Is MAX always out of 616 continuity?

[Anubis]

And yet it is, because in civil war his exploits were mentioned. Like that taking down of that white slavery ring. Ennis just writes a bad Nick Fury. Take that Devil's advocate.

 

[gildea]

And yet it is, because in civil war his exploits were mentioned. Like that taking down of that white slavery ring. Ennis just writes a bad Nick Fury. Take that Devil's advocate.

Where was it mentioned in civil war? (genuine question I didn't notice this).

Also the lines editor Axel Alonso said it isn't, that there is "no crossover" between the universe's:

"NRAMA: In a handful of MAX projects, and obviously, in the Punisher ongoing, we've seen characters that either aren't "themselves" or are clearly out of continuity. Is there absolutely no crossover between the respective lines?

AA: The Frank Castle in Punisher is every bit as “real” as the Frank Castle in Punisher War Journal. It just looks at him through a different lens. Ditto for Hellstorm or Cage.

As for crossovers, Spandex has got no place in Punisher MAX. The moment you show Spider-Man swing through the background, you’ve ripped readers out of the reality of that story."

Given that the question states that punisher max is out of 616 and the series editor reiterates that the universes don't cross over it seems pretty out of continuity to me.


And ennis writes a great nick fury, he just hasn't written 616 fury :P

 

[Anubis]

Damnit, now I gotta go digging through comics to prove you wrong. You dick. This may take awhile.

 

[gildea]

Also heres and interview with matt fraction saying punisher max takes place in the real world. (1/4 of the way down http://www.thepunisher.com/past_news/june_2006/june_2006.html)

 

[Anubis]

Still doesn't exscuse what was said in that issue during Civil war.

 

[gildea]

Still doesn't exscuse what was said in that issue during Civil war.

doesn't prove that what frank referenced was happened in max or some other thing that happened in 616 that hasn't being shown.

So far we've had the editor agree it's not in continuity and the other series writer explicitly state it's not in continuity

 

[Anubis]

You mean the editors that don't know wtf is going on at any given moment with the comics? It's in print, then it's fact. Unless retconned away at a later date by some *****e bag.

 

[gildea]

matt fraction ain't bad on continuity and he said it was set in the "real world"

 

[Anubis]

He ain't bad, but not perfect.

 

[gildea]

And it took me a while here's an interview with ennis himself saying it's not in continuity and that fury in it was the fury from his max mini.


http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8656




Take that egyptian god of death....

 

[Joker]

Ennis has said that Punisher MAX is out of continuity, as has Fraction, and I believe Quesada in the past. Marvel Knights Punisher does double duty, being in continuity for both the 616 Punisher and MAX Punisher.

I also think the MAX Cage arc was in continuity, as Luke acted pretty god damn similar in that book to how he did in Alias, which is certainly in continuity.

 

[kainedamo]

doesn't prove that what frank referenced was happened in max or some other thing that happened in 616 that hasn't being shown.

So far we've had the editor agree it's not in continuity and the other series writer explicitly state it's not in continuity

As far as I've seen from the interview you quoted, you're taking his words horribly out of context.

All he said was, in the Max line you can't have Spidey swinging in the background.

He even said its the same Punisher, just through a different lens.

 

[kainedamo]

The discussion is all a bit moot anyway. Its a matter of perspective.

Garth Ennis' Punisher, to me, is the real Frank Castle. And the guy walking around calling himself Frank Castle in the Punisher: War Journal series is absolutely nothing like what I consider the real Frank Castle.

 

[gildea]

As far as I've seen from the interview you quoted, you're taking his words horribly out of context.

All he said was, in the Max line you can't have Spidey swinging in the background.

He even said its the same Punisher, just through a different lens.

I don't think so. It was part of a discussion the question was clearly asked stating the characters were out of continuity and that there was no chance of cross over between lines (I did mess up my quote though). And he didn't say it was the same character he said they were both every bit as "real", important distinction when dealing with fiction.

Paraphrasing
Q. The characters are out of continuity, there's no chance of a crossover between lines?
A. There will be no crossovers, spandex has no place.

It's a very strong implicit agreement which would have been corrected otherwise.

Having said that there is nothing to stop a future writer bringing it into continuity.

 

[Tron Bonne]

The discussion is all a bit moot anyway. Its a matter of perspective.

Garth Ennis' Punisher, to me, is the real Frank Castle. And the guy walking around calling himself Frank Castle in the Punisher: War Journal series is absolutely nothing like what I consider the real Frank Castle.

I've not read any of either series, but does Punisher really act that much differently in each series that he seems to be seperate entities?

 

[gildea]

I've not read any of either series, but does Punisher really act that much differently in each series that he seems to be seperate entities?

Well i've not read the fraction series but the max punisher could easily be brought into continuity as he's not too diffeent from how he had appeared in 616 under garth.

 

[Joker]

I've not read any of either series, but does Punisher really act that much differently in each series that he seems to be seperate entities?

Yes. Yes they are. Ennis' Punisher kills any criminal (except petty crime, like hookers, etc.) in straightforward, often brutal ways. He works alone, having killed the only man he ever trusted as a partner. He has no friends, he makes no jokes. He is punishment and death embodied in a single man.

Fractions Punisher hangs out with a wacky zany new Microchip, who is also a former criminal mastermind, jokes with him constantly, doesn't really kill all that many people, usually opting to let them live for some half baked reason, and there was one other thing. God what was that...It was something important. Oh yeah! Fractions Punisher strangled an innocent woman to death with his bare hands.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Yes. Yes they are. Ennis' Punisher kills any criminal (except petty crime, like hookers, etc.) in straightforward, often brutal ways. He works alone, having killed the only man he ever trusted as a partner. He has no friends, he makes no jokes. He is punishment and death embodied in a single man.

Fractions Punisher hangs out with a wacky zany new Microchip, who is also a former criminal mastermind, jokes with him constantly, doesn't really kill all that many people, usually opting to let them live for some half baked reason, and there was one other thing. God what was that...It was something important. Oh yeah! Fractions Punisher strangled an innocent woman to death with his bare hands.

Well, I was talking more about personality-wise as opposed to how much one or the other kills, but yeah, joking around and actually letting big time criminals go doesn't sound very much like Punisher.

And he strangled an innocent woman? Yeah, I could see the Punisher doing that. She must've run a red light or something. Hey, he's nearly killed for that
before.

 

[Badfish40oz]

Seems to me that its out of continuity, but the 616 Punisher can adapt some stuff that happens in the MAX line, if it works for the character.

Kind of like how Batman: The Animated Series wasn't in continuity with the DC universe, yet you eventually had Harley Quinn running around with the Joker.