Jms On Thor: Nooo!!

[TheCorpulent1]

Nah, I think at this point he'd take Tony to task for being such an absolute *****ebag. He'd probably look at the whole thing as the squabbling of infants and expect better of Cap and Iron Man, but in the end Iron Man's really been the instigator in just about everything that's gone wrong so far.

 

[Darthphere]

JMS on Thor is like PMS on me.

 

[The Question]

Nah, I think at this point he'd take Tony to task for being such an absolute *****ebag. He'd probably look at the whole thing as the squabbling of infants and expect better of Cap and Iron Man, but in the end Iron Man's really been the instigator in just about everything that's gone wrong so far.

True. But I still think he'd be highly dissapointed in Cap. Steve was one of the few humans Thor actually admired.

 

[Miss Webb]

I've never been a fan of that idea. It diminishes the gods too much for my liking.

Agreed. What's the point? It just makes the Asgardians lame compared to the other pantheons...they'd be weaker and not as impressive. Thats what happened to Brunhilde when she was trapped in Barbara Norris body. A shell of what she really was. When she returned to her real body she was ten times more powerful and had all her memories intact.

I don't dig the floating over earth bit either. Why do the Asgardians always have to be 'lowered'? None of the other pantheons are. Its getting dumb. And making thor blake is a huge step backward. WE'VE DONE THAT BIT ALREADY. There's nowhere to go with it. UNLESS Thor just chooses to take blake's form as an illusion. That would be okay, but NO MORTAL/GOD mixing. Enough!

 

[The Question]

Agreed. What's the point? It just makes the Asgardians lame compared to the other pantheons...they'd be weaker and not as impressive. Thats what happened to Brunhilde when she was trapped in Barbara Norris body. A shell of what she really was. When she returned to her real body she was ten times more powerful and had all her memories intact.

As I said, I didn't mean for them to be permanently depowered. I'd expect that is this were the scenario that happens, they'd regain full power shortly after regaining their memories.

I don't dig the floating over earth bit either. Why do the Asgardians always have to be 'lowered'? None of the other pantheons are. Its getting dumb.

I really don't see how it's lowering them. Technically, Asgard always floated over Earth, but just out of sync with our dimension.

 

[Xofenroht]

Anyone else think JMS might make Asgard some sort of sanctuary aswell? For people like Steve Rogers and such?

 

[Zeu]

Why Oklahoma?

Do people even live there?

<- ducks

 

[Ahura Mazda]

My question is where does Asgard comes from, and the other Asgardians. Odin was the father of most of the Gods, and considering how the last Thor saga ended, Thor should now create the others.

Given all that how can DB now be Thor unless Rune Thor created him. What are they doing recreating the whole story line?

And lets not forget that thor brought Asgard over New York when he decided he would take control of the Earth......New York was appropriate...so what is he doing now bring it over Oklahoma...some plans on a musical maybe

 

[Still A ThorFan]

No, no, no, It's confirmed on Newsarama here that Millar wanted to use Thor proper but couldn't BECAUSE HE HAS A NEW SERIES SOON and so he came up with the whole clone army thing.
Here's the link. Use it. Obey me.
http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/CivilWar/WarRoom/04/CWroom04.html

And you should really read Amazing Spider-Man "Coming Home" by JMS and JRjr. It's incredible.

Well, at least I got my Clor, I mean Thor back.

 

[Xofenroht]

Is this a strange coincidence or has JMS been set to have some involvement in Thor for some time now? Loki was included in a stand alone issue of AMS (either JMS wrote it himself or he collaborated with another writer). That's where Pete gained that favor owed to him by Loki. Then Asgard falls, Loki's oath (did he even take an oath to Pete) still stands and here we have it now JMS is writing F4 in which he uses to resurrect Thor. NOW...JMS is writing the new Thor ongoing aswell. What I think is that JMS will someday have Pete take advantage of that favor Loki owes him.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I think JMS is just a Thor fan who happened to be in the right place at the right time. He's a big name within Marvel now, and the Marvel higher-ups were planning to bring Thor back sooner or later anyway, so why not put the two of them together? JMS is happy because he gets to write a character he likes and Marvel is happy because JMS and Coipel's names will probably garner a lot of interest in Thor, who's historically suffered from a lack of mainstream interest.

 

[Darthphere]

I think JMS is just a Thor fan who happened to be in the right place at the right time. He's a big name within Marvel now, and the Marvel higher-ups were planning to bring Thor back sooner or later anyway, so why not put the two of them together? JMS is happy because he gets to write a character he likes and Marvel is happy because JMS and Coipel's names will probably garner a lot of interest in Thor, who's historically suffered from a lack of mainstream interest.

Well lets be optimistic here, he is working off an idea developed by Neil Gaiman. JMS is no Gaiman, but the idea cant be that bad. I hope.

 

[Red]

Yeah, the series looks like it'll follow the real Thor. Frankly, I'm glad Millar couldn't get his grubby mitts on the real Thor for CW. Everything he said about Thor when he was attached to write the aborted earlier revival makes me glad he'll probably never get to touch the real Thor.

What exactly was Millar's idea for Thor again?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Well lets be optimistic here, he is working off an idea developed by Neil Gaiman. JMS is no Gaiman, but the idea cant be that bad. I hope.

Kind of hard to be optimistic when it's been said on numerous occasions that Gaiman's idea was the "teens in Iowa" idea. I love Gaiman and all, but Thor is the one thing I'm glad he never got to touch.

 

[Darthphere]

Kind of hard to be optimistic when it's been said on numerous occasions that Gaiman's idea was the "teens in Iowa" idea. I love Gaiman and all, but Thor is the one thing I'm glad he never got to touch.

But this seems to be the same pitch, except for the teens in Iowa thing removed, and we moved to Oklahoma. And I never judged the pitch since we never got to find out what exactly these teens were going to do.

 

[The Question]

Exactly. I always hoped that the "Teens in Iowa" thing would have followed my prediction of the Asgardians being reborn as humans. Once they regained their memories of Asgard, they'd be back to full power and kicking ass very quickly.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The idea of Thor being associated with teenagers just doesn't work for me on any level. Even when Tarene (whom I still refuse to call "Thor Girl") was around, I liked that Thor got kind of a sidekick/family member but I hated that she was masquerading as some ditzy teen in high school. So, really, having the "teens in Iowa" (or anywhere else) removed is really all I needed to see. So long as the title refers to the Thor I know and love, I'll swallow anything else for a few arcs, at least. I don't want to see anyone else masquerading as Thor or Thor with his memories suppressed or anything like that. I want the Thor I've followed for years back in action.

 

[Darthphere]

Exactly. I always hoped that the "Teens in Iowa" thing would have followed my prediction of the Asgardians being reborn as humans. Once they regained their memories of Asgard, they'd be back to full power and kicking ass very quickly.

Yeah, and seriously, Gaiman wouldve been the only one to pull that off, but im glad theyre not teens.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't know if Gaiman could've pulled it off, even. As much as I love what he did with the Sandman, I wouldn't want a total reimagining of the Thor mythos like that, from Gaiman or anyone else.

 

[Darthphere]

The idea of Thor being associated with teenagers just doesn't work for me on any level. Even when Tarene (whom I still refuse to call "Thor Girl") was around, I liked that Thor got kind of a sidekick/family member but I hated that she was masquerading as some ditzy teen in high school. So, really, having the "teens in Iowa" (or anywhere else) removed is really all I needed to see. So long as the title refers to the Thor I know and love, I'll swallow anything else for a few arcs, at least. I don't want to see anyone else masquerading as Thor or Thor with his memories suppressed or anything like that. I want the Thor I've followed for years back in action.

But this is Marvel, youre going to get at least an arc or two about how Thor becomes Thor while he live in a ****ed up aprtment drinking beer all day.

 

[Darthphere]

I don't know if Gaiman could've pulled it off, even. As much as I love what he did with the Sandman, I wouldn't want a total reimagining of the Thor mythos like that, from Gaiman or anyone else.

Youre getting it anyway with JMS, JMS or Gaiman? Ill pick Gaiman. I think youre missing the point here Corp.

 

[The Question]

Youre getting it anyway with JMS, JMS or Gaiman? Ill pick Gaiman. I think youre missing the point here Corp.

Plus. Gaiman absolutely adores Norse Mythology and the old Lee/Kirby era of comics. There's no way he'd consciously disrespect Thor and co. Way I see it, the Asgardians would have been in human form, and then rediscovered their godhood, prompting them to go on a quest to find Thor, who, from the way it was described to me, probably would have been the last to re-awaken.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Youre getting it anyway with JMS, JMS or Gaiman? Ill pick Gaiman. I think youre missing the point here Corp.

There's nothing to indicate that JMS is still running with that idea. From the interviews I've read, it seems like he's modeling his run almost entirely on the early Lee/Kirby stories, which stressed the superhero/secret ID aspects of Thor's character. He's mentioned nothing of teens or anyone other than Thor being Thor.

 

[Darthphere]

There's nothing to indicate that JMS is still running with that idea. From the interviews I've read, it seems like he's modeling his run almost entirely on the early Lee/Kirby stories, which stressed the superhero/secret ID aspects of Thor's character. He's mentioned nothing of teens or anyone other than Thor being Thor.

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=83671

NRAMA: You briefly mentioned Neil Gaiman’s “teen” take on Thor, which Wizard detailed in their Thor news story of a couple of years back. That involved a new group of teens finding Asgardian artifacts at that Mid-West research facility and taking up the mantle of the gods. The Mid-West research facility part proved accurate, but just to set the record straight, from all your comments your concept breaks from that at that point and will present a more familiar take on the concepts and characters, correct?

JMS: I don't know if familiar is the word I'd use, but they ain't teens, that's for sure.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, and? We know that the Mid-West will be involved and we know that the gods aren't going to be teens. I don't think any of us know enough to speculate with any accuracy about what that "I don't know if familiar is the word I'd use" bit. Right now I'm desperately clinging to the hope that the new Thor series will be good. If it is, I'll laugh at you and possibly make lewd gestures. If it's not, I'll drop it and rant about how Marvel sucks. You know, same old, same old.