to fly around characters heads when anvils fall on their heads but a little overthetop action and cheesy powers never hurt anybody (except you apparently)

 

[random_havoc]

Sorry that not everything can be The Dark Knight. If you want SUCH MATURE reading maybe you should read Shakespeare or something. I mean jesus, there still comic books. I dotn expect birds to fly around characters heads when anvils fall on their heads but a little overthetop action and cheesy powers never hurt anybody (except you apparently)

Wow, so for you the only possibilities are either shakespeare or ricocheting arrows (and other looney tunes level action). That's great.

I prefer to imagine an impossible kind of world where fiction stays consistent with its own internal rules. That means that superheroes can do amazing things because, within the fictional world there is a reason for it. However, a world wherein a person supposedly without super powers breaks basic rules of nature is not internally consistent. Think it through.

 

[The Batman]

actually, i love ricoshot arrows...**** like that is why old school marvel is freaking awesome....

 

[The Batman]

I hope he becomes Hawkeye again soon. The Ronin character is just boring.

Also, bow & arrow characters are awesome random havok....Hawkeye and Green Arrow are two of the better characters of each respective company.

Exactly...they're alot more interesting than the more powerful characters

 

[random_havoc]

Exactly...they're alot more interesting than the more powerful characters

But that has nothing to do with their silly arrow abilities. It's their attitudes/personalities. You could do the same thing with, say, a punisher-like character. Only they wouldn't be using a weapon that silly and outdated.

 

[cerealkiller182]

Wow, so for you the only possibilities are either shakespeare or ricocheting arrows (and other looney tunes level action). That's great.

Oh come on, obviously an exaggeration.

I prefer to imagine an impossible kind of world where fiction stays consistent with its own internal rules. That means that superheroes can do amazing things because, within the fictional world there is a reason for it. However, a world wherein a person supposedly without super powers breaks basic rules of nature is not internally consistent. Think it through.

Im sure if you dig there will be an explanation. Look at the issue where he plays Cap for a day talking about physics and how you can control the trajectory of things. But lets just think about EVERY moment in fiction where something happens that is as possible as ricocheting arrows. Watch any random episode of mythbusters and Im sure you'll notice how many are fake. If your being shot at, car doors are not a good shield. The bullet will rip through and hit you anyway. Shooting a gas tank wont make the car explode either.

I always have fun with this site that includes a number of movie physics that are just plain silly.
http://intuitor.com/moviephysics/

Basically what Im trying to say is let it go man.

 

[The Batman]

But that has nothing to do with their silly arrow abilities. It's their attitudes/personalities. You could do the same thing with, say, a punisher-like character. Only they wouldn't be using a weapon that silly and outdated.

Trick arrows add plenty to a character....punisher's one note, imo....guns? read a batman or daredevil comic...everyone has guns...punishers still interesting, but not because he has guns

 

[random_havoc]

Oh come on, obviously an exaggeration.



Im sure if you dig there will be an explanation. Look at the issue where he plays Cap for a day talking about physics and how you can control the trajectory of things. But lets just think about EVERY moment in fiction where something happens that is as possible as ricocheting arrows. Watch any random episode of mythbusters and Im sure you'll notice how many are fake. If your being shot at, car doors are not a good shield. The bullet will rip through and hit you anyway. Shooting a gas tank wont make the car explode either.

I always have fun with this site that includes a number of movie physics that are just plain silly.
http://intuitor.com/moviephysics/

Basically what Im trying to say is let it go man.

Okay, here's my point (I'm not complaining for complaining's sake). Take, for example, the action in a movie like, Batman Begins or some such. And compare it to the action in movies like Lethal Weapon (whichever one).

You're right, doors don't block bullets, cars don't explode when you shoot the tank. The answer isn't to just ignore reality, but to make a really good action scene by applying those realities to the action scenes. Can you honestly say that, in a modern day action movie, if they had a car roll over once and then suddenly explode in flames, you WOULDN'T think it was ridiculous and stupid? Sure, they got away with it 20 years ago, but you gotta do better these days. Or, at least you should if you're worth anything.

 

[random_havoc]

Trick arrows add plenty to a character....punisher's one note, imo....guns? read a batman or daredevil comic...everyone has guns...punishers still interesting, but not because he has guns

Exactly my point! It's the character, not the weapon. So pick one that's not silly (or at least is used in a way that it's ridiculous).

 

[The Batman]

Exactly my point! It's the character, not the weapon. So pick one that's not silly (or at least is used in a way that it's ridiculous).

but...its a comic....as you say, its the character, so ultimately, what does it matter...in a comic book?//

 

[cerealkiller182]

Okay, here's my point (I'm not complaining for complaining's sake). Take, for example, the action in a movie like, Batman Begins or some such. And compare it to the action in movies like Lethal Weapon (whichever one).

You're right, doors don't block bullets, cars don't explode when you shoot the tank. The answer isn't to just ignore reality, but to make a really good action scene by applying those realities to the action scenes. Can you honestly say that, in a modern day action movie, if they had a car roll over once and then suddenly explode in flames, you WOULDN'T think it was ridiculous and stupid? Sure, they got away with it 20 years ago, but you gotta do better these days. Or, at least you should if you're worth anything.

I dont believe that. It depends on the movie. An unapologetic fun action movie shouldnt have to play the game of believability. Shoot Em Up and Crank have tons of fans. Statham is still making Transporter movies. Its not groundbreaking but its fun as hell. And really that all it has to be. Deviations from reality shouldnt be so condemned especially in a world like comics.

You all say that they set up their own rules for their unbelieveable acts. Hawkeye is the best archer, as is Green Arrow in DC. So basically if anyone could do it, its them. Despite not seeing the actual "ricochet arrow" in awhile the 2 have still been formidible with the bow and arrow.

 

[Anubis]

F**k reality.

 

[Sloth7d]

Are we really discussing the physics of comics? Come on now. A guy who bench presses 20 tons can punch a normal human without splattering their brains all over the place.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, there are so many ridiculous things in comics that ricocheting arrows seems an odd place to draw the line and say, "Nope, that's just too wonky for me." Reality sucks. That's why comics exist in the first place.

 

[random_havoc]

F**k reality.

lol

Okay, I must admit that I have no rebuttal to that.

 

[random_havoc]

Wow, I admit defeat for the first time in my life and there's not a single person gloating. On these boards, I find that surprising

 

[Anubis]

Suck It Hockey Puck!!

How was that?

 

[The Question]

The argument for realism in comics, and one that I find to be fairly convincing, is that comic books come up with a lot of things that do not, or are not known to, exist in the real world, and thus have the right to explain how they work in any way they like. As far as we know, there isn't a planet Krypton out there. As such, the writers have free reign to explain how the biology of their inhabitants works any way they like. But comics also contain things that do exist in the real world, like arrows, and I can understand how blatantly ignoring how things that actually do exist work can take someone out of the story.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

And for those people, there are Punisher comics.

 

[Franklin Richards]

I prefer the Fantastic. You know. Ultimate Nullifiers and Microverses.