James Cameron's Sequel to "AVATAR"

[Midnyte_Sun]

I watched the entire extended edition flick at 120Mhz, which makes it appear faster than 24fps and it was fantastic. This movie is by far now my most favorite movie of all time.

 

[8wid]

What if Pandora is threatened with destruction and the few tens of thousands of Navi living there create human avatars to live on the Earth with the humans and simply make peace that way?

 

[Gabe99]

James Cameron Talks AVATAR 2, 3, Even AVATAR 4; Says He Now Only Wants to Make AVATAR Movies

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Great article. I'm glad he is very focused on making Avatar movies. Looks like Battle Angel is at least 6 yrs away.

 

[CConn]

I thought he said he'd direct a Prometheus sequel?

 

[Matt]

James Cameron is like a child with way too much money. He sees a new toy and he gushes over it until a better toy comes along. Avatar will be the only film he makes, until he finds something new that excites him. Then he'll spend ten years making that.

 

[CConn]

Do you think anyone has told him that Avatar really isn't that good and its script borders on outright plagiarism?

 

[Kane52630]

James Cameron Talks AVATAR 2, 3, Even AVATAR 4; Says He Now Only Wants to Make AVATAR Movies

Loved the first one and hey I'm fine with it, he's doing something far more important that making movies.

 

[:eek:]

Do you think anyone has told him that Avatar really isn't that good and its script borders on outright plagiarism?

Well, people like you seems to be very eager to tell him. Although you tend to do it anonymously. And in forums like this.

 

[matrix_ghost]

James Cameron Talks AVATAR 2, 3, Even AVATAR 4; Says He Now Only Wants to Make AVATAR Movies

With every news report i'm getting angrier and angrier for him delaying work on Battle ANgel.

 

[CConn]

Well, people like you seems to be very eager to tell him. Although you tend to do it anonymously. And in forums like this.

Give me his address and I'll send him a two page letter with my full name, address, and headshot included.

 

[Matt]

Yeah, that is a pretty weak argument eek. It isn't like CConn can just pick up his iPhone and say "Siri, call James Cameron."

 

[CConn]

Plus it's a foolish assumption that I'd be at all intimidated by the man. I wouldn't spit in his face, obviously, but as two mature adults, I would have no problem voicing my thoughts about his film to him.

 

[Bim]

Loved the first one and hey I'm fine with it, he's doing something far more important that making movies.

Agreed. I'm looking forward to what he's gonna do, he's earned my respect and admiration for sure. I've been enjoying his movies for too long.

 

[dark_b]

i was one of the biggest Cameron fans on this planet. and a huge avatar fan. i am very close saying that he is not an artist anymore but a business man. i give him 12 months to give me some Battle Angel news.

its bad bad that he is making 2 avatar movies together. it almost never works. but to say ''avatar business? come oooooon.

 

[Blue Sugar]

Yeah I'm a Cameronite and loved Avatar. But I'm still not sure if I like the track he is on now...

 

[Blue Sugar]

Do you think anyone has told him that Avatar really isn't that good and its script borders on outright plagiarism?

plagiarism... yeah like that particular story has only been told once by one person...

 

[Marvolo]

Do you think anyone has told him that Avatar really isn't that good and its script borders on outright plagiarism?

No need to. He pitched the movie as pocohantas in space, and he has said in that recent national geographic special that he pitched Titanic as Romeo and Juliet in a ship. The man knows exactly what he's doing and he don't give a **** what anyone thinks about it.

Personally I don't care. I prefer Avatar to Dances with Wolves and the Pocohantas story. It's an old story told in a dynamic way. Same with Titanic. I hate Romeo and Juliet but I liked it on the Titanic because it was more dynamic.

 

[Matt]

Plus it's a foolish assumption that I'd be at all intimidated by the man. I wouldn't spit in his face, obviously, but as two mature adults, I would have no problem voicing my thoughts about his film to him.

From what I hear about Cameron's temper, you wouldn't be able to have a mature discussion. Cameron is like Lucas. He is far too insulated at this point. He doesn't need studios. They need him. So like Lucas, he fires anyone who isn't a yes man and always hears what he wants to hear. And the reports of when he deal with someone who doesn't tell him exactly what he wants to hear...it gets bad.

 

[Blue Sugar]

No need to. He pitched the movie as pocohantas in space, and he has said in that recent national geographic special that he pitched Titanic as Romeo and Juliet in a ship. The man knows exactly what he's doing and he don't give a **** what anyone thinks about it.

Personally I don't care. I prefer Avatar to Dances with Wolves and the Pocohantas story. It's an old story told in a dynamic way. Same with Titanic. I hate Romeo and Juliet but I liked it on the Titanic because it was more dynamic.

 

[CConn]

No need to. He pitched the movie as pocohantas in space, and he has said in that recent national geographic special that he pitched Titanic as Romeo and Juliet in a ship. The man knows exactly what he's doing and he don't give a **** what anyone thinks about it.

Personally I don't care. I prefer Avatar to Dances with Wolves and the Pocohantas story. It's an old story told in a dynamic way. Same with Titanic. I hate Romeo and Juliet but I liked it on the Titanic because it was more dynamic.

That's not the only reused aspect of the film, though.

He reused a ton of elements from his own films such as Aliens or Terminator 2 and did so in a way that, I would argue, made Avatar feel rather stale and unoriginal.

I would also argue that the movie is overlong and have several minutes of scenes and footage that does very little to progress the overall story, and that interrupt the overall narrative flow of the film, both reducing its quality, and making it harder to stay engaging and enjoyable upon multiple viewings - especially when presented in 3D.

Additionally, his method of including a moral message of environmental conservation was done in an extremely heavy-handed and amateur manner. Anyone with any thorough knowledge of creative writi would know that purely by having the film be about outside invaders attacking a defenseless, "green" planet, is enough to illustrate the evils of environmental destruction and upheaval. Multiple scenes, subplots and expositions to drive that point home even farther is exponentially pointless and belies the creative intelligence of the film's production team.

So yeah, my complaints go far beyond it just being Pocahontas.

 

[CConn]

From what I hear about Cameron's temper, you wouldn't be able to have a mature discussion. Cameron is like Lucas. He is far too insulated at this point. He doesn't need studios. They need him. So like Lucas, he fires anyone who isn't a yes man and always hears what he wants to hear. And the reports of when he deal with someone who doesn't tell him exactly what he wants to hear...it gets bad.

Hah. After 8 years of posting here, I think I'd enjoy that more than anything else.

 

[Blue Sugar]

Avatar and it's message was not subtle, but damn it was entertaining and emotional. At least for me.

 

[CapedCrusader14]

Yeah the environmental message in the film was so heavy-handed that it really annoyed the crap out of me for the rest of the film.

 

[Marvolo]

That's not the only reused aspect of the film, though.

He reused a ton of elements from his own films such as Aliens or Terminator 2 and did so in a way that, I would argue, made Avatar feel rather stale and unoriginal.

I would also argue that the movie is overlong and have several minutes of scenes and footage that does very little to progress the overall story, and that interrupt the overall narrative flow of the film, both reducing its quality, and making it harder to stay engaging and enjoyable upon multiple viewings - especially when presented in 3D.

Additionally, his method of including a moral message of environmental conservation was done in an extremely heavy-handed and amateur manner. Anyone with any thorough knowledge of creative writi would know that purely by having the film be about outside invaders attacking a defenseless, "green" planet, is enough to illustrate the evils of environmental destruction and upheaval. Multiple scenes, subplots and expositions to drive that point home even farther is exponentially pointless and belies the creative intelligence of the film's production team.
So yeah, my complaints go far beyond it just being Pocahontas.

I understand but for me the lack of subtleties never bothered me. I've always liked Cameron for his innovativeness moreso than his storytelling. He's never been touted as a grand storyteller or even claimed himself that it was his strong point. To expect it now would be ignoring that fact.

All films should deliver a good story but not all directors can. For me if they can't then they have to deliver in another way. What Cameron lacks in story originality he makes up for in many other ways. If his films were bland run of the mill fare I couldn't look past his reused stories but that's not the case with him.