Just how smart is Batman?

[GoldenAgeHero]

Batman can't even crack the dimensional barrier on his own, a feat Lex Luther mastered in his teens.

you really can't say that since you have'nt seen batman even try. matter of fact none of you can say batman can't do something if he hasn't been shown to try. he built brother eye by himself, i doubt his company would let him do it publicly or let him interfere with it. plus he has his own underground rocket(recent batman issue) so im sure he put the sattelite up there himself.


batman is a genius imo.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

That's rife with hypocrisy. By your own standards, you can't say he's done any of what you just said he did because you haven't seen him do any of that.

 

[yahman]

That's rife with hypocrisy. By your own standards, you can't say he's done any of what you just said he did because you haven't seen him do any of that.

I love it when people use unfallsifiable statements to prove something. In the early 20th centuary un verifiable notions where considered meaningless and therefore gibberish. I wouldn't want to promote logical positivism, but it did have some good ideas.

 

[GoldenAgeHero]

That's rife with hypocrisy. By your own standards, you can't say he's done any of what you just said he did because you haven't seen him do any of that.

first of all in an interview with rucka , he said bruce built brother eye and in one of the recent issues of batman he and damien took a rocket in orbit .


stop confusing yourself corp.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Did Rucka say Bruce built Brother Eye by hand? No. His statement could easily have meant that Bruce had Brother Eye built for him through various companies so none of them knew what they were building. The fact that he and Damien rode a rocket into space is meaningless, too. Bruce has a rocket. Big deal. That doesn't mean he launched Brother Eye into space himself. You're assuming a ton while simultaneously bashing others for assuming things. That's hypocrisy. Look it up sometime.

Regardless, the technology for Brother Eye is readily available through various other scientists' work. All Bruce would need to do is figure out what he wants it to do and subcontract the components to people who know how to make them.

 

[Warhammer]

Top 4 Intellects.

Ra's
Lex
Bruce
Mr. Terrific

No particular order.

How can he only be "near" genius?! He's friggin bonafide!!

I'd say Reed Richards and Doctor Doom are super geniuses, btw.
Bats is a genius/tactician, in his own right and in different types of intelligence, but like everyone else said, he is no Top 4.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

I believe they stated Bruce's intelligence in the lead up to Crisis as being 180 (something close to that). Considering the highest intelligence in the real world is 221 (a woman no less), and comics tend to inflate human achievement, I'd have to assume there is no way Batman is in the top ten.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Exactly. The World's greatest Detective?

Not ever. Batman admits that Wesley Dodd, the first Sandman, was a better detective than he was.

The leader of the damn stronghold against the amazons? Tons of other stuff. This prick went toe to toe with Darkseid.

Most of the league has fought Darkseid at some point or another. Batman has never gone "toe to toe", that's Superman's department.

The fact that he had the balls to even think of doing that and still come up with a plan. Not ONE of those scientists is ****in with that type of strategist nature.

T.O.Morrow sits in a cell with ABSOLUTELY no tech, because the last time he got ahold of an ipod he turned it into a laser, hacked the security grid and almost escaped. That's called strategy. In fact MOST of DC's scientists, like John Irons, Lex Luthor, Ray Palmer, Will Magnus, and Dr.Sivana have proven intelligent in tactics and strategy. Hell, Luthor has a strategist's brain...he won the Presidency, is a business mongul and a hand-to-hand combatant.

And Ra's Al Ghul being nowhere near top ten? Sheeeyt. He found out who Batman was, (something that none of those guys has been able to do, including Luthor)

So has Nightwing, Robin, Jason Todd, The Riddler, the Joker, James Gordon, Tim Drake (BEFORE becoming Robin), Barbara Gordon and Superman...are they all "super geniuses".

then dismantled the ENTIRE Justice League using Batman's doomsday strategies. Luthor ain't ****in with Ra's, I'm sorry.

Luthor dismantled the entire League before. He's beaten many of them. In addition he is listed as the smartest man in the DCU.

As a package as a whole, I don't think so anyway. And just for the sake of arguement, didn't Batman beat Mr. Terrific at chess?

Nope, sure didn't.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

I mentioned this in a marvel thread, there are different degrees of measuring intellect

Analytical problem solving
strategy in bouts
engineering and reverse engineering
chemistry, biology and botany

etc

overall, i'd say batman was probably the best jack of all trades, but he wouldn't be in the top five of any individual list, he's just the greatest all rounder with the tools (bat computer) to help give him an edge in most of the other fields if he requires it.

He's like an aerospace engineer. He's a good manager because they are taught all other basic forms of engineering and can help communicate between all other engineer forms but you wouldn't hire one to lay an oil pipe down or build a bridge.

For kicks, I'd change Analytical Problem Solving to "Spacial Reasoning". Only because engineers and reverse engineers without Analytical Problem Solving would be -very- bad engineers to begin with.

 

[lixdexia]

But doe's anyone have an exsample of his Intellect.With Reed and Doom we have seen what they have created as proof but I dont thong we've seen the same level of inventions.

I do remember hearing that he reverse engineered a Mother Box or at least put one back together but I'm not sure if it was true...anybody know?

um, he shut darksied down without being a physical threat, he built brother eye, his contengency plans for the other jla members worked REALLY well,... i'd say those are good examples of how smart he is

 

[Anubis]

All he did was threaten to blow up Apocalypse. Anybody coulda done that. If Darksied knew anything about Bat's he'd have known he would never have done it. Being a good liar doesn't necessarily count as proof of Genius.

 

[lixdexia]

All he did was threaten to blow up Apocalypse. Anybody coulda done that. If Darksied knew anything about Bat's he'd have known he would never have done it. Being a good liar doesn't necessarily count as proof of Genius.

no, but it's clear indication that he knows his enemy and how to stop him, no matter how powerfull he may be, which no matter how you slice it, takes some smarts

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Building bombs do not take smart scientists.

 

[Anubis]

I'd say it'd take some balls, not necessarily smarts.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Anybody who understands Fission/Fusion/Fission weaponry can decidingly cause severe amounts of damage if the materials are handy.

 

[lixdexia]

Building bombs do not take smart scientists.

maybe not technical intelegence, but definately strategic and annalitical. there's more than one way to be smart. and he built the most bad ass car in history...

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Strategy to develop heavy devastation scenarios don't require genius either.

He's a genius, but I wouldn't consider him cream of the crop.

 

[lixdexia]

Strategy to develop heavy devastation scenarios don't require genius either.

He's a genius, but I wouldn't consider him cream of the crop.

sure he's not the smartest guy in the dcu, but he's up there, maybe not in the top 10, but not too far out either

 

[shapeshifter]

he has been said to be one of the three smartest people in the DCU.
He and Lex Luthor are supposedly to close to call, and Mr. Terrific is third. (sited from DC.com)
He has a great capacity to learn, so what he does not know or figure out he teaches himself. His fanatical devotion to his mission has the byproduct of genius.

 

[Anubis]

I think we're having two different conversations here. He's answering the original question, while I (and possibly the Mistress) are still wrapped up in the debate on whether or not he's one of the smartest in the entire DCU. In terms of gauging how Smart bats is, I suppose you could include that particular incident, but as far as applying that towards gauging his place in the DCU smart guy hierarchy, it's meaningless.

 

[lixdexia]

he has been said to be one of the three smartest people in the DCU.
He and Lex Luthor are supposedly to close to call, and Mr. Terrific is third.
He has a great capacity to learn, so what he does not know or figure out he teaches himself. His fanatical devotion to his mission has the byproduct of genius.

no way is he smarter than mister terrific, all the guy has to do is see it once and he completely understands it

 

[shapeshifter]

hey take it up with DC.com
I'm not taking anything away from Terrific. He's one of my favorite characters.

 

[lixdexia]

hey take it up with DC.com
I'm not taking anything away from Terrific. He's one of my favorite characters.

well i guess they would be the authority...

 

[shapeshifter]

well i guess they would be the authority...

its possible that Mr. Terrific got 3rd place because his focus is mainly technologically oriented, where Batman can claim expertise in many areas. As for Luthor, he is just the Hannibal lecter of DC, without the odd eating habits.

 

[Anubis]

You really can't take anything you'd find on DC.com or in the so called "Official" Handbooks as truth. The only way to know for sure is to read the comics. And by reading the comics, you'd know that that's a buncha bulls**t.