JLA: do you want it or not?

What do you want?

  • YES...Miller's JLA with Cast

  • NO...Drop the project completely

  • Change Director

  • Change cast

  • Clean Slate--still want a JLA movie, just not this one

  • Wait for all solo flicks to finish


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Clean slate. With the success of Marvel's intergrated universe, they should do the same, casting Bale and Routh and recasting for the other roles. That way you feel like everything fits like pieces in a puzzle.
 
Yea most wish dc/wb would be more like marvel but they just dont know what to do when it comes to their comics properties.
 
IMHO, a flash movie could work.A wonderwoman has potential too. Once the WW and Flash done (or one of them at least!!), let's ride on the JL. :up:
 
-NO...Drop [this current project] completely, and start over.
-Change cast.
-Clean Slate--still want a JLA movie, just not this one.

Well said.

Bring Brandon Routh and Christian Bale to JLA!
 
Yea most wish dc/wb would be more like marvel but they just dont know what to do when it comes to their comics properties.

They don't seem to care enough about the properties to research them to avoid this problem, either.

Talking to comic creators who have actually proven they can make these characters work is another idea they keep putting off. If they want to make a movie about a soldier they get a military expert if they want to make a Wonder Woman movie they need a WW expert. Someone like Gail Simone, George Perez or Greg Rucka would be fine asking Linda Carter or the people who made Super Friends or the old WW tv show is out of the question.

Thankfully this turning around with Snyder and Nolan but they're still the exception.

And that's with properties WB knows about.

I doubt they have the faintest clue who Kate Spencer Manhunter, Jamie Reyes Blue Beetle or Etrigan the Demon are.
 
They don't seem to care enough about the properties to research them to avoid this problem, either.

Talking to comic creators who have actually proven they can make these characters work is another idea they keep putting off. If they want to make a movie about a soldier they get a military expert if they want to make a Wonder Woman movie they need a WW expert. Someone like Gail Simone, George Perez or Greg Rucka would be fine asking Linda Carter or the people who made Super Friends or the old WW tv show is out of the question.

Thankfully this turning around with Snyder and Nolan but they're still the exception...

Who said they weren't? Also "Super Friends" and the "Wonder Woman" TV series are all part of the character's mythos and viewers of that would also be part of the target audience for such a film if it ever were to be made. I don't think a lot of the audience would even know who Simone, Perez, Rucka, or even Jimenez are. In fact, names like Asimov, Chrighton, David, Foster, and King are even more remarkable.

...And that's with properties WB knows about.

I doubt they have the faintest clue who Kate Spencer Manhunter, Jamie Reyes Blue Beetle or Etrigan the Demon is.

These characters wouldn't likely sell on film (at least in solo movies) due to their popularity in the comics. I don't think the studios are really concerned about who character may be in particular. They are more concerned with their marketability and whether their story will net a return on investment for a film.
 
Who said they weren't? Also "Super Friends" and the "Wonder Woman" TV series are all part of the character's mythos and viewers of that would also be part of the target audience for such a film if it ever were to be made.

Of course they can be part of the target audience but WW can be far beyond that.

The franchise has matured past those versions. Which are no longer relevant in the current era.

They're not even the source material at all. They're dumbed down versions whose day in the sun are over. Time to move on.

It would be like Nolan using Adam West's Batman as the source of movies.

I don't think a lot of the audience would even know who Simone, Perez, Rucka, or even Jimenez are.

The audience doesn't need to know who they are but the people making WW do.

Its up to the film makers to know the property inside and out to reach its potential. They won't do that unless they talk to or read what these people have done to the franchise in the comics.

They certainly won't make it relevant by making new stuff up (that's how we got Catwoman) or relying on irrelevant versions which don't fit in this era.

The comics have done all the hard work for them. May as well use the material.

In fact, names like Asimov, Chrighton, David, Foster, and King are even more remarkable.

Those names, while popular, have no bearing on WW. I didn't pick those names at random.

These characters wouldn't likely sell on film (at least in solo movies) due to their popularity in the comics.

Etrigan the Demon = medieval knight bonded to a demonic being for eternity as punishment for betraying King Arthur

Manhunter = hard as nails prosecutor who became a super-hero to stop super-villains who weren't punished by the law

Blue Beetle = young kid bonded to an alien artifact to save humanity from the alien race who created it

Watch "The Demon Within" from Batman:TAS and the JLU episode "A Knight of Shadows" to see his potential in animation. The Demon can be updated into a scary monster easily with special effects and a good designer.

Popularity in comics doesn't mean anything. Hellboy has never been popular in the comics or Blade yet still made successful films. Sin City, American Splendor, Ghost World, 300 and Iron Man are in the same boat.

These three are only the tip of the ice berg with DC. They have literally hundreds of thousands of these properties. A lot of them guest-starred on JLU.
I don't think the studios are really concerned about who character may be in particular. They are more concerned with their marketability and whether their story will net a return on investment for a film.

They need to actually know a property exists before they know if they can market it or not. Taking a quick glance at wiki isn't going to cut it, either. They should have to do actual research before knowing something is marketable or good enough to warrant a tv show/cartoon/movie.

They don't need to do everything at once. They could build a franchise up over time in various mediums starting with a cartoon (The Demon has already appeared in JLU and Batman The Animated Series) and a tv show years later until they've got the public familiar enough with the property before making a film. They have been doing some good building with Legion & Teen Titans in cartoons but right now both franchises aren't doing anything for WB at all, just like WW.

The three listed could easily become animated movies, live action films, live action tv shows and cartoons. Manhunter and Demon would be suited to a HBO treatment like Spawn. Blue Beetle would be easy to make into an all ages cartoon since they have Ben 10 as a template.

Exactly what does a franchise have to do for WB to consider it worthy enough to net a return investment?
 
Of course they can be part of the target audience but WW can be far beyond that.

The franchise has matured past those versions. Which are no longer relevant in the current era.

They're not even the source material at all. They're dumbed down versions whose day in the sun are over. Time to move on.

It would be like Nolan using Adam West's Batman as the source of movies.



The audience doesn't need to know who they are but the people making WW do.

Its up to the film makers to know the property inside and out to reach its potential. They won't do that unless they talk to or read what these people have done to the franchise in the comics.

They certainly won't make it relevant by making new stuff up (that's how we got Catwoman) or relying on irrelevant versions which don't fit in this era.

The comics have done all the hard work for them. May as well use the material.



Those names, while popular, have no bearing on WW. I didn't pick those names at random.



Etrigan the Demon = medieval knight bonded to a demonic being for eternity as punishment for betraying King Arthur

Manhunter = hard as nails prosecutor who became a super-hero to stop super-villains who weren't punished by the law

Blue Beetle = young kid bonded to an alien artifact to save humanity from the alien race who created it

Watch "The Demon Within" from Batman:TAS and the JLU episode "A Knight of Shadows" to see his potential in animation. The Demon can be updated into a scary monster easily with special effects and a good designer.

Popularity in comics doesn't mean anything. Hellboy has never been popular in the comics or Blade yet still made successful films. Sin City, American Splendor, Ghost World, 300 and Iron Man are in the same boat.



They need to actually know a property exists before they know if they can market it or not. Taking a quick glance at wiki isn't going to cut it, either. They should have to do actual research before knowing something is marketable or good enough to warrant a tv show/cartoon/movie.

They don't need to do everything at once. They could build a franchise up over time in various mediums starting with a cartoon (The Demon has already appeared in JLU and Batman The Animated Series) and a tv show years later until they've got the public familiar enough with the property before making a film. They have been doing some good building with Legion & Teen Titans in cartoons but right now both franchises aren't doing anything for WB at all, just like WW.

The three listed could easily become animated movies, live action films, live action tv shows and cartoons. Manhunter and Demon would be suited to a HBO treatment like Spawn. Blue Beetle would be easy since they have Ben 10 as a template.

Exactly what does a franchise have to do for WB to consider it worthy enough to net a return investment?
Great post man. I agree with what u are saying.
 
I'm in favor of a new cast, get a clean slate (or get established writers rather than a pair of unknowns), and wait for the solo flicks to be finished.

I would like to keep the director and retain the actors from the solo flicks, rather than a fresh slate. It'd help establish credibility between the separate franchises and a potential tentpole of JLM.
 
Yes that would be nice if that happen. But we all know we have a short widow of time for superman if come 2013 shuster's heir gets wb/dc's 50% copyright share. So if that happens wb/dc looses superman and cant do movies/games/cartoons/comics/etc.... Unless by chance a deal is worked out between the families and wb/dc to continue using the character. Now that would be nice if that was to happen. We all talked about this before if SR was a better film we could have had all this happening after solo films were done with supes and bats.
 
Unless they cut a deal with the Seigels and Shusters.
 
You know, I've got this strange feeling that "The Dark Knight" has a good chance of out doing "Iron Man" and "The Incredible Hulk" and "Indiana Jones" this summer.
 
Yeah... all the more reason NOT to make a JL film right now. As far as we know, the solo GL film is probably closer than JLM to getting the greenlight (barring casting and aborted set construction for the latter). Plus GL would be a far better 2009 tentpole for WB than JLM or the live-action Akira.

Plus, it'd be a lot less expensive than JLM in terms of certain kinds of visual effects and booking f/x houses.
 
well if would kinda be impossible for gl or even that flash film to be summer tentpole for 09 since there is no final script, no cast, no set, no filming so unless u want a quick 4-5month filmed and edited and all that film that would be a bad thing to do for them. At most we are looking at 10 for any sc films from happening if they could start production end of this year or early next year.
 
I want this movie to happen. I think it could be great. I don't see the point in waiting for Solo movies when the superman solo's status isn't certain and we have a batman that may not be on board for JLA anyway. Add that to DC and WB's lack of incentive to get any other superhero movies off the ground and yes I want this movie.
 
I want this movie to happen. I think it could be great. I don't see the point in waiting for Solo movies when the superman solo's status isn't certain and we have a batman that may not be on board for JLA anyway.

WB's track record of non-Superman and Batman solo movies isn't great. Now Marvel's around maybe this will give them the kick in the pants needed to do better movies next time.

Hopefully Watchmen and the WW animated film do well.

Add that to DC and WB's lack of incentive to get any other superhero movies off the ground

Unfortunately this doesn't seem like it's going to change soon. :(

and yes I want this movie.

I'd rather wait until they're ready to make a great JL film that is the best they can and I just don't think they are there yet. It is vital JL do well. It's a franchise they can't make mistakes with.

If it fails every franchise, except Batman and Superman, will be dead in the water before they ever got solo movies of their own to WB since they don't seem to have the faith Marvel does in their properties.

That's a risk I'd rather avoid.
 
yea at this stage if jla was a crappy film and bombs it kills all other solo films for the forseeable future. Hopefully if they decide to give jla another go they get it moving in the right direction which should be an epic action film and not be a standard run of the mill stupid popcorn flick kind of a film.
 
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