Joker 'JOKER: FOLIE À DEUX' (Phillips and Phoenix return for the sequel) General News & Discussion Thread

[Captain Tired]

I've a feeling that most people on the last page are forever looking for the keymaster.

 

[blueharvest]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1794021341575672220

 

[Hobgoblin]

Unpopular opinion: Ledger played the better villain but Phoenix played a more interesting character. Ledger gets so much fawning adoration that it’s turned me off.

 

[Gothamsknight]

Unpopular opinion: Ledger played the better villain but Phoenix played a more interesting character. Ledger gets so much fawning adoration that it’s turned me off.

I mean, fawning adoration doesn't change the fact that it was one of the greatest performances ever.

 

[The Joker]

I don't say it about many performances in CBMs, but his deserves all the adoration.

 

[Babillygunn]

If being a contrarian paid money, I’d be a Rockerfeller. But even I think Ledger’s Joker deserves every bit of the praise that comes his way.

 

[dhandler01]

I watched TDK a few weeks for the first time in years...Ledger is still great and while I love Arthur Fleck Joker it's not in the same league.

 

[Hobgoblin]

Yeah, pretty much the reaction I expected. 😛

 

[Black Narcissus]

I watched TDK a few weeks for the first time in years...Ledger is still great and while I love Arthur Fleck Joker it's not in the same league.

I can’t rewatch TDK in full now. I’ve seen it too many times, but every now and then I always rewatch Ledger’s performance. Masterful as ever. Bale’s Batman and voice has aged like milk to me, but those kinds of truths ain’t welcome here.

 

[Filmfreak]

I mean, complaining about Bale's Batman voice is probably one of the least hot takes ever but ok.

 

[Arachnerd]

I would say it's downright frosty.

 

[Lily Adler]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1794021341575672220

Code for my version doesn't resemble the comic character, but it's mine.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Sure, but he just really became the least interesting and favorite part of said flicks for me, excluding BB. Hearing his voice triggers some kind of ptsd to my ears tho, sweet Jesus, but that we going in circles at this point.

 

[Captain Tired]

Unpopular opinion: Ledger played the better villain but Phoenix played a more interesting character. Ledger gets so much fawning adoration that it’s turned me off.

Ledger is the overplayed rock song on your dad's favourite radio station

 

[Hobgoblin]

Ledger is the overplayed rock song on your dad's favourite radio station

Bingo. It’s not that he isn’t fantastic, it’s just played out.

 

[dhandler01]

Played out? He did it once...

 

[J.Drangal]

Ledger is the overplayed rock song on your dad's favourite radio station

... that we end up rediscovering years later, understanding why it's a classic?

More seriously, I really like Ledger in the role from the day the first TDK trailer came out, but I don't consider it the definitive version... because I actually don't think there's such things with malleable characters like the Joker. That's also why I've been annoyed more than once by the way this version is always brought up at every opportunity to dismiss other takes...
I mean, from my point of view, we can be very happy that the Joker is treated relatively well in the cinema, with a wide variety of proposals.
And I actually think there are still some other aspects waiting to be explored.

 

[dhandler01]

The point of the Joker is all versions are definitive, and yet none are.

When Waid did origins for all the characters The Joker was done in such a way even he didn't know. The Jojer mentions the 3 best known but never acknowledges which is correct...cause they all could be.

 

[Matt.S99]

That role is also Ledger’s shining moment and literally his legacy in pop culture. Yes, people do talk about it a lot, but I do think it’s well deserved. He left such a mark in pop culture that it’s understandable why it is so “over hyped”

 

[Lily Adler]

Heath Ledger's Joker:

 

[squeekness]

If being a contrarian paid money, I’d be a Rockerfeller. But even I think Ledger’s Joker deserves every bit of the praise that comes his way.

He should have gotten an Oscar for it and not just because he died

 

[Matt.S99]

That role changed how everyone has approached villainous characters in pretty much all media. That whole film had such an impact, we may not see anything with that much power for a long time. I can’t even think of a film after TDK that has had such influence on every aspect of the film/tv/storytelling industry.

 

[GreenKToo]

Unpopular opinion. I didn't care for the joker film.
He didn't come off as some super smart sociopath that could go toe to toe with even the likes of a Adam West Batman.
Now, as a film about some random dudes fall into psychotic behavior, it's fine, but as a film called the joker, it's not.

 

[Boom]

Phoenix's performance is the only reason Joker is worth watching. It's otherwise an extremely mediocre, unoriginal film without anything to say in particular. Personally, I've not revisited it since 2019.

 

[Gothamsknight]

I've gone back and forth about how i feel about the first Joker film. Surprisingly, I think this being a musical may actually end up being a good thing.