Jurassic World - Part 6

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It's not that he's wrong, but at the same time there is a double standard depending on the movie.

For example, people were crazy over the Alice Eve in underwear scene in Star Trek into Darkness right? But it's okay for the female lead to take off her clothes or be sexy in a bikini in the Mission Impossible Rogue Nation trailer. Stuff like that, where it's so subjective and fluid that it's hard to take a stance.
 
It's not the same thing though, in JW, Bryce Dallas Howard is the CEO of the park so the dialogue between Pratt's character and her character is bad.
 
Here to change the subject from this tiny clip which apparently has become such a huge deal to some of you.

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Waiting for the complaints now about the CGI or whatever in 3..2..
 
Here to change the subject from this tiny clip which apparently has become such a huge deal to some of you.

JW-GyroNew1.jpg


Waiting for the complaints now about the CGI or whatever in 3..2..

No complaints about the dinos. :sly:
 
Maybe IM weird. BUt I didn't really think of it as written as sexist. It kinda just fit what theyre trying to do with Pratt's character.

Pratt's character is good at his job but doesn't take things seriously and he's a, slight, "hedonist"/womanizer. It's pretty much the go to nowadays for franchise leads. Him hitting on Howard is just reflective of that. It reminded me of Kirk from Stark Trek 09 or at least in STID.

So I don't think it's sexist as in the writers wrote a sexist scene. I just think the writers wrote a scene and it fit what theyre trying to do with Pratt's character I mean I knew that what was shown in the clip would be the dynamic between Pratt and Howard. The whole Slap-Slap-Kiss trope.


That being said, I was Pratt's character would be more serious. He's not like Andy or Star Lord but I didn't expect him to be a cocky type guy.
I only watched the Teaser and then this clip. And I only watched the clip because of what Whedon said.

...there is a double standard depending on the movie.

For example, people were crazy over the Alice Eve in underwear scene in Star Trek into Darkness right? But it's okay for the female lead to take off her clothes or be sexy in a bikini in the Mission Impossible Rogue Nation trailer. Stuff like that, where it's so subjective and fluid that it's hard to take a stance.

THe only reason I found Eve's scene in STID slightly (very slightly) weird was because it obviously was just used for some fanservice.

But as you alluded to that happens in almost every movie. For both genders. So yeah I don't get why people complain. It's stupid.
 
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I didn't think it was sexist either and I think Whedon, who has a big mouth at times, overreacted.
 
Whedon is seen as this feminist figure, but idk Ive never thought there was anything special about what he did for women. I mean yeah he's written strong women, but so have other writers. And I think they've done it better than Whedon

But that might just be me
 
Whedon is seen as this feminist figure, but idk Ive never thought there was anything special about what he did for women. I mean yeah he's written strong women, but so have other writers. And I think they've done it better than Whedon

But that might just be me

All this coming from a guy that filmed a huge amount of close-ups of Scarlett Johanssen's ass.
 
It's not that he's wrong, but at the same time there is a double standard depending on the movie.

For example, people were crazy over the Alice Eve in underwear scene in Star Trek into Darkness right? But it's okay for the female lead to take off her clothes or be sexy in a bikini in the Mission Impossible Rogue Nation trailer. Stuff like that, where it's so subjective and fluid that it's hard to take a stance.

Not so much a double standard as it makes sense for different movies to be judged differently depending on context. STID was particularly egregious because of what Star Trek represents. The franchise has not always been perfect, but generally it has been supposed to be a serious science fiction franchise that explores issues of discrimination and acceptance and has attempted to take a progressive stance on social issues. Taking a female character who was smart, independent, and assertive in WoK and having her be in the movie simply for the purpose of stripping down and making one characterless infodump was pretty bad given the context.
 
All this coming from a guy that filmed a huge amount of close-ups of Scarlett Johanssen's ass.
I like Whedon's work, but like a lot of feminists, he's self-important, hypocritical, and overzealous when it's convenient or when he thinks it makes him look good.
 
I don't see the big deal about the clip.
 
Not so much a double standard as it makes sense for different movies to be judged differently depending on context. STID was particularly egregious because of what Star Trek represents. The franchise has not always been perfect, but generally it has been supposed to be a serious science fiction franchise that explores issues of discrimination and acceptance and has attempted to take a progressive stance on social issues. Taking a female character who was smart, independent, and assertive in WoK and having her be in the movie simply for the purpose of stripping down and making one characterless infodump was pretty bad given the context.

But the new Star Trek movies aren't the same serious sci fi. THeyre more of a fun sci fi adventure. That's pretty clear from the scene with young Kirk blasting Beastie Boys

Besides that scenE to me is not as bad as what they did to Uhura which they just made her a whiny girlfriend and slightly competent in STID compared to 09.

But even look at the scene in 09 where Uhura strips in her room. THat wasn't necessary either
 
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I don't see the big deal about the clip.

Same here I think it's fine, but whatever if everyone else wants to be so concerned with it haha. I posted a new pic showing off some new dinosaurs and only one person replied. Everyone else is hung up on this clip and sexism etc. Waiting for someone to complain about the pic I posted though as well haha
 
Really poor choice of clip to release and it has now set JW off on the back foot.
 
Im not a conspiracy theorist but this wouldn't surprised me if this wasn't done to drum up some more interest in the movie.

I mean really Whedon calling it sexist is really silly. I think he's overrated but he doesn't seem like a stupid or even irrational guy.
 
Here to change the subject from this tiny clip which apparently has become such a huge deal to some of you.

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Waiting for the complaints now about the CGI or whatever in 3..2..

Littlefoot and Cera 4EVA.

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True, but then I think back to the first trailer. Pratt's delivery with any dialogue seems off to me.

I'd rather just let the film speak for itself all in context. It's okay to criticize and have an opinion about something, but to decry something based on one clip is strange to me.

People seems to be forcing things together just to either confirm their own fears or just to come up with conclusions that don't make as much sense. It doesn't help people are suddenly coming out of the woodwork to confirm something.

"I always knew so and so was a bad actor!"

Dialogue sounding funny within the trailers? You could say that about anybody in any trailer. Lots of stuff is taken out of context in trailers and mashed together to make it sound different. There really isn't much of an argument here. Pratt's a good actor too so I'm giving him more credit than to write him off based on one clip.

I like Whedon's work, but like a lot of feminists, he's self-important, hypocritical, and overzealous when it's convenient or when he thinks it makes him look good.

I haven't seen a whole lot of examples of these on his end, but he's just a guy who believes in equality for women.

Again, I haven't seen the clip though as much as I love Whedon, it's unfair on his end to decry something sexist without context.

But here though, it's ingratiating to suddenly come out of the woodwork to defend something by hating on someone else whenever convenient. It's going both ways here.

Whedon is seen as this feminist figure, but idk Ive never thought there was anything special about what he did for women. I mean yeah he's written strong women, but so have other writers. And I think they've done it better than Whedon

But that might just be me

I think writing strong women in film and television which already lacks diversity and strong females and giving female and other audiences something to look up to is doing something very important for women. Especially in entertainment.

Plus the guy's a social advocate and speaks out against female and humanistic abusive causes. Within the content of entertainment and also worldwide causes. Plus he sheds light on feminist causes that aren't happening in just the U.S. which people tend to overlook. I appreciate the man for taking stands and being a voice for something he believes in.

He isn't Sean Penn in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina or anything, but I think we at least need more voices like Whedon in the industry.

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Okay, I watched the clip. Really nothing awful. Talk about over-reaction. The dialogue flows fine. Is it the best thing coming out of Jurassic Park film thus far? No. Was the last moment weird and not the subtle piece of writing? Not really, but nothing to make me worried. I wanna see their characters in context now.

The acting is fine. Jesus.
 
He isn't Sean Penn in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina or anything, but I think we at least need more voices like Whedon in the industry.

Considering Penn's so-called "volunteer work" in New Orleans consisted of driving around in a boat so loaded with Penn's camera crew that he couldn't have rescued anyone even if he tried, I'd say not being like that is a good thing.
 
Whedon is seen as this feminist figure, but idk Ive never thought there was anything special about what he did for women. I mean yeah he's written strong women, but so have other writers. And I think they've done it better than Whedon

But that might just be me

James Cameron and Quentin Tarantino to name two.
 
I do like that Whedon isn't afraid to put strong female characters in his stuff, but his constant "HEY, EVERYONE, IM A FEMINIST!!!" shtick gets a bit tiresome. We get it you are a feminist and you were raised by a strong mom who was also an uber feminist. But it's just a movie. Hell, it's not even a movie. It's a clip. Choose your battles wisely, Mr. Whedon. Cause *****ing about a small clip isn't going to affect any change for women.

Sometimes I think he just likes to remind everyone that he is a feminist and in his mind that somehow makes him a special little snowflake.
 
I think writing strong women in film and television which already lacks diversity and strong females and giving female and other audiences something to look up to is doing something very important for women. Especially in entertainment.
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Im not saying that it's unimportant. I think it's very important. Ive been championing for more female leads for a while. I'm just saying I don't think the way Whedon writes women is anything special.
He wasn't the first to write an a**kicking female lead, and, imo he's not even the best that has done it.

IM just not impressed by him, his work; and how he's this big feminist figure.
 
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