Judge Orders Bakery to Serve Gay Couple

[Snow Queen]

That's not going to work, because he honestly (and wrongly) believes that there is something wrong with being a homosexual, while being a Christian or in an interracial relationship is completely innocuous.

Yeah...I just remembered some of his threads. There's no point in bothering.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

It is objectively wrong to not treat homosexuality and heterosexuality the same? But I quote the Bible, you'll respond, "that's just your opinion..." ...the hypocrisy is outstanding.

Thank God we don't build our laws off of the Bible...

 

[The Question]

It's weird you dismiss Christian morality, have a slogan saying "Objectivism doesn't work" but make absolutist statements which are merely slogans embedded into your head by leftwing think tanks and public education.

That's impressive, seeing as how I went to private schools run by registered Republicans for most of my life.

Your position demanding everyone to equate two different things as the same has no foundation and is an emotional response.

It has the foundation of the fact that, beyond basic anatomical differences, there is no measurable difference between a heterosexual relationship and a homosexual relationship or any evidence that suggests such a difference exists.

 

[Joshua_B]

That judge was completely in the wrong on this, as are anyone who helped that state policy take effect. If the activists were really so concerned about society, they'd focus more on curing STDs than worrying about what arbitrarily offends people.

I hope the owner of that bakery still refuses, and fights his way to the Supreme Court.

 

[SentinelMind]

That's impressive, seeing as how I went to private schools run by registered Republicans for most of my life.



It has the foundation of the fact that, beyond basic anatomical differences, there is no measurable difference between a heterosexual relationship and a homosexual relationship or any evidence that suggests such a difference exists.

, really, TQ?

one can produce a child...the other cannot.

 

[The Question]

, really, TQ?

one can produce a child...the other cannot.

1: How is that not covered by "basic anatomical differences?"

2: Okay. So what?

 

[SentinelMind]

Then there's a difference...one provides foundation for preparing generation of mankind...and the other does not but has higher correlation towards depression, STDS, and internal confusion.

 

[Snow Queen]

Then there's a difference...one provides foundation for preparing generation of mankind...and the other does not but has higher correlation towards depression, STDS, and internal confusion.

Want to know why there's a higher correlation with gay people and depression? Because of people like you.

 

[Feenix]

That judge was completely in the wrong on this, as are anyone who helped that state policy take effect. If the activists were really so concerned about society, they'd focus more on curing STDs than worrying about what arbitrarily offends people.

I hope the owner of that bakery still refuses, and fights his way to the Supreme Court.

And if the religious were so concerned about society, they would spend more time helping people than trying to stop gay people from doing things that are perfectly within their right to do.

 

[SentinelMind]

And if the religious were so concerned about society, they would spend more time helping people than trying to stop gay people from doing things that are perfectly within their right to do.

Religious are more likely to donate to charity than secular people, so we're already doing that and can still condemn sin while providing love and care for others.

 

[Feenix]

Then there's a difference...one provides foundation for preparing generation of mankind...and the other does not but has higher correlation towards depression, STDS, and internal confusion.

Internal confusion? My, we do think highly of ourselves don't we? Try focussing on your own life before you judge others' lives.

 

[The Question]

Then there's a difference...one provides foundation for preparing generation of mankind...and the other does not but has higher correlation towards depression, STDS, and internal confusion.

Only because society deems them and their relationships to be unequal to heterosexual relationships. That is the root cause of all of those problems.

Also, what with the high numbers of orphaned children or children given up for adoption in the world, gay couples have plenty of opportunities to pull their weight in the the area of raising the next generation.

Also also, even though it's more expensive, sperm donation and surrogacy are a thing.

Also also also, even though it's even more expensive, it is possible to grow sperm cells from bone marrow, regardless of the sex of the bone marrow donor. So a lesbian couple could, in fact, have children that are 100% biologically their offspring.

 

[Feenix]

Religious are more likely to donate to charity than secular people, so we're already doing that and can still condemn sin while providing love and care for others.

Stats, please.

Multitaskers! Condemning sin and loving people at the same time? Where do you find the time?

 

[SentinelMind]

Cosmic...this is from....The Huffington Post!!!!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/20/study-less-religious-stat_n_1810425.html

 

[SentinelMind]

Here are some even better ones..

http://www.hoover.org/publications/policy-review/article/6577

http://philanthropy.com/article/Religious-Americans-Give-More/143273/

 

[SentinelMind]

Only because society deems them and their relationships to be unequal to heterosexual relationships. That is the root cause of all of those problems.

Do you have source for this and a means of even testing it? You at least acknowledge major differences exist even if we can't agree on cause, source, or resolution.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

, really, TQ?

one can produce a child...the other cannot.

Hey, you do realize that not all heterosexual relationships can nor do produce children either, right?

You do know that the sole purpose of marriage is not to produce children, right?

My grandfather remarried in his 70's after my grandmother passed away. I supposed since he and my new grandmother couldn't have children, they shouldn't have been allowed to get married?

My uncle has certain medical conditions that he does not want to pass off to any potential offspring, so he and my aunt made a conscious decision to not have children. I suppose they shouldn't have gotten married either, right?

Truth be told? Your viewpoint on things sickens me. It's people like you that are why I have such a negative view of Christianity as a whole. It's a shame that individuals like you taint religion for everyone else.

Then there's a difference...one provides foundation for preparing generation of mankind...and the other does not but has higher correlation towards depression, STDS, and internal confusion.

Want to know why there's a higher correlation with gay people and depression? Because of people like you.

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[Feenix]

Ah, so you're giving because you're told to. Nice. Hey, in the UK, Muslims are the most charitable out of any other religion.

In the States, Utah is the biggest contributor to charity, because tithing is mandatory for Mormons.

Plus, there's that whole thing as well that a lot of religious charities spend less than 1% of their donations on the actual cause.


Back to the gay couple, good for them. If they were black, that shop owner would be facing a whole new set of problems. But, because the good ol religious feel it's their job to judge, he's getting praise and support heaped on him. Maybe they should look to the sins of their own flock before they start outsourcing.

 

[SentinelMind]

Ah, so you're giving because you're told to. Nice. Hey, in the UK, Muslims are the most charitable out of any other religion.

In the States, Utah is the biggest contributor to charity, because tithing is mandatory for Mormons.

Plus, there's that whole thing as well that a lot of religious charities spend less than 1% of their donations on the actual cause.

You complained religious need to help people more...when I provide stats that they are the ones doing it the most...you just complain...that they are doing what they are told? Why not tell your atheist friends to pick up the slack?

 

[Feenix]

You complained religious need to help people more...when I provide stats that they are the ones doing it the most...you just complain...that they are doing what they are told? Why not tell your atheist friends to pick up the slack?

I think they help just enough for not being forced to, because, you know, they're actually good people at heart and don't need anyone to tell them to be good.

 

[SentinelMind]

I think they help just enough for not being forced to, because, you know, they're actually good people at heart and don't need anyone to tell them to be good.

None of this self-justification for less charitable behavior changes the fact they help less. You're free to believe this but you have no way of even testing this vague nebulous theory that you want to believe.

Human nature is selfish....people need a source of morality guiding and pushing them to counter that selfish nature
We need presence of God to push people to not "help just enough for not being forced"...otherwise world will succumb to further despair.

I have more respect for someone who helps even though he doesn't want to but because he thinks its right thing to do....than someone who only helps the people he likes. That's difference between God-centered morality and self-justified "morality."

 

[Feenix]

There are more religious people in the States than non religious, so they would obviously give more because they have to. That doesn't change the fact that a lot of religious charities spend more of the donations on everything else but their cause.

You're never going to convince me there is a god or that religious people are better people than the non religious. So back to the topic.

 

[Piper Maru]

So what are your guys favorite donuts?

 

[bullets]

How were the gay people supposed to know they couldn't have any cake? If you ask me this is discrimination and the judge made the right decision.

 

[Joshua_B]

And if the religious were so concerned about society, they would spend more time helping people than trying to stop gay people from doing things that are perfectly within their right to do.

Everyone has free will, but no one in this country has an inherent right to have their personal choices automatically supported by the federal government. Same-sex unions are a huge industry already, so permission's obviously not what they're after. They want total promotion across the board, nothing less.