James Cameron's Sequel to "AVATAR"

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how do you know he can not come up with anything new? and James Cameron doesnt have to rely on cash anymore since Titanic. with Titanic he had enough money for himself and his kids. with Avatar he has enough money for his kids and kids from the kids from the kids.

Exactly. That is the problem. He no longer needs studios, they need him. Therefore he has the ability to surround himself with yes-man and cronies (just like George Lucas has done). Collaboration is a good thing. It is at the heart of all great art work (especially when it comes to film). Cameron is in the same position as Lucas. He has reached the point where can tell anyone who doesn't agree with him unconditionally to **** off. This isn't a good thing.
 
I really don't get why they hate opposing opinions so much.

I'd love being able to come up with an awesome idea or concept then have a bunch of other dudes help me flesh it out so it can be its absolute best.
 
The same reason certain girls in high school end up becoming that "queen bee" type with all the followers.
 
Yeah, but girls are deranged. :o
 
Exactly. That is the problem. He no longer needs studios, they need him. Therefore he has the ability to surround himself with yes-man and cronies (just like George Lucas has done). Collaboration is a good thing. It is at the heart of all great art work (especially when it comes to film). Cameron is in the same position as Lucas. He has reached the point where can tell anyone who doesn't agree with him unconditionally to **** off. This isn't a good thing.


Is this what Cameron chooses to do though? I mean Spielberg can also basically do whatever he wants but I don't think his past few films have been all that bad, other than of course the one Lucas was actually involved in.
 
Difference is Cameron has made more (different) films than Lucas. His only star achievement was the very first Star Wars. Cameron however has several great films under his belt.
 
I really don't get why they hate opposing opinions so much.

I'd love being able to come up with an awesome idea or concept then have a bunch of other dudes help me flesh it out so it can be its absolute best.

Well that's one side of the argument.
THe other one is also having too many cooks in the kitchen.
I am willing to go so far and say that unlike other directors , Cameron is one of the very few directors that has an understanding of making something commercial enough that people don't feel ripped off and at the same time maimakig something that is critically liked/loved.
It's a fine that balance that very directors know how to work with.
Too often you wind up on either side.
Either something is very commercial but from a critical point of view a bad movie.
Or something has good/great reviews critically but just isn't very commercial.

Yes in an ideal world i would've AVatar to a storyline where you can definately break your noodle over. But that's not to say that Cameron didnt deliver a bad movie.
 
Well that's one side of the argument.
THe other one is also having too many cooks in the kitchen.
Well, that's when you excerise intellect and strong creative control. It's not hard to do.
Yes in an ideal world i would've AVatar to a storyline where you can definately break your noodle over. But that's not to say that Cameron didnt deliver a bad movie.
Oh, I'm not saying its a bad movie. It's a solid 4/5.

But it's no Aliens. Or Terminator. Or Star Wars.
 
Exactly. That is the problem. He no longer needs studios, they need him. Therefore he has the ability to surround himself with yes-man and cronies (just like George Lucas has done). Collaboration is a good thing. It is at the heart of all great art work (especially when it comes to film). Cameron is in the same position as Lucas. He has reached the point where can tell anyone who doesn't agree with him unconditionally to **** off. This isn't a good thing.


Definitely. It's sad he's gotten that way :(

Although hasn't Cameron always been sort of set in his ways with his films? I know he's infamous for being difficult to work with and having a fiery temper, and he's a perfectionist with his work. I guess that part of him inflated after Avatar.
 
Well, that's when you excerise intellect and strong creative control. It's not hard to do.
Oh, I'm not saying its a bad movie. It's a solid 4/5.

But it's no Aliens. Or Terminator. Or Star Wars.
I remember how extremely hyped Avatar was, and all the amazing pics of this world we got to see long before the premiere. All the talk about a new 3D technique that was an idéa of Cameron himself seemed very interesting too. I really, really looked forward to Avatar, and a new great piece from Cameron.

When I watched the first trailer, I instantly got worried that it would be as predictable as it suddenly seemed, and that I almost could guess the main plot and possible outcome of the story very quickly. But I booked the best place in the theater and thought that I wouldn't try to be prejudiced, and just enjoy it with this new 3D technique and all. I probably was wrong and would be in for some surprises. Sigourney Weaver in a Cameron flick again was cool a bonus to look forward too.

But if you compare it to other highly entertaining pop corn blockbusters by Cameron, like Terminator, T2 and Aliens I have to agree with CConn. Unfortunately the story turned out to be as predictable as I feared, and also some cliches that annoyed me a little bit to much (i.e the character of Stephen Lang's colonel).

If I go to the cinema to watch a pop corn blockbuster with tons of visual CGI, I don't expect the story to be like a drama written by Bergman, Kieslowski or Hartley. Of course there's some movies that might resemble each other storywise, and that hasn't bother me before. But Avatar was still quite underwhelming for me, since I was hoping for a more interesting and unpredictable story. I watched it again later at home, but that feeling still remained.

BUT, I'm not an "Avatar hater", some scenes were completely amazing in visual terms, and the 3D was of course something different than the old gimmick. I clearly understand why lots of people enjoy it, it just wasn't for me.

I actually think that this sequel might turn out better, a fresh script combined with this world sounds more entertaining to me. Just my thoughts on this.
 
Exactly. That is the problem. He no longer needs studios, they need him. Therefore he has the ability to surround himself with yes-man and cronies (just like George Lucas has done). Collaboration is a good thing. It is at the heart of all great art work (especially when it comes to film). Cameron is in the same position as Lucas. He has reached the point where can tell anyone who doesn't agree with him unconditionally to **** off. This isn't a good thing.
I think Cameron is going to work with people he has worked with before not because they are yes-man or cronies but he has a shorthand with them or they have an expertise he admires. I would think this is how most directors are, they have a crew and tend to call on the same people for later projects because it's like a family.

If Cameron wasn't a collaborator, he wouldn't have been able to make the films he has made.
If Cameron wasn't a collaborator, he wouldn't have been able to build the cameras he needed. Cameron Pace Group wouldn't exist.
If Cameron wasn't a collaborator, he wouldn't have been able to build the submarine he needed.
If Cameron wasn't a collaborator, he wouldn't have been eyeing to make Alien 5 with Ridley Scott.
If Cameron wasn't a collaborator, he wouldn't be allowing someone else to write the script for Battle Angel.
 
I always laugh when people talk about people they never met as if they know them
 
The cinematic world would be a boring place without Cameron. He does collaborate, but he is also a singular director...he kind of reminds me of Terrance Malick. Jim's Avatar was not just a movie, it was an experience. I loved every bit of it...he hasn't ever made a movie that has ever disappointed me completely.

I know he has buried the Terminator franchise, but it would be great to see him "3D" the Terminator films.
 
I heard after the success of Titanic 3D, he is in talks of doing a Terminator 2 3D rerelase.
 
I never really have strong feelings one way or the other for Cameron, but after seeing everyone who's disappointed in Avatar make concise, intelligent arguments only to be replied to by a bunch of nonsensical sycophants, it's kinda hard not to root against him.
 
But I'm not even talking about myself.

Like I said, I was pretty impartial on Cameron. I'd still say Avatar is a solid 4/5 which isn't bad at all.

But you supporters just make him look real bad.
 
So being a fan of James Cameron makes him look bad? Talk about being nonsensical don't ya think? :o
 
When you have obnoxious fans, you generally get people disliking you because of it.

In any case, I'm not going to trade insults. It's not my intent. I merely wanted to describe what I've gathered from the past few pages of discussion.
 
I am not a big fan of the first movie but I'm looking forward to the sequel!
 
Oh, I'm not saying its a bad movie. It's a solid 4/5.

But it's no Aliens. Or Terminator. Or Star Wars.

Though I Think the backhanded insult toward Avatar and Cameron fans wasn't necessary, I do agree with your assessment of Avatar. I liked it, didn't love it, and didn't think it came close to other generation defining blockbusters.
 
James Cameron to Film Three Avatar Movies at the Same Time?

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=91891

Back in May, James Cameron was first quoted as saying that there might be four "Avatar" movies in total. With the first one having earned a record $2.782 billion at theaters worldwide, star Sigourney Weaver is now saying the next three will be filmed at the same time. Here are several quotes from an interview with Showbiz 411:

When “Political Animals” finishes shooting, see if you can follow Weaver’s schedule: she goes right into a new Christopher Durang play for a short run at Lincoln Center. Then she films “Avatar” 2, 3, and 4 with James Cameron. That’s right: they’re making three sequels to the blue 3D phenom all at the same time. Weaver says she has no idea how long it will take, or how it’s going to work. “I just show up,” she said.

In the previous interview, Cameron said that they had "spent the last year and a half on software development and pipeline development. The virtual production methodology was extremely prototypical on the first film. As then, no one had ever done it before and we didn't even know for two and half years into it and $100 million into it if it was going to work. So we just wanted to make our lives a whole lot easier so that we can spend a little more of our brainpower on creativity. It was a very, very uphill battle on the first film. So we've been mostly working on the tool set, the production pipeline, setting up the new stages in Los Angeles, setting up the new visual effects pipeline in New Zealand, that sort of thing. And, by the way, writing. We haven't gotten to the design stage yet. That'll be the next."


Could we be seeing "Avatar" movies for three consecutive Decembers in 2014, 2015 and 2016? We'll have to wait and see when the production reveals more details.
 
3 movies? I have no idea how Cameron is going to fill ONE sequel. To be fair, if there is anyone who knows how to make a good sequel, it's Cameron.
 
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