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J.J. Abrams, Undercovers

It doesn't have an all black cast, though. Half the cast is white.

Yeah, the main cast is actually balanced, with three whites and three blacks now that Leo Nash will become a semi-permanent member of the team. It is a multiracial ensemble show, though unlike many of its ilk the blacks are not background players, but are the stars.

As for the first two episodes, I've enjoyed them. Though I generally like darker fare, I think the light tone works well for the leads. Kodjoe and Raw have nice chemistry. Raw is gorgeous. The cinematography is lush and the costuming and production values are pretty good.

I've always liked McRaney and I think he adds some grit and understated humor. I don't care for Nash. I think he's too lightweight and I don't like him always referencing that he slept with Samantha. It's a very tired joke and it's disrespectful to keep bringing that up to both Blooms. I really don't see the need for his inclusion on the team. It probably is supposed to add dramatic tension, but I would rather the show work on beefing up its villains and amping up the tension of each mission instead of giving us Nash and his brand of 'humor'.
 
Yeah, the main cast is actually balanced, with three whites and three blacks now that Leo Nash will become a semi-permanent member of the team. It is a multiracial ensemble show, though unlike many of its ilk the blacks are not background players, but are the stars.

As for the first two episodes, I've enjoyed them. Though I generally like darker fare, I think the light tone works well for the leads. Kodjoe and Raw have nice chemistry. Raw is gorgeous. The cinematography is lush and the costuming and production values are pretty good.

I've always liked McRaney and I think he adds some grit and understated humor. I don't care for Nash. I think he's too lightweight and I don't like him always referencing that he slept with Samantha. It's a very tired joke and it's disrespectful to keep bringing that up to both Blooms. I really don't see the need for his inclusion on the team. It probably is supposed to add dramatic tension, but I would rather the show work on beefing up its villains and amping up the tension of each mission instead of giving us Nash and his brand of 'humor'.

Haha, I think secretly, they have Nash there so they can be like, "see, we have to have that one cool white guy that's somewhat of the alpha male type, and since he has no romantic interest, let's have him be her ex."
 
Interesting points DarKush, with Undercovers if it has alienated the white audience that is very disheartening, I mean the show is in a popular genre, the lead characters are not in the ghetto where the white folks can't relate, in fact their colour is not a factor in their characters at all, they are portrayed no differently than a regular white couple would be.
 
Haha, I think secretly, they have Nash there so they can be like, "see, we have to have that one cool white guy that's somewhat of the alpha male type, and since he has no romantic interest, let's have him be her ex."

Kinda making Kodjoe less "threatening" and Raw more "attainable" by saying "Whitey tapped that too, it's all good."
 
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Good points about how the show has portrayed both Blooms. Steven is pretty non-threatening and only expresses mild displeasure with Leo's digs at his wife (though I'm glad they at least allow him that). And so far, a big part of Samantha's arsenal is her sexpionage which she has used with white men so far. (Though to be fair, I think the show has done a good job showing the Blooms in love with each other and at least intimating a healthy sexual relationship, something Hollywood doesn't do well in general, but particuarly with blacks and perhaps other racial minorities). Also, she doesn't seem troubled or insulted by Leo's reminders of their relationship. I would think most wives wouldn't want that being thrown in their faces.

Though I would argue that some white folks 'know' about the ghetto very well and that perhaps they can't relate to the Blooms or are not interested in them, or find them unrealistic, because they are not from the 'ghetto' or 'act black'.

The 'ghetto' has become synonmous with the 'authentic' black experience in this country way too much, courtesy of the mass media, but there are white folks who came up poor in rural and urban environments in America and have faced many of the tangle of problems poor blacks have faced. As as many other non-blacks. However, all too often, poverty and crime are given a black face. After decades of this kind of negative conditioning (which some blacks have made fortunes off of to be fair, i.e. gangsta rap), I think many people, black, white, etc. do see the ghetto as a 'black thing'. But it wasn't always so and it isn't always so now. It's just that those stories get told over and over and over again and other stories, about the black rich or black middle class, or about black scientists, doctors, etc. rarely if every get much attention. So, I would argue that there are quite a lot of black couples that are a 'regular' as white couples. That's just not well reflected on TV.

Audiences might be more comfortable seeing black social dysfunction and failure, of seeing blacks as criminals, unintelligent, or degenerates, as objects of scorn or pity, as part of the 'hood' with the lingo, or comedic buffoons, and not the opposite. But to be fair, again there are 'positive' portrayals of blacks on TV at least since the 60s. Generally though this falls into another type of dead-in, the role of sidekick or background player, the "Black Best Friend" that I mentioned in the earlier trailer. Neither the thug/prostitute/maid nor the professional Black Best Friend (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BlackBestFriend)
are three-dimensional and exists more to often support the white main characters than to be their own characters or to run the show.

I do want to repeat that I can't say that race plays the sole factor. However, I do think it plays a factor, and that happens across the media. Only a few people, like Denzel, Morgan Freeman, Will Smith, Halle, etc. have found a way around the casting ghetto, though they often take on race neutured roles and Halle is rarely cast opposite a black leading man. They have largely learned to navigate through Hollywood by making themselves as non-threatening and attainable to whites as possible. Which IMO replaces one straitjacket for another. A gilded cage is still a cage.
 
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I'm giving the show a chance. I'm in the middle of the second episode right now.

Female lead is hot, and the type of black woman I'd marry but know I could never get. (cute AND sexy...plus has an accent)

As long as she's on the show I'm a fan. :woot:
 
Interesting points DarKush, with Undercovers if it has alienated the white audience that is very disheartening, I mean the show is in a popular genre, the lead characters are not in the ghetto where the white folks can't relate, in fact their colour is not a factor in their characters at all, they are portrayed no differently than a regular white couple would be.

I hate to say it...but I really do think it's because the main characters are black as well...
I know here in the US we try to pretend racism is almost gone. But really, it's not at all. We just have laws that prevent people from speaking their minds...that doesn't mean the thoughts don't still exist.
 
Sorry I lost track of this thread, you make some strong and sad points there Darkush, the thing that puzzles me is how does it not work in reverse? Why were black viewers not put off shows like 24 and LOST for instance?

I hate to say it...but I really do think it's because the main characters are black as well...
I know here in the US we try to pretend racism is almost gone. But really, it's not at all. We just have laws that prevent people from speaking their minds...that doesn't mean the thoughts don't still exist.

It's really hard to find another reason for it's failure, I mean it hits all the buttons of a show like Hawaii Five-0 with added romance and has a decent time slot, yet it's losing viewers every week.

I really hate the way they are shoehorning Leo into the show, he reminds me of Sean William Scott which is not a good thing, and he brings nothing to the show IMO. Hoyt is great as the Blooms comedic foil, Leo is unnecessary.
 
Honestly, when it comes to entertainment, white people are the default, so we ALL relate to them automatically. As a black guy, I can go see a comedy or an action flick with a white lead because, well, it's the norm and that's why I can technically relate to an extent. But vice versa don't always seem to work.
 
It's hard to tell what percentage the "blackness" played into it. My favorite show, Mercy, got killed in this same time slot last season. Human Target got shoved to Fridays, momentarily. The show didn't get great reviews from the get-go, even from the Abramites. The icing on the cake being that spy shows aren't exactly blowing up the ratings. It's numbers are basically the same as Covert Affairs.




Leo rocks! Or maybe I like him since he's the only one with some personality.
 
Honestly, when it comes to entertainment, white people are the default, so we ALL relate to them automatically. As a black guy, I can go see a comedy or an action flick with a white lead because, well, it's the norm and that's why I can technically relate to an extent. But vice versa don't always seem to work.

HR,

I agree with what Terry has said. Black people, as a whole, IMO, can identify far more easily with whites than the reverse. This goes back historically. For a long time, and I would argue, even today, whites have been the standard of success, beauty, manhood, feminity, conduct, etc., for many African Americans. So, its not that much of a problem for many blacks to watch movies/TV shows with white leads or that are predominately white.

That doesn't mean that blacks don't want to watch films/shows with black characters as the central character or with black themes. Many do. However, they aren't averse to watching entertainment where they are not the central characters, side characters, token characters, or not even in it because its something we are more used to. On the other hand I don't think that that's something many whites are used to and are reluctant to support entertainment that doesn't put them at the center.

Also, I think because many blacks have also accepted the idea of whites as the default/universal people that its tricky when it comes to 'white' movies or TV shows. On one level blacks realize that Seinfeld for example was a 'white' show that perhaps portrayed a very colorless NYC, but at the same time that didn't stop blacks from watching it. Or for me, I liked the American Pie movies and many 'white' comedies, but I don't see them as 'white' comedies. I see them as comedies with white people in them, but some of the better ones I understand and can relate to even though I am not white.

Spider-Man, Superman, Batman, etc., are white heroes with largely white supporting casts, but their color doesn't bar me from 'getting' what they are all about. I think when a black character is in the mix, the issue is race is largely more apt to come up because, I wonder, if most white writers/creators don't really acknowlege or consider blacks' opinions or perspectives unless there is a racial issue involved, so it ties the black characters more to race/racial controversy and it perhaps makes whites uncomfortable and defensive.

I think the initial wave of black superheroes from the 60s/70s were largely created as a response to the Civil Rights movement and the social changes sweeping the country at that time and their skin color perhaps was the most important character trait. The skin defines the character still. I wonder if this kind of thinking hasn't carried over until today.

In comparison, when you look at contemporary movies with largely black casts or books with black characters, to some extent you get a sense at times of how race can be, but not always, just one part (now it can be a major part) of these persons' makeup.

I would argue that in some black movies and books, you see more well rounded portrayals of blacks than you generally get in white media. Now, racial stereotypes are frequent in both white and black media, but that's another story.
 
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"I was five when I discovered that clowns are just as afraid of us as we are of them."

Haha, I laughed at that one.
 
that parking garage scene was pretty good
 
Agreed. This was the best episode for me(cue falling ratings/sadface). I finally bought into Sam and Steve's marriage with the story revolving around her sister.
 
"They're too pretty."

That's the reason a buddy of mine gave for not liking the show :whatever: :meanie:
 
I thought last night's episode was good. I think the bad guys are getting better. Sean (Walker?) was the best yet IMO. Also, they are adding more complexity to the 'perfect' marriage of the Blooms.

I actually forgot that there is something of an arc with this show when they had the McRaney phone scene. I hope they ramp up the arc more in the near future.

RPS,

I think its crazy that your friend feels that the Blooms are too pretty. What does he/she expect? It's Hollywood. Of course the leads are going to be attractive.

This sounds like some of the criticism that Blooms are "too perfect". We've seen extremely beautiful white people in loving, functional relationships on big and small screens for a long time but no one bats an eye at that for the most part. Though with blacks its almost like we have got to have something wrong with them for people to be comfortable with it. They've got to be dysfunctional or they've got to be in an interracial relationship. But two black folks in a loving, functional relationship, that seems like fantasy for some people, IMO. Now, a lot of these folks watch fantasy and sci-fi, etc. and have no problem with it, but the Blooms marriage, that's just too 'unrealistic'. Give me a break.

I think the show is laying the groundwork to show that there's more to the surface regarding the Blooms marriage, but my concern is that the idea of a loving marriage is a boring non-starter for some of Undercovers critics.
 
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We needs drama with our negroes.
 
It's hard to tell what percentage the "blackness" played into it. My favorite show, Mercy, got killed in this same time slot last season. Human Target got shoved to Fridays, momentarily. The show didn't get great reviews from the get-go, even from the Abramites. The icing on the cake being that spy shows aren't exactly blowing up the ratings. It's numbers are basically the same as Covert Affairs.




Leo rocks! Or maybe I like him since he's the only one with some personality.

Except Covert Affairs and Burn Notice pull in very similar ratings on a cable network, not a network like NBC.

I haven't given this show a chance yet, but it seems Chase will go before it to the graveyard in TV Heaven. I do know the main male lead was doing a Irish accent...and I could hear his American through it.

Should I catch up on the shows on hulu? Is it like action/drama comedy?
 
Except Covert Affairs and Burn Notice pull in very similar ratings on a cable network, not a network like NBC.

I haven't given this show a chance yet, but it seems Chase will go before it to the graveyard in TV Heaven. I do know the main male lead was doing a Irish accent...and I could hear his American through it.

Should I catch up on the shows on hulu? Is it like action/drama comedy?

Might as well. Start with the fourth ep and go backwards.
 
Immortal,

It's action/drama/comedy. Though I don't think its heavy on the comedy, it's not laugh out loud. But it is an action show with a lighter tone.

You should be able to catch all the episodes on hulu. I'm assuming they are on NBC.com as well.
 
Now we're getting somewhere. Sam's mentor is part of the reason she must have been brought back.

Loved Leo and Hoyt. "Edna?"
 
****ing annoyed here....

Was enjoying the show...
 
It's back to doing Tyler Perry related projects for Boris Kodjoe. And back to England for Gugu Mbatha-Raw.
 
Yet Chase remains. It's all politcs, man.
 

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