Jim Lee and Dan Didio named Co-Publishers of DC!

[TheCorpulent1]

Not a fan of unadorned fish, myself. But I could eat fish sticks until the cows come home. Battering, breading, and deep-frying anything is a good idea in my book.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Why would anybody applaud promotions for someone they think is doing bad work? The number of issues Johns sells doesn't have any bearing whatsoever on whether Darth thinks he writes good comics. To put it in comic terms, it'd be as out of character for Darth to applaud Johns' promotion as it was for Kyle to ***** out over his mom's death and become Parallax.

I'm saying that we should applaud for recognition of success. And whether you like or dislike Johns, it's pretty clear that the man is very successful and deserves this promotion.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, yeah, sure, I applaud the abstract concept of merit-based promotion...

 

[hippie_hunter]

And he's qualified as well.

 

[Drz]

Geoff Johns is bringing DC/Vertigo/Wildstorm characters to live to TV, Video Games and Movies... Or well thats the general idea from him, how can you not be satisfied? We might get finally get a Flash game for example!

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't agree with Johns' vision of a lot of those characters. So his bringing them to anything will probably result in wonky versions that I don't like. You really can't see how that wouldn't excite me?

 

[Drz]

It's better than nothing and a good start overall, and i'd wait and see to be honest before judging.

 

[Darthphere]

I'm saying that we should applaud for recognition of success. And whether you like or dislike Johns, it's pretty clear that the man is very successful and deserves this promotion.

Bordering on ridiculous. Especially if that success came on the heels of what you perceived to be bad writing and mistreatment of certain characters to fit his image of how the DCU should be. Sorry, but no.

And he's qualified as well.

Opinion.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Bordering on ridiculous. Especially if that success came on the heels of what you perceived to be bad writing and mistreatment of certain characters to fit his image of how the DCU should be. Sorry, but no.

It's not bordering on ridiculousness. Just because you think it's bad writing doesn't change the fact that Johns' work has received not only financial success for DC, but critical success as well.

Opinion.

How you feel about Johns' writing is opinion. Johns being qualified for the position of Chief Creative Officer on the other hand is fact. Johns' new job is stated to be “film, toys, television, video games, animation and beyond.”

Now taking a look at his position in the comics industry, his work on the Green Lantern, Flash, and Captain Marvel movies, his work on DC Universe Online for the PlayStation 3, and his work on Smallville and Justice League Unlimited. He has experience bringing DC's characters across various media platforms. Which is exactly what the job entails.

It's not like when DC hired Joel Silver's TV lackey Gregory Noveck as Senior VP of Creative Affairs to exploit DC's characters on film.

Now promoting Dan DiDio and Jim Lee as Co-Publishers. That I certainly question. However that's because of facts over how Dan DiDio ran DC Comics as Executive Editor, the performance of WildStorm Productions, and why do you need two men to do one job when you had Paul Levitz perfectly capable of doing it by himself and Dan Buckley at Marvel Comics as well. Or the fact that Jim Lee lives in San Diego where WildStorm is located and Dan DiDio lives in New York City, headquarters of DC Comics.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It's better than nothing and a good start overall, and i'd wait and see to be honest before judging.

I am waiting and seeing. I haven't decided to drop everything DC and never look at them again or anything. I'm just not particularly excited about the announcement that Johns is going to be the be-all, end-all of creative decisions and DiDio is going to have even more power now. That combination has been slowly pushing me off of various DC comics I once enjoyed, so why would I be excited to see their reach extend over even more of DC's stable?

 

[Jennifer Walters]

The only thing I don't like about Johns and his writing is his tending to favor bringing back old characters to mantles that didn't need to be brought back. Was anyone real clamoring for Hal Jordan and Barry Allen back? If Morrison wasn't already bringing back Bruce himself, I'm sure that'd be next on his agenda.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

People were clamoring. Franklin Richards, for one. I've learned two things from the retcon-trifecta of Hal's return, One More Day, and Barry's return:

1) No major character ever actually stays dead forever, period, full stop. It just ain't gonna happen.

2) Marvel and DC can do literally anything if they hype it up and put big enough names behind it, and regardless of whatever outrage it creates, the vast majority of fans will eventually shut up, fall in line, and buy the comics (if they ever even stop in the first place). Comic fans are like crack addicts that way, and the big publishers damn well know it.

 

[Darthphere]

It's not bordering on ridiculousness. Just because you think it's bad writing doesn't change the fact that Johns' work has received not only financial success for DC, but critical success as well.

I hope you jump to Bendis' defense whenever someone brings this point up. I thought this messageboard was all about sales don't equal quality. And critical success is suspect in the comics world because Newsarama isn't going to give Geoff Johns a bad review on a comic and gain the wrath of fanboys like you who worship him. Critical praise in comics world is a lot different from movies and TV.

How you feel about Johns' writing is opinion. Johns being qualified for the position of Chief Creative Officer on the other hand is fact. Johns' new job is stated to be “film, toys, television, video games, animation and beyond.”

Now taking a look at his position in the comics industry, his work on the Green Lantern, Flash, and Captain Marvel movies, his work on DC Universe Online for the PlayStation 3, and his work on Smallville and Justice League Unlimited. He has experience bringing DC's characters across various media platforms. Which is exactly what the job entails.

It's not like when DC hired Joel Silver's TV lackey Gregory Noveck as Senior VP of Creative Affairs to exploit DC's characters on film.

You're just repeating the same **** from a page ago so I'm not going to keep this carousel going. Just because Geoff Johns has been pegged "The Guy" by DC and the WB doesn't mean I have to jump in joy because he got a promotion. You can't say someone being qualified is a fact because the very definition of qualification entails opinion on someone's work. People like his work, a lot of people do. I don't. But do I think he's qualified? Not really. I'd rather see someone like Kurt Busiek in Johns role. So please, stop saying him being qualified is fact when it's really not.

And for the record, it's not like I'm going to burn down DC headquarters and never read a DC comic again. That would be overreacting. I'm just saying I don't like what Geoff Johns is trying to do and I don't agree with the direction he's taking DC. Can I just have my opinion without having you or some other fanboy jumping on my jock?

 

[kguillou]

Damn, aint that the harsh truth Corp.

I give Geoff a lot of credit for his work at DC. Even though i dont exactly see what the big deal is about his writing, if it wasnt for him Green Lantern wouldnt be the big name it is today. I dont think he's the answer to everything tho like DC seems to think. Seems like they turn to him to fix all of their properties now, i dont even think Bendis does that much work over at marvel.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Critical praise in comics world is a lot different from movies and TV.

That's because our critics aren't really critics, they're just dudes who happen to like comics. You and I know as much as or more than any of them, so it's not like we're reading extraordinarily informed or insightful opinions by our standards. We don't have Roger Ebert-level people in the comic reviewing field.

 

[Darthphere]

That's because our critics aren't really critics, they're just dudes who happen to like comics. You and I know as much as or more than any of them, so it's not like we're reading extraordinarily informed or insightful opinions by our standards. We don't have Roger Ebert-level people in the comic reviewing field.

That's why I roll my eyes when people bring up critical praise in comics. Bloggers are critics now? I mean, I don't deny it, people love Geoff Johns, I don't. Go figure.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I hope you jump to Bendis' defense whenever someone brings this point up. I thought this messageboard was all about sales don't equal quality. And critical success is suspect in the comics world because Newsarama isn't going to give Geoff Johns a bad review on a comic and gain the wrath of fanboys like you who worship him. Critical praise in comics world is a lot different from movies and TV.

Even though there is work of Bendis' that I don't like such as certain issues of New Avengers, Dark Avengers #11, etc. It doesn't change the fact that Bendis too is also critically and financially successful and he deserves the power he's been given at Marvel.

You're just repeating the same **** from a page ago so I'm not going to keep this carousel going. Just because Geoff Johns has been pegged "The Guy" by DC and the WB doesn't mean I have to jump in joy because he got a promotion. You can't say someone being qualified is a fact because the very definition of qualification entails opinion on someone's work. People like his work, a lot of people do. I don't. But do I think he's qualified? Not really. I'd rather see someone like Kurt Busiek in Johns role. So please, stop saying him being qualified is fact when it's really not.

And for the record, it's not like I'm going to burn down DC headquarters and never read a DC comic again. That would be overreacting. I'm just saying I don't like what Geoff Johns is trying to do and I don't agree with the direction he's taking DC. Can I just have my opinion without having you or some other fanboy jumping on my jock?

I'm not saying that you have to jump in joy. I'm saying that you're making him out to be someone who isn't qualified for the job just because he has done things that you don't like when the facts are that with what the Chief Creative Officer job entails, he's perfectly qualified for it.

Kurt Busiek is very talented. One of the greatest writers ever. In some ways he is superior to Johns in my opinion. However he is not at all qualified for the role that Johns has been given. He has never been given the opportunity (which is a shame) to have the capabilities to play a very influential role in the DC Universe and his background is solely in comics. He doesn't have the experience to exploit DC characters outside of comics like Johns does.

Johns has been given this role not just because of his comic book work. If he never ventured outside the realm of comics, he too, like Busiek, would not be qualified for the job. He's been given this role because of his capabilities outside of comics.

 

[hippie_hunter]

That's why I roll my eyes when people bring up critical praise in comics. Bloggers are critics now? I mean, I don't deny it, people love Geoff Johns, I don't. Go figure.

I would consider major comic book review sites such as IGN, Newsarama, CBR, etc. giving most of Johns' work positive reviews to be critical praise.

 

[Darthphere]

I'm not saying that you have to jump in joy. I'm saying that you're making him out to be someone who isn't qualified for the job just because he has done things that you don't like when the facts are that with what the Chief Creative Officer job entails, he's perfectly qualified for it.

I mean, I don't know else to put it, so here we go.

Spoiler

IN MY OPINION, GEOFF JOHNS IS NOT QUALIFIED TO RUN A COMPANY CREATIVELY. MY OPINION.

I hope that clears it up for you. The fact that people like his comics and he sells a crap load of comics is not enough to say someone is qualified to oversee the whole creative process of a comic book company. IN MY OPINION.

By your "standards" Mark Millar should be the next EIC at Marvel.

 

[Darthphere]

I would consider major comic book review sites such as IGN, Newsarama, CBR, etc. giving most of Johns' work positive reviews to be critical praise.

You would consider those sites legitimate critical venues? I guess you read Aintitcool for movie reviews.

IN MY OPINION.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

That's just silly, everyone knows when Quesada steps down Bendis or Loeb (god help us if it's Loeb, he's worse than Bendis IMO) will step up.

 

[Darthphere]

That's just silly, everyone knows when Quesada steps down Bendis or Loeb (god help us if it's Loeb, he's worse than Bendis IMO) will step up.

I'm trying to prove a point or something. I forgot, HH is giving me an aneurysm.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Loeb being in charge of Marvel might cause me to cut back on their comics, which would be kind of cool.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I see Loeb taking over Marvel after Quesada.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

I see Loeb taking over Marvel after Quesada.

Don't say THAT. Just DON'T.