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Infinity War Is Shuri Truly Smarter Than Tony Stark?

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OK, since Black Panther hit, I have seen tons of articles, videos and whatnot about how Shuri is the new brains of the MCU. But does that really hold water? Just for arguments sake,
most of her inventions surround the vibranium technology. Take that away from her, would she have been just as successful in her inventions,
where as you take Tony, he built a mobile arc reactor and the first Iron-Man suit, in a cave using scraps and spare parts, and then, with the help of his deceased father, even created a new element all on his own.

I also wonder if any of this is going to come into play in the movie. There are so many unanswered questions. Like, how did Howard Stark get the vibranium to make Cap's shield? Howard Stark was a pretty famous figure back in his prime, someone that even T'Challa would probably be aware of, so I wonder if Howard did know
about Wakanda and was well respected by the leaders of Wakanda at the time (all speculation here of course), and that might be one of the
reasons T'Challa was so quick to be on Tony's side during Civil War.

And heck, what about Thor. Him being a God of some sorts, you think he will be aware of Wakanda? I mean, the whole BP film was built up that they kept hidden all of this time, but then you got Loki and Thor being able to go in and out of highly secured and secret areas without a problem. Then let's not mention Vision..... Like I said, so many questions. Heck, what about the fact that Wakanda is supposed to be the most technically advanced nation in the world, but yet, they had to have CIA agent Ross explain to them who exactly Kilmonger is. You would think with all of their spies around the globe, they would have known exactly who he was. So, could we be seeing some plot holes with upcoming films regarding this secret country?
 
And heck, what about Thor. Him being a God of some sorts, you think he will be aware of Wakanda?
Thor, Loki, and even Vision had no reason to know about the truth of Wakanda; as far as they're concerned, the cloaked city doesn't exist. How could they go looking for something if they didn't know it's location? Even if they'd each concluded that Wakanda is in Africa, the Wakandan capital (seems) to be an isolated city in a vast landscape. It would be (somewhat) like looking for a needle in a haystack.
 
Thor might not have known about Wakanda but I'm sure Heimdall did. I don't think Loki knew about it either. Otherwise I think he would have attempted to use it for his own purposes when he tried to conquer Earth. Why not use the mind stone on Shuri? That would have been handy.

I do wonder how Howard came across that vibranium. Sounds like there's a story there somewhere.

You make some good points regarding Shuri's intellect vs. Tony's. She also was raised in a society that was vastly more advanced than the rest of the world. I don't see this argument as so cut and dry. Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein may not have known how to use a PC but they were clearly smarter than 99.9% of people alive on this planet today.

Also Wakanda may be the most advanced society and have spies all over the world but that does not automatically translate to "all knowing".
 
Heimdall could very well know about it though. I doubt any of the Asgardians have any reason to take interest in Wakanda though.

Edit: Too late.
 
She could likely compete with Stark at the same age, but I doubt very much she could compete with modern day Stark without the vibranium advantage. It doesn't mean she couldn't be another Stark (and maybe even surpass him) when she's had a few more decades to research, collaborate with other top brains and continually build on her own discoveries/knowledge base.
 
She could likely compete with Stark at the same age, but I doubt very much she could compete with modern day Stark without the vibranium advantage. It doesn't mean she couldn't be another Stark (and maybe even surpass him) when she's had a few more decades to research, collaborate with other top brains and continually build on her own discoveries/knowledge base.

This is kind of what I was thinking. She's probably smarter than Stark was at 16 but not current Stark.
 
Agent Carter Season 3!!!!

Sounds good to me! I was very disappointed that the series discontinued after Season 2. I thought the second season was a step down from the first but it still was entertaining. And I hate when things end on a cliff hanger that is never resolved.

If Disney really does make their own streaming network then maybe they can revisit that show at some point.
 
I'd assume Shuri is just slightly less genius than Stark. Stark created Ultron, when Shuri does anything similar to that, I'll commend her. She's smarter than Peter for sure by leagues, maybe even Bruce level. But not Stark. Stark is the pinnacle of knowledge in the MCU atm.
 
To the rest of the world, Wakanda is considered a 3rd world country. Which is part of their cover. So they are ignored.

I also think a lot of things they don't know about the rest of the world, what is happening etc. is because they are their own world. Not very many of them have been on the outside.

And heck, what about Thor. Him being a God of some sorts, you think he will be aware of Wakanda? I mean, the whole BP film was built up that they kept hidden all of this time, but then you got Loki and Thor being able to go in and out of highly secured and secret areas without a problem. Then let's not mention Vision..... Like I said, so many questions. Heck, what about the fact that Wakanda is supposed to be the most technically advanced nation in the world, but yet, they had to have CIA agent Ross explain to them who exactly Kilmonger is. You would think with all of their spies around the globe, they would have known exactly who he was. So, could we be seeing some plot holes with upcoming films regarding this secret country?
I think they didn't know about Killmonger because that's the way Killmonger wanted it. His dad told him that he may not be welcomed in Wakanda, he'd be viewed as an outsider. He knows his dad was killed by Black Panther/T'Chaka, he was a smart kid.
But I think the main reason no one knew about him was because T'Chaka made sure of it. That is a HUGE situation he wanted to keep secret from everyone.
 
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To the rest of the world, Wakanda is considered a 3rd world country. Which is part of their cover. So they are ignored.

I also think a lot of things they don't know about the rest of the world, what is happening etc. is because they are their own world. Not very many of them have been on the outside.

I think they didn't know about Killmonger because that's the way Killmonger wanted it. His dad told him that he may not be welcomed in Wakanda, he'd be viewed as an outsider. He knows his dad was killed by Black Panther/T'Chaka, he was a smart kid.
But I think the main reason no one knew about him was because T'Chaka made sure of it. That is a HUGE situation he wanted to keep secret from everyone.

Um..did you reply to the wrong thread lol?
 
She could likely compete with Stark at the same age, but I doubt very much she could compete with modern day Stark without the vibranium advantage. It doesn't mean she couldn't be another Stark (and maybe even surpass him) when she's had a few more decades to research, collaborate with other top brains and continually build on her own discoveries/knowledge base.

This, Tony' imo has way more achievements scientifically than Shuri has. BUT she's still young. So AS IS NOW< Tony above Shuri.
Give her a few decades, and maybe she will surpass him?
 
She could be smarter than Tony. Intelligence is just the potential, it doesn't factor in knowledge or experience.
 
Mjölnir;36399179 said:
She could be smarter than Tony. Intelligence is just the potential, it doesn't factor in knowledge or experience.

In that case maybe she was superior even as a baby or foetus. :woot:
 
I think people say that because of a prelude comic or something. Feels like people loving the new toy and moving on from the old one. I think she is a genius who had the luck of having plenty of Vibranium. I think they are both super smart but will both be dumbfounded when they see what Dr Strange can do or Rocket Raccoon. Anyways, they'll all be lil babies compared to Reed Richards if he is done right.
 
I think people say that because of a prelude comic or something. Feels like people loving the new toy and moving on from the old one. I think she is a genius who had the luck of having plenty of Vibranium. I think they are both super smart but will both be dumbfounded when they see what Dr Strange can do or Rocket Raccoon. Anyways, they'll all be lil babies compared to Reed Richards if he is done right.

Doom won’t take these lesser brains seriously during his obsession with Reed. :funny:
 
I think a better question would be who is more capable? As earlier posters have mentioned, smarter is hard to judge based on feats.
 
Yeah, we don't really know. Tony probably does more with less though, if that makes sense.

It's sort of like...take Newton, and take Einstein, and take Hawking. Who's "smarter"? Hard to say. They all had different stuff to work with, different educational and scientific baselines, totally different societies with different levels of understanding.

I don't know she's "smarter". She's just "20th century scientist surrounded by other scientists from 1750" or whatever.
 
Mjölnir;36399179 said:
She could be smarter than Tony. Intelligence is just the potential, it doesn't factor in knowledge or experience.

In which case, i say it still goes to Tony. He's been out in the world working and doing stuff for decades. What experience has shuri had?
 
In which case, i say it still goes to Tony. He's been out in the world working and doing stuff for decades. What experience has shuri had?

That was my point. Shuri could have higher IQ but she hasn't had time to gather the same amount of knowledge and experience so that's why Stark has done more impressive things (not accounting for the age of which they accomplished them).
 
I don't really think it can be determined at this point, though she definitely gives Tony some competition.
 
Mjölnir;36400737 said:
That was my point. Shuri could have higher IQ but she hasn't had time to gather the same amount of knowledge and experience so that's why Stark has done more impressive things (not accounting for the age of which they accomplished them).

I would say that - if anything - she probably has more knowledge that he does given how advanced her inventions are relative to his. That said, the shoulders she stood on to get there were quite a bit taller than those Stark stood on, so he could still be more intelligent than her.
 
I would say that - if anything - she probably has more knowledge that he does given how advanced her inventions are relative to his. That said, the shoulders she stood on to get there were quite a bit taller than those Stark stood on, so he could still be more intelligent than her.

I don't think her inventions seem more advanced, apart from that she has access to vibranium. The IM suit has a lot more functionality than the BP suit, the remote vehicle control Shuri has would have been self-controlled through AI with Stark, etc. Shuri does seem to have more knowledge about biology than Stark though.

We can be pretty sure Stark built all the stuff we see him have, while Shuri's predecessors likely built plenty of what's in Wakanda given her age.

Not that it matters though. Both make extremely fantastical stuff.
 
Mjölnir;36400737 said:
That was my point. Shuri could have higher IQ but she hasn't had time to gather the same amount of knowledge and experience so that's why Stark has done more impressive things (not accounting for the age of which they accomplished them).

Exactly. Its like the difference between Nicholas Rush, and Eli Wallace in Stargate universe.
Eli had the higher IQ in the end, but RUSH's experience and general knowledge had him smarter in the start. Eli closed the gap with all they did on the Destiny..
 

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