Joker: powers?

[Roughneck]

So I've been thinking of this for a long time, and it's been bugging me.....Don't get me wrong, I love the fact that Joker is Batman's greatest for despite him barely being a challange to Bats on a physical level.

But I think Joker should get some kind of powers, lord knows in the DCU there are probably hundreds of ways for a guy to aquire super powers. Now I understand that Someone like Luthor or some other bad guys who can give power sure as hell wouldn't give anything to the Joker....Cause he's way way way nuts.

But I was still thinking that the Joker is a resoucefull guy when he really puts his mind to it. He could get powers, Joker could probably just go on the web and learn magic......Anyway what I was really thinking was this.

Ralph Dibney appears to be out of the super hero picture for now, and Gingold is up for grabs, I know it didn't just work on Dibney. So I am proposng that joker get his hands on some Gingold, no one else is really using it, and I think that Stretchy powers would work perfectly for Joker's personality, he coul really have some fun with it.

Does anyone else think that this is a Decent idea? Gingold or just powers in general for the Joker.

 

[The Question]

Joker could probably just go on the web and learn magic.

While magic does require atmosphere and a certain flair for the dramatic, which is Mr. J's niche, it also requires patience and mental clarity. The Joker would find it rather boring in the long run.

 

[batnkevlar]

Hmm, Joker with powers would be like giving Batman powers... although it might be a cool story idea about the magic... maybe if Joker got a miniseries...

 

[blud_knight]

joker used to be a physical threat too. He was turned into the pencil thin joker we know in the 70's i believe. I think he should just hit the gym.

 

[Hades]

Joker should be a meth addict.

Totally. Then Batman takes the Joker aside with all his friends and family and he'll be like "YOU HAVE A PROBLEM" boy those suck

what are they called agian? But then he refuses proper treatment and Batman and the Joker decide to go on Doctor Phil, and Doctor Phill blames Batman for all of Jokers problems. I want to see that.

Oooooh...Batman could get arrested for abuse, and then Joker gets taken to Foster Care. And then at the end we find out that the Joker is really RObin, but is also Batman. It will be the Fightclub of comics.

 

[batnkevlar]

It's called an intervention...

 

[Not Jake]

The fact that Batman's greatest rogues are just insane human beings is the only thing that's keeping him from becoming a full-fleged totally gay Justice League superstar mighty powers hero.

 

[Tropico]

Does anyone else think that this is a Decent idea? Gingold or just powers in general for the Joker.

No.

 

[WompuM]

Go read Emperor Joker.

 

[Doc Destruction]

Yeah, he's had powers from time to time. In fact, once I think he DID get bored with powers.

 

[Darthphere]

God, this is possibly the dumbest idea ever.

 

[BrianWilly]

If Joker tried to use magic, the dark forces he'd try to channel would probably just overwhelm and annihilate him instantly. There's always a price.

Wouldn't that be a laugh, though?

 

[The Question]

If Joker tried to use magic, the dark forces he'd try to channel would probably just overwhelm and annihilate him instantly. There's always a price.

Wouldn't that be a laugh, though?

You know, I have noticed that 52 has been portraying magic a bit differently than how it's been done in the DCU in the past. But in any event, the main thing is that magic takes a kind of focus and mental clarity that The Joker just doesn't feel like wasting his time on.

 

[BrianWilly]

Well, Tenth Age and all that.

Michael Moorcock supposedly wrote some sort of magic bible for the DCU that outlines all the rules you would ever need to know about it, but I have yet to see anything like that.

Until further notice, I always just treat Neil Gaiman's word as the definitive word. In other words, anyone who treats magic as an easy way to get anything is going to be in for a fun time getting eaten by a goat or something. I never got the sense that basic spells were really that difficult to cast. It's the consequences that you'd have to worry about.

 

[The Question]

Well, Tenth Age and all that.

Michael Moorcock supposedly wrote some sort of magic bible for the DCU that outlines all the rules you would ever need to know about it, but I have yet to see anything like that.

Until further notice, I always just treat Neil Gaiman's word as the definitive word. In other words, anyone who treats magic as an easy way to get anything is going to be in for a fun time getting eaten by a goat or something. I never got the sense that basic spells were really that difficult to cast. It's the consequences that you'd have to worry about.

But I never saw any of this "magic always has consiquences" stuff until 52. Maybe I was just reading the wrong stuff. And I also remember Gaiman's take on magic being very different.

 

[WompuM]

God, this is possibly the dumbest idea ever.

I think there are much dumber ideas over on smallville boards, such as chloe being black canary or clark using hypnotism.

 

[BrianWilly]

But I never saw any of this "magic always has consiquences" stuff until 52. Maybe I was just reading the wrong stuff. And I also remember Gaiman's take on magic being very different.

Well, the canon explanation is that the world of magic had sort of drifted away from that thinking over past years and that's why it paid the price that it did.

But you can look at it textually, too; a lot of magical characters in the DCU have paid heavy prices for their power. Zatanna got wrapped up in mindwipes and the loss of her family as a result of her heritage. Tempest had to watch the love of his life die twice in order to reach his potential. Billy Batson had to forsake a normal childhood, not to mention Star Girl, because of the Wisdom of Solomon. And I don't even think we need to mention what the numerous Dr. Fates have had to sacrifice. A lot of superheroes have experienced losses for their lot in life, but you'd be hard-pressed to find any magical character -- any -- that haven't had to pay a price specifically because of their magic. The rule was always in effect, imo, it's just that no one bothered to notice it until recently.

Gaiman wrote magic like anyone who picked up a moly and waved it would probably draw the attention of a demon or a faerie or something. Basic magic -- low magic, for lack of a better term -- was everywhere in his books. Not like, people shooting fireballs and teleporting or something. Yeah, if you wanted to be a mage, then it's going to take a lot more work and focus. But just to touch magic just requires belief.

And in the original Books of Magic, everyone kept going on and on about "It's got a PRIIIIIIIIICE~!" and "Don't take what they're offering! It's not worth the cost!!" so much that Tim was always reiterating it was foremost thing he learned. I remember 'cause when they first spewed that "it's got a price" slogan in 52, at first I thought that they were specifically referring this series. Now, I'm not so sure.

 

[The Question]

Yeah, I see what you mean. Though, I'd personally describe it as more of a monkey's paw scenario: You'll get what you want, but unless your especially careful about the wording, the ramifications aren't always what youd expect.

 

[batnkevlar]

Hehe, Monkey's Paw... we read it in class like in 7th grade...

 

[Darthphere]

I think there are much dumber ideas over on smallville boards, such as chloe being black canary or clark using hypnotism.

Oh dear god.

 

[BrianWilly]

Yeah, I see what you mean. Though, I'd personally describe it as more of a monkey's paw scenario: You'll get what you want, but unless your especially careful about the wording, the ramifications aren't always what youd expect.

Exactly. And the good (good like "talented," not like "good vs evil") mages are the ones who know how to get what they want by wording it right and working through the proper channels.

 

[Roughneck]

Go read Emperor Joker.

I did...that's what inspired the idea....the universe altering powers were a little too much.

I think Something smaller like stretchy skin would be better.

 

[Roughneck]

Go read Emperor Joker.

I did...that's what inspired the idea....the universe altering powers were a little too much.

I think Something smaller like stretchy skin would be better.

 

[FEAR THE BAT]

God, this is possibly the dumbest idea ever.

HAH!!