Is this going to be exactly like the TV series?

How about throwing a bone to the original content of the Comic Book series by having the original CB origin. Or something close to it, Rick Jones anyone? The one dangerous Gamma bomb would do wonders for the Hulk movie universe. The gamma bomb could effect people differently & most others not at all. This could then be used for other gamma people/creatures in future films. Hollywood can't seem to figure this out. I guess the Leader will be creating all of Hulks villains from now on or by stealing from Banner.

I am no fan of the Ultimate Hulk. Whoever thought it would be a good idea to turn my favorite hero into the twisted bastard offspring of Capt. America's serum and then further trash him by making him a psychotic cannibalistic sex fiend should be clubbed like a baby seal, along with the clueless jackasses who approved such a shatty idea for publication. (Did I mention that I don't care much for this version?:oldrazz:)

Again though, there are those who do like the Ultimate incarnation, and to appeal to a broader fanbase it makes good business sense for the film makers to put a little of everything into their Hulk. Now a "melting pot" Hulk amalgamation idea might not work, but I gotta give LL and Co. credit for taking a shot at it.
 
Hey, I like Ultimate Hulk. People just seem to think that the Ultimate Universe should be a rehash of the old plots and characters. :oldrazz:
 
The Ang movie didn't need more Hulk, it needed a better Hulk. Un-heroic, baby-faced, Stay-Puft Hulk just didn't cut it. Only a few brief moments during his total screen time in that entire film approached the true power that is The Incredible Hulk. And contrary to what you say, I believe too much Hulk is a bad thing. I don't want to just see the Hulk run around and smash crap for two hours. Overkill; familiarity breeds contempt; seen it, etc., etc. I can get that fix playing Hulk: Ultimate Destruction.

I think much of the delight in seeing the Hulk destroy things comes from the build up of the tension in and around Banner beforehand, leading up to that 'last straw' - when he loses control and the beast within him erupts like big green volcano. Don't get me wrong though. I can't wait to see the Hulk destroy some major sections of real estate and whoop some badguy ass, but too much is too much. Like a cake that's all icing and no cake.

I think your theory that sticking close = success is thin ice, at best. The first two 'X-Men' films were major box office smashes, yet Singer & Co. took HUGE liberties with practically all of the characters in various ways: origin, time-line placement, dress & uniform, etc. Same exact thing with every other superhero film, really. Even the beloved Reeves 'Superman' made tweaks to the source material. The difference in success vs. crapola is in the way it's approached. It must: 1) treat the source material with dignity, 2) play it straight rather than going for cheap laughs, and 3) make the characters 'real' rather than 2-dimensional caricatures. If it can do all this in a way that can still appeal to non-CB fans then it should do well financially and critically, and please the less-hypercritical fanboys among us.

BTW... any time an existing non-comedic character (comics, TV, etc.) is played for laughs it should send up an instant 'red flag' that the folks involved either have no clue, or no respect... or both.

I honestly don't think that a 100% faithful adaption would EVER be well received by anyone other than CB junkies. There's just too much stuff to cram into a single picture or even series/trilogy. Unless you know it like the back of your hand, you're lost in seconds. Hardly a way to achieve box office success and ensure a long-running franchise. Like it or not, no matter how widespread we think we are, the fact of the matter is that non-CB fans make up the vast majority of the movie-going public, by a wide margin. If you can't adapt a CB hero and his/her backstory into something that anyone can follow and appreciate, you're sunk. You'll walk away with the most faithfully-adapted flop in history.

Take the FF movie Corman did in the early 90's. Folks who've seen it (not me) say it is much more faithful to the core concepts of the FF than the two recent adaptions, but I doubt it would have done well. (Although that would be more Corman's fault for trying to commit such an ambitious idea to film for $1.98 than for pure heart and good intentions.) And regarding 'X-Men,' despite what a lot of haters say, I think most audience members (non-CB fans) would have broke out in gales of laughter if Wolverine had stepped on screen in his traditional blue & yellow skintight costume and mask. What looks great on a bright, four-color comic panel often looks goofy on-screen.

There are exceptions of course. Reeves' Superman looked much better in his bright tights than the depressing maroon & Thalo blue suit Bryan Singer gave him. Same goes for Spidey. I think the suit tweaks looked okay, but weren't really needed. On the other hand, Ang's Hulk looked too green. Bright day-glo green looks nice in a comic and on Kermit the Frog, but not the Hulk. The LL version seems headed back in the right direction by adding gray to the green, and making it a darker hue.

The really sad / crazy thing about all this is that no one will be totally happy no matter what the film is like. Some will be ga-ga over it; others will decry it as celluloid diarrhea. The majority will probably like some parts and not others... and all of these impressions from watching the exact same movie!

Every fan has a perfect version of the movie in their head, and most likely everyone's 'brain film' will resemble very little of what we see next June, so there are bound to be haters & complaints. I fear I may become one of these, as the Hulk is my fav hero, and so I go in with high expectations and mental "must-haves" that probably won't see a frame of film, just like I did with Ghost Rider. As long as most of what's on screen jingles my bells, then I'll forgive the rest and like (or love) it. However, if I see more wrong than right then I'll be back here screaming to the Heavens.

I just hope I'll be crying tears of joy next summer rather than tears of sorrow.

You make some very good points DH. But I think you over complicate the matter somewhat. All most fans ask for is a very close, as faithful as reasonable, semblance of the character(s) and the material. While there may be years of material to chose from, most would no doubt agree that the most popular versions are the ones such films shoud draw from, i.e., not rare variants on the character or one-offs that lasted for a short period, etc.,..

In other words, as with most comicbook films, the fans want the traditional character from his most popular era--usually the eras or stories that most fans know. No doubt of course a "Hulk Smash" movie would be short sighted and thus a film needs a little bit more meat and potatoes so to speak. But again the material is there for a competent team of writers more than familiar with the material--who truely understand the character. I'm talking Raimi and Jackson level understanding and care for the material--it shows in their films. The films where the director clearly didn't know the material that well is obvious no matter how well the film did at the box office. In such cases the film usually falls way short--WAY SHORT of the greater potential of the material (see X-men and FF, what a wasted opportunity to do something great and truely special--instead they opted to play it safe).

Any way....I just hope this film gives me the same feeling I get when watching SM:TM and Raimi's Spider-man films. I want to feel like I am watching an incredible, visual spectacle--the imagination from the comics turned loose on screen.

I hate it when comicbook films feel reserved, dumbed down and conservative. It defeats the whole fantastic purpose of the source
material.

My two cents any way...
 
Exactly! It is in their best interests for the film makers to try and acknowledge & satisfy fans of the varied incarnations of the Hulk. The recipe for TIH success:

1a) The best of the 616 comic (classic, most widely-recognized appearance & powers, rogue's gallery of best villains & supporting cast, over-the-top level of action)

1b) Throw a bone to the fans of the newer 'Ultimate' version with the inclusion of the Super serum story angle

2) The best of the live-action TV series (Bixby's outstanding adult-oriented pathos-drenched Banner performance, iconic music cues & visual tidbits)

= perfect 'movie Hulk' that appeals to all fan sectors and brings in and satisfies each (at least to some degree)

I simply cannot understand why people are not happy that at least some (if not all) of the particular version of the Hulk that they know & love is being incorporated into this re-boot. You'd think this approach is a "no-brainer" if we want the Hulk to be good enough (and make enough of a profit) to keep the franchise going strong. Must be one of those "there's no pleasing some people" kind of things, I guess?

Agreed (don't want to much of the TV show though). Also, the man on the run aspect is/was a part of the comics as well.
 
How about throwing a bone to the original content of the Comic Book series by having the original CB origin. Or something close to it, Rick Jones anyone? The one dangerous Gamma bomb would do wonders for the Hulk movie universe. The gamma bomb could effect people differently & most others not at all. This could then be used for other gamma people/creatures in future films. Hollywood can't seem to figure this out. I guess the Leader will be creating all of Hulks villains from now on or by stealing from Banner.

You know, I understand where you're coming from. The material is there for the taking and can't be all that difficult to adapt. It just seems at times filmakers are hell bent on not following the material. That said, even as a purist, I can definitely understand and forgive some changes and updates to popular comicbook lore. So long as it "fits".
 
I just feel the Hulk, maybe more than any other character, has soooooo many variations that it's hard to make this movie appeal to everyone. Including a gray hulk would be cool but what about those who never read the book? Using the TV show music and overall theme is ok, but what about the Gamma bomb for us who grew up with that? Should Hulk talk or not? How should he look? People from all over the world know of this character but in vastly different ways. You take Superman out of his traditional outfit and it doesn't work, ever, in any medium. There's really only one way to do Superman, or Spiderman, even Batman (as far as he's concerned, that is. The villains, well we'll have to wait and see).

The Hulk has found success in so many different incarnations, that making a film about it has to be difficult. I hope it's as close to the comics as possible, but maybe that might not be the way to go. Believe it or not, even Ang's film has it's supporters and some people may be disappointed this won't be a direct sequel. It's just too hard to tell right now, but throw a little of everything in and who knows, something might just stick...
 
As much of a fan as I am of the original comic, the G-bomb origin was lifted from about a dozen 1950's sci-fi movies (especially The Amazing Colossal Man) so to modern audiences that would be beyond hokey. (I am reminded of Radioactive Man's origin on the Simpsons ...) Kind of ironic since The US Department of defense was working on a gamma bomb as recently as 2003 I know, but still.

As long as Rick Jones is involved, even as little as a name drop, I'll be good.
 
Obi,
I got a real kick out of your signature. You are the John Lenon of Hulk fans. :)
 
I do have to say one thing about the show.
David Banner is a CLUTZ! There has never been a TV character more accident prone that DB. If it weren't for the fact that he could turn into the Hulk, that guy would have made the Darwin's List before the first season ever got off of the ground! Watch that show as if it were a comedy next time and every time ceiling planks collapse on David, or he gets his hand caught in a printing press, you will laugh you ass off.
 
I do have to say one thing about the show.
David Banner is a CLUTZ! There has never been a TV character more accident prone that DB. If it weren't for the fact that he could turn into the Hulk, that guy would have made the Darwin's List before the first season ever got off of the ground! Watch that show as if it were a comedy next time and every time ceiling planks collapse on David, or he gets his hand caught in a printing press, you will laugh you ass off.

LOL that's so true and so funny. You'd think a guy who could turn into the Hulk would be a little bit more carefull. Sheesh :bh:
 
Chris Farley would have been a great David Banner.
 
Well this two part video of Comic Con says it all. They are making the tv version of the Hulk. Hint, just look at the title its the same as the 70s tv series.:cmad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0-M2u3xPqU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KuUpHJJmZo&feature=related


Actually, after watching those two clips, I'm even more excited now to see this film. Norm, I think you're seeing only what you want to see here. They so much as said that they (LL & Norton) were fans of the show, but Ed prefaced that by stating that he was a Marvel Comics kid and cited several different storylines, both classic and recent, so I think this film is in excellent hands insofar as the angles they'll be exploring. I took the TV reference as being that they intended to stick with treating the material with the same level of maturity and seriousness that Kenneth Johnson & Bill Bixby did, rather than camp it up or dumb it down into an ignorant action film.

BTW... The Incredible Hulk was the title of the comic from day one, long before (14 years) the series was ever even thought of. Why so angry? Wait until you see it before you lose your cool.
 
I am no fan of the Ultimate Hulk. Whoever thought it would be a good idea to turn my favorite hero into the twisted bastard offspring of Capt. America's serum and then further trash him by making him a psychotic cannibalistic sex fiend should be clubbed like a baby seal, along with the clueless jackasses who approved such a shatty idea for publication. (Did I mention that I don't care much for this version?:oldrazz:)

Again though, there are those who do like the Ultimate incarnation, and to appeal to a broader fanbase it makes good business sense for the film makers to put a little of everything into their Hulk. Now a "melting pot" Hulk amalgamation idea might not work, but I gotta give LL and Co. credit for taking a shot at it.

I agree with some of what you say. That all depends on how popular the Ulimate Hulk is.
 
This is definitely the TV show. Banner is on the run, hiding out trying to find a cure and not get in trouble while taking on odd jobs along the way. Moving from place to place in search of the cure.

While, on the other hand there are several characters that hardly appeared in the television show itself. Betty appeared, but I don't think it was the same Betty from the comics.

The action is meatier and at the end there's a huge action sequences that is going to probably top the finale in Transformers and that says A LOT. Seriously, the amount of ass whooping these two goliaths dish out on one another is astronomical!

So, I'd say it's comic Hulk- but delivered in a sense that many who watched and loved the television show would also get and go along with. My parents were huge fans of the television show, and I think for many who only knew that, thought the movie was -eh, not what they imagined and wanted something more traditional. Well, they're getting that now- but in a really serious dramatic way that also delivers on the action.
 
So, I'd say it's comic Hulk- but delivered in a sense that many who watched and loved the television show would also get and go along with.

I can live with that, more Hulk for everyone. But as a correction, the only character from the comic who made it to the TV show was Banner (and they didn't even get his name right.) There was a dead wife and a soon-to-be-dead lab assistant in the premiere, but neither one was Betty.
 
I mean, the evidence is building- with this new picture, the title, and the director saying that the original theme will be used, is this going to be just like the 80's show?

I hope not. I mean, it makes for a damn good movie, but there is a limit. :bh:
more than likely it will look like a money spinning big budget/low substance verstion of the original series, kinda in line in how all other tv series remakes have been made this century.
 
more than likely it will look like a money spinning big budget/low substance verstion of the original series, kinda in line in how all other tv series remakes have been made this century.

That's sounds pretty cool to me, if it turns out to be true. So long as they throw in elements of the comic, here and there, i'll be pleased. I guess they're (the film makers) trying to find a balance between not making it too comic booky, yet not trying to piss off the fans yet AGAIN. The tv show is universally loved, and is the most grounded version of the Hulk to date. So using elements of the show is a smart move.
 
The tv show is universally loved, and is the most grounded version of the Hulk to date. So using elements of the show is a smart move.

I agree, but I think we may be a minority.








And I am sick of being hassled by "the man."
 
And funny thing is, box office wise, the more traditional and respectful to the comic source material a film is, the bigger the success.
That doesn't surprise me.

There is an attitude of disdain about comics. That they are inferior in some way. (You wouldn't think we would get that around here.) It's p*ssing some people off that comic based movies are doing so well since Hollywood finally got around to recognizing the genre as a valid source of material.

Well a comic is successful for a reason. Change it if you want, but don't blame the character when it fails. The Superman character is cheesy...but they didn't change him for the movies. If it ain't broke...don't fix it. The Hulk comic was successful because the Hulk character is very interesting. Both the TV show and the Ang movie made him into a sidebar. He really wasn't a character at all.

Lots of people claim the comic Hulk wouldn't work onscreen. I would love to know how they know that since no one has even tried it yet. How about trying what has been proven to work before you declare it impossible?
 
Box office wise.

Batman Begins more accurate to comics. Batman 89 made more money.
 

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