The Dark Knight Joker Scars: Accidental; self inflicted?

[Eggyman]

All it takes is one bad day

 

[Jrinu]

I for one, personally really really hope that the scars are self-inflicted. For them to happen by accident and come out that perfectly, just seems a little too ridiculous to me.

A theory behind his appearance that a friend of mine and I came up with, is perhaps he is a result of the fear toxin released on the narrows in the first film. One villain creating another? It's happened before.

I can't say for sure, but whenever I consider the possibility of his scars being accidental, I picture him falling and hitting his mouth something... or whatever... It just seems stupid.

I like the idea of him doing it to himself. It makes him seem much more like the crazy insane Joker that I am highly anticipating from this film.

Although, I did have a dream once where Jack Nicholson grabbed Heath Ledger by the neck and forcibly cut his mouth open. Someone (not Jack Nicholson of course) doing that to him, would also be very cool.

 

[AidanJames]

Ahaha, I posted a few posts after you popsted this and pretty much said the SAME EXACT thing! and I didnt even read your post until now!

it was exact down to the "two cents"

Nice to see we are on the same wavelength!

Cheers

 

[bassturd]

I for one, personally really really hope that the scars are self-inflicted. For them to happen by accident and come out that perfectly, just seems a little too ridiculous to me.

A theory behind his appearance that a friend of mine and I came up with, is perhaps he is a result of the fear toxin released on the narrows in the first film. One villain creating another? It's happened before.

I can't say for sure, but whenever I consider the possibility of his scars being accidental, I picture him falling and hitting his mouth something... or whatever... It just seems stupid.

I like the idea of him doing it to himself. It makes him seem much more like the crazy insane Joker that I am highly anticipating from this film.

Although, I did have a dream once where Jack Nicholson grabbed Heath Ledger by the neck and forcibly cut his mouth open. Someone (not Jack Nicholson of course) doing that to him, would also be very cool.

except his mouth isn't cut at all. I don't get why people can't see this. His cheeks have holes thru them. His bottom lip looks disfigured a bit but most the of damage is in his cheeks and not connected to his mouth at all. Why I assumed that maybe he took a bullet thru the cheeks considering his left side seems worse than his right (which would make sense if a bullet entered his right cheek and busted out his left cheek). It's a complete guess but it is obvious, espcially from the pic where he has no makeup on, that the wounds are not connected to his lips.

I thought Christopher Nolan said we aren't gonna get any origin story of the Joker tho. And if that is the case are we even gonna be shown how he gets his faced messed up? Or are we just gonna leave that to our own minds which makes him even creepier and more mysterious IMO. Just let him be there causing bad stuff to happen and as that goes on give us the origin of Harvey Dent which is better to be explained then not unlike the Joker.

 

[mattyt81]

except his mouth isn't cut at all. I don't get why people can't see this. His cheeks have holes thru them. His bottom lip looks disfigured a bit but most the of damage is in his cheeks and not connected to his mouth at all. Why I assumed that maybe he took a bullet thru the cheeks considering his left side seems worse than his right (which would make sense if a bullet entered his right cheek and busted out his left cheek). It's a complete guess but it is obvious, espcially from the pic where he has no makeup on, that the wounds are not connected to his lips.

I thought Christopher Nolan said we aren't gonna get any origin story of the Joker tho. And if that is the case are we even gonna be shown how he gets his faced messed up? Or are we just gonna leave that to our own minds which makes him even creepier and more mysterious IMO. Just let him be there causing bad stuff to happen and as that goes on give us the origin of Harvey Dent which is better to be explained then not unlike the Joker.

in the pic of him with no makeup on, the wound looks like it does have a scar that goes right to the corner of his mouth (IMO)

 

[hegele]

it is completely ambiguous from a filmgoing perspective.

 

[Marx]

except his mouth isn't cut at all. I don't get why people can't see this. His cheeks have holes thru them. His bottom lip looks disfigured a bit but most the of damage is in his cheeks and not connected to his mouth at all. Why I assumed that maybe he took a bullet thru the cheeks considering his left side seems worse than his right (which would make sense if a bullet entered his right cheek and busted out his left cheek). It's a complete guess but it is obvious, espcially from the pic where he has no makeup on, that the wounds are not connected to his lips.

I thought Christopher Nolan said we aren't gonna get any origin story of the Joker tho. And if that is the case are we even gonna be shown how he gets his faced messed up? Or are we just gonna leave that to our own minds which makes him even creepier and more mysterious IMO. Just let him be there causing bad stuff to happen and as that goes on give us the origin of Harvey Dent which is better to be explained then not unlike the Joker.

Nolan has stated that the Joker is an absolute in the film. He will have no origin. To that end though, if Joker had been "shot through the mouth" he would have absolutely no teeth left as they would all be shattered!

 

[Crook]

And he'd be mumbling like 50 Cent.

 

[LegendaryCaleb]

And he'd be mumbling like 50 Cent.

and if he rapped like 50 Cent...

 

[-Crusher-]

in the pic of him with no makeup on, the wound looks like it does have a scar that goes right to the corner of his mouth (IMO)

also if you look at that cop pic you can see that his mouth is slightly enlongated.

 

[ih8nyy]

also if you look at that cop pic you can see that his mouth is slightly enlongated.

While the right side has more of a turned up smile aspect to it and the left side is more flat, with no up turn. Its an uneven "cut smile", which kind of seems like it wasn't self inflicted.

But I prefer to think of it as self inflicted. I think it adds to the mad man, that has COMPLETELY lost it angle of the character Nolan and Heath created for this motion picture.

 

[bassturd]

Nolan has stated that the Joker is an absolute in the film. He will have no origin. To that end though, if Joker had been "shot through the mouth" he would have absolutely no teeth left as they would all be shattered!

not completely true. I've watched this Crime 360 show and they have had a couple people that have gotten shot thru the mouth. Like...directly thru the front tho. They only get a couple teeth busted out.

But looking at the picture closer, I guess you can saw maybe it goes to his mouth but the scarring isn't as visible. I guess he could cut it and the scarring is at the cheek the most because that is where the skinned bunched up as he cut it.....

 

[bkey]

not completely true. I've watched this Crime 360 show and they have had a couple people that have gotten shot thru the mouth. Like...directly thru the front tho. They only get a couple teeth busted out.

But looking at the picture closer, I guess you can saw maybe it goes to his mouth but the scarring isn't as visible. I guess he could cut it and the scarring is at the cheek the most because that is where the skinned bunched up as he cut it.....

From looking at pictures of the Joker, it looks to me that his left cheek is a gunshot or some sort of "accidental" wound, while his right cheek has a much cleaner cut, almost like he intentionally cut himself.

 

[poostorm]

I assume we'll never see how the Joker's scars came to be. We will be left to our imagination to fill in the blanks. I don't see them as self-inflicted though. I would guess something more like the mob or some other psycho in an asylum as the cause of the wounds.

 

[Banquet]

except his mouth isn't cut at all. I don't get why people can't see this. His cheeks have holes thru them. His bottom lip looks disfigured a bit but most the of damage is in his cheeks and not connected to his mouth at all. Why I assumed that maybe he took a bullet thru the cheeks considering his left side seems worse than his right (which would make sense if a bullet entered his right cheek and busted out his left cheek). It's a complete guess but it is obvious, espcially from the pic where he has no makeup on, that the wounds are not connected to his lips.

The cop picture gave me that impression, too. It's looks like something went through, not slashed across.

 

[Sandouras]

I dont care about the origins of the scars. Self inflicted seems too contrived for me. I'd rather someone gave him the glascow smile which made him snap. Its not like they give you a half glascow smile or a double mac. Its full or none.

Other than that, i like the fact that its asymmetrical. Not only is it more interesting to look, but it matches the whole untidiness of the look, with the melting makeup and all. Its not like they take a ruler to carve you anyways!

 

[Sandouras]

The cop picture gave me that impression, too. It's looks like something went through, not slashed across.

From the "bleach or not to bleach" thread:

Battousai i think that the messy scar looks a lot like a badly stitched cut. I have had a small operation and those "bubbles" come from the stitching. The stitches go between them pulling the skin and the rest becomes like that. Sooner or later it heals and it just leaves a scar which affects the look of your skin but you cant feel the "bubbles".

And yeah, i agree with what you say on that quote. Dont know about the origins of the scars, but i agree with the rest

Besides, if something passed through we would have the 50 cent effect!

 

[Anjow1060]

If there are any real Ninja's around (and i mean the WB/54 ones). If they could please PM me about this whole planned thing I've ruined with the leaked pics I'd appreciate it.

I can't describe the depression i've come into from the guilt I'm feeling and I need to know the severity of what I've done.

- Jow

 

[SpiderWill]

It does look like it was a bullet hole or something and THEN he connected it the rest of his mouth (at least in the pic in to cop uniform) that line is too conviently placed.

In regards to that pic really quick, how ballsy is it to do what he's doing in that scene.

 

[Sandouras]

It does look like it was a bullet hole or something and THEN he connected it the rest of his mouth (at least in the pic in to cop uniform) that line is too conviently placed.

In regards to that pic really quick, how ballsy is it to do what he's doing in that scene.

ballsy, or crazy?

 

[Banquet]

From the "bleach or not to bleach" thread:



Besides, if something passed through we would have the 50 cent effect!

I didn't say it had to be a bullet. t: If you do look close at that picture (would it be ban-worthy if I posted a portion of the picture zoomed in?) then you can tell that his scar is not connected to his mouth, but stitched only around his cheek.

 

[Marx]

And he'd be mumbling like 50 Cent.

and if he rapped like 50 Cent...

not completely true. I've watched this Crime 360 show and they have had a couple people that have gotten shot thru the mouth. Like...directly thru the front tho. They only get a couple teeth busted out.

But looking at the picture closer, I guess you can saw maybe it goes to his mouth but the scarring isn't as visible. I guess he could cut it and the scarring is at the cheek the most because that is where the skinned bunched up as he cut it.....

I majored in Criminal Justice and Forensic Science. (Not that I am trying to toot my own horn...) but if you want to get technical it would depend on whether his mouth was open or closed. If his teeth were clinched he would have none left due to shattering. If his mouth were open, it would depend upon the angle in which the bullet entered his mouth.

Wow...am I really debating this? A man, who the director himself has said, will have no origin...therefore we will never know. I'm all for speculation but geez!

 

[SpiderWill]

ballsy, or crazy?

both I guess. Cause he ain't super and he's going ot be surrounded by cops (I assume). When I first heard about that scene I imagine him walking around with his hat kind of hinding is eyes and then a kid sees him and thinks its cool to see a cop and the Joker gives a creepy smile to the kid.

That probably won't be in there but a creepy vibe none the less.

 

[Banquet]

hmm... actually I'm on the fence again. It may look like a straight through infliction, but I doubt the Joker would be cutting people's faces unless that's how it happened to him... darn.

 

[Tony Stark]

To me it seems that you have a major change to the character if Batman isn't partially "responsible" for how the Joker appear the way he is.

If there is not personal connection between Batman and the Joker other than he's some homicidal maniac running around killing people, then to me Nolan ripped the heart out of these stories. Which is suprising considering how personal he made the conflict with Ras Al Ghul, from the first movie.

I get he doesn't want to do Nicholson Joker again, and I certainly don't blame him for that, just as Burton didn't want another Ceasar Romero version. But at the same time I think you need to keep the personal conflict between the characters the same.

You honestly could have had the chemical burn thing, without having him fully submerged.

The cut smile is just weak IMO. However I do like the idea of him cutting smiles in other people, much better than the "new and improved Joker products."