The Dark Knight Joker Scars: Accidental; self inflicted?

[TheLongestDay]

haha grossest thing ive ever heard,could be when Batman locks him in a room to go cold turkey and when he gets out hes clean-but madly obsessed with Batman over the whole affair

 

[A Dark Knight]

haha grossest thing ive ever heard,could be when Batman locks him in a room to go cold turkey and when he gets out hes clean-but madly obsessed with Batman over the whole affair

That would be interesting

 

[DV8]

to me, Joker always seemed like he'd be an insatiable cokehead . . . . could work; but heroin is a much more addictive and debilitating drug . . . then again, they could get away with making up some kind of drug; like a super-drug that mixed the two . . .

 

[CaptainClown]

I think if they went drug route I would want the drug to be like that red eye stuff in Cowboy Bebop that makes your sense really acute. Think of it as a mental alternative to Venom. Then Joker abuses it too much that it makes him insane. Though I never wanted him to be a druggie.

 

[TheLongestDay]

is it too early to make a catnip catwoman joke?

 

[TheBatman072]

I'm sure this has already been thought of, but I was in the bath one day, and I got to thinking about, since Batman's fighting style in this movie is mostly fists, forearms, and elbows, if the scar on the left side of Joker's face(the really ugly one), is the result of a gauntlet scallop across the mouth? Like Joker comes at Batman at one point, Batman spins around, whacks Joker in the mouth and thus slices his cheek open.


Joker goes back to his hide-out, looks at himself in the mirror, and, since his "perfect" face has already been desicrated(sp), he decides to finish it off and make it "match on both sides." Thus driving him furthur over the edge and cementing his obsession with Batman.

 

[CaptainClown]

Ya, I figured Joker to be a very vain guy.

 

[rizzo51]

I think it all has to do with his college years with the falafel guy as his dormmate... he was suppose go into buisness with him, until one day after graduation when a horrible falafel dough machine accident scarred him for life.. The customers of their little corner stand couldn't even look at him without getting sick so he was forced to give up his dream... no falafel cart, no falafel house, no falafel empire....... it drove him insane... with all his savings in the falafel startup he had to resort to crime to keep himself in green hairdye and crazy socks...

 

[Kakihara]

He did it himself. all of it. He's ****ing crazier than an outhouse rat. Case solved.

 

[TheDarkVictory]

I think if they went drug route I would want the drug to be like that red eye stuff in Cowboy Bebop that makes your sense really acute. Think of it as a mental alternative to Venom. Then Joker abuses it too much that it makes him insane. Though I never wanted him to be a druggie.

isnt it at the point in the comics where joker is like..immune to all toxics? like i remember something about how he's tried out so many poisons and viral strains and all sorts of nasty stuff that he basically has poisonous blood...so i imagine drugs would just be child's play to the joker. i think he'd be "above" them, in a weird way. he gets high off batman.

 

[TheDarkVictory]

He did it himself. all of it. He's ****ing crazier than an outhouse rat. Case solved.

i could see that. didnt oldman let slip that he does it with a razor? or at least..that somebody does it with a razor? im thinking either he did it himself to even out a scar he already had, or he crosses the wrong person, and has it done to him.

 

[MissHush]

I'm sure this has already been thought of, but I was in the bath one day, and I got to thinking about, since Batman's fighting style in this movie is mostly fists, forearms, and elbows, if the scar on the left side of Joker's face(the really ugly one), is the result of a gauntlet scallop across the mouth? Like Joker comes at Batman at one point, Batman spins around, whacks Joker in the mouth and thus slices his cheek open.


Joker goes back to his hide-out, looks at himself in the mirror, and, since his "perfect" face has already been desicrated(sp), he decides to finish it off and make it "match on both sides." Thus driving him furthur over the edge and cementing his obsession with Batman.

makes sense to me.

 

[CaptainClown]

isnt it at the point in the comics where joker is like..immune to all toxics? like i remember something about how he's tried out so many poisons and viral strains and all sorts of nasty stuff that he basically has poisonous blood...so i imagine drugs would just be child's play to the joker. i think he'd be "above" them, in a weird way. he gets high off batman.

wow that was an ancient post of mine lets see if I can remember what I was thinking, uhh psychedelic drugs don't work on him. Check out Knightfall. Scarecrow sprays him and it doesn't work.

 

[MissHush]

i apologize for not knowing this already, but why wouldn't they stick with they way of the original comic book or the previous movies? i realize that each director has a different take, but if it's in the comic book, shouldn't they go with it?

 

[TheDarkVictory]

wow that was an ancient post of mine lets see if I can remember what I was thinking, uhh psychedelic drugs don't work on him. Check out Knightfall. Scarecrow sprays him and it doesn't work.

haha wow i didnt even realize how old your post was. and that is probably my favorite joker moment ever, i cant believe i forgot that. so i guess its true...the man can take anything. i could see the joker taking a fistful of horse tranquilizer and just laughing, like "got anything...better?"

 

[Sonic1002]

I have no idea.

From the looks of the scarring, it appears he got shot through the right side of his face exiting on the left....or perhaps he was 'bataranged'?...or perhaps the wound is a self inflicted 'chelsea grin'? I dunno.

Batarang theory worked in the comics! Check out Batman Confidential

 

[TheDarkVictory]

i apologize for not knowing this already, but why wouldn't they stick with they way of the original comic book or the previous movies? i realize that each director has a different take, but if it's in the comic book, shouldn't they go with it?

youll get a different opinion from every single person here, but my opinion is this-

1) they dont do it like previous movies because these are an entirely new continuity, entirely new beast in general. the nolan movies are as if the prior four dont exist whatsoever- which in the case of BF and B&R is a good thing. begins and TDK are not prequels, sequels, they are completely new films.

2) nolan is a talented and smart enough director to realize that something new should be achieved by his series. the joker has been done before, but not anywhere near the fashion we are getting him now. a good filmmaker sets out to reinvent the wheel each time- to simply follow the comics exactly would make a stagnant, and ultimately, lesser film. plus, judging by the prologue/virals/teaser/reports, etc, etc...this joker, in my opinion, is truer to the comics than the 89 joker is, personality wise. visually, he's an entirely new beast, but you have to remember that this is the joker as incorporated into nolan's gotham, which is, again, something entirely new.

also, if you look at the interpretation of batman and his villains over the past 60 or so years, theyve all changed so many times and had so many different things done, that this shouldnt come as a shock to anyone. there isnt really a set "way" in the comics. there was a point when the joker existed solely to play silly pranks on batman (which is just...awful), and there are points where he's a disgusting and absolutely vile killer, and nolan is going that route (which is my personal favorite. i like the joker as somebody who's sense of humor is solely for himself, and involves horrible things). whether or not people like it, doesnt matter. thats whats happening and i, for one, think its going to be brilliant.

wow what a rambling post.

 

[CaptainClown]

i apologize for not knowing this already, but why wouldn't they stick with they way of the original comic book or the previous movies? i realize that each director has a different take, but if it's in the comic book, shouldn't they go with it?

Well there are so many things they strayed from the source, but they are making their own comic book movie. They have created their own Batman lore using the comics as source material. There are so many comics and designs of Batman which one to pick?

or

or

or even

You really can't fit all these versions into one movie, or just pick a favorite so what they are doing is creating their own using the comics (as I said before) as inspiration

 

[CaptainClown]

youll get a different opinion from every single person here, but my opinion is this-

1) they dont do it like previous movies because these are an entirely new continuity, entirely new beast in general. the nolan movies are as if the prior four dont exist whatsoever- which in the case of BF and B&R is a good thing. begins and TDK are not prequels, sequels, they are completely new films.

2) nolan is a talented and smart enough director to realize that something new should be achieved by his series. the joker has been done before, but not anywhere near the fashion we are getting him now. a good filmmaker sets out to reinvent the wheel each time- to simply follow the comics exactly would make a stagnant, and ultimately, lesser film. plus, judging by the prologue/virals/teaser/reports, etc, etc...this joker, in my opinion, is truer to the comics than the 89 joker is, personality wise. visually, he's an entirely new beast, but you have to remember that this is the joker as incorporated into nolan's gotham, which is, again, something entirely new.

also, if you look at the interpretation of batman and his villains over the past 60 or so years, theyve all changed so many times and had so many different things done, that this shouldnt come as a shock to anyone. there isnt really a set "way" in the comics. there was a point when the joker existed solely to play silly pranks on batman (which is just...awful), and there are points where he's a disgusting and absolutely vile killer, and nolan is going that route (which is my personal favorite. i like the joker as somebody who's sense of humor is solely for himself, and involves horrible things). whether or not people like it, doesnt matter. thats whats happening and i, for one, think its going to be brilliant.

wow what a rambling post.

ya nicely put, you could go on and on about why things were changed.

 

[TheDarkVictory]

Well there are so many things they strayed from the source, but they are making their own comic book movie. They have created their own Batman lore using the comics as source material. There are so many comics and designs of Batman which one to pick?

or

or

or even

You really can't fit all these versions into one movie, or just pick a favorite so what they are doing is creating their own using the comics (as I said before) as inspiration

oh god that last one is just...awful. is that from the latest batman cartoon? glad i dont watch it.

 

[CaptainClown]

ya I hate "the batman" and its designs for all the characters. the voice work and production value is top notch but I really don't like it. It still is a version of the Joker though

 

[Crook]

Well there are so many things they strayed from the source, but they are making their own comic book movie. They have created their own Batman lore using the comics as source material. There are so many comics and designs of Batman which one to pick?

or

or

or even

You really can't fit all these versions into one movie, or just pick a favorite so what they are doing is creating their own using the comics (as I said before) as inspiration

Half of those designs are either short-lived, or were one-time shots. Joker's design has practically stayed the same since his creation.

The differences all throughout history have more to do with facial features than actual design elements.

 

[TheDarkVictory]

ya I hate "the batman" and its designs for all the characters. the voice work and production value is top notch but I really don't like it. It still is a version of the Joker though

i cant imagine what that joker's voice sounds like. in my head its like this balloon full of helium slowly draining. but you're right..its still someone's interpretation, and i think thats a great part of these characters, is that there are so many ways to do them...right or (in that one's case) wrong.

 

[TheDarkVictory]

Half of those designs are either short-lived, or were one-time shots. Joker's design has practically stayed the same since his creation.

The differences all throughout history have more to do with facial features than actual design elements.

crook, i'd be interested, what's your preferred design from the comics? leaving tdk joker out of it entirely. personally my favorite would have to be TKJ joker, even though i know that was sort of a one shot type deal.

 

[CaptainClown]

Half of those designs are either short-lived, or were one-time shots. Joker's design has practically stayed the same since his creation.

The differences all throughout history have more to do with facial features than actual design elements.

Well I was using Joker as a reference to point out the different designs by artists. I really didn't want to dig up pictures of something like Mask of the Phantasm where Joker is a hitman for the mob and compare it to The Killing Joke where he is afailed comedian ya know?

Again my point is that there are so many different interpretations of the characters and different stories if you just stick with one you really aren't going anywhere. Mr. Freeze would be an example, do we pull him out of the old comics or from TAS. What makes one better then the other? (though that is kind of obvious.