Comics Keeping or Dropping ASM?

Are you going to quit buying Amazing Spider-Man after OMD?

  • Yes, definitely. I dont like the changes.

  • Probably.

  • I will probably keep buying Amazing.

  • I will keep buying after One More Day.


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Don't these "I'm totally dropping the book" threads come up at least once a year.

-They made Gwen betray Peter. I'm dropping the book!
-They made him a freak in whatever that one storyline was where he died. I'm dropping the book!
-They changed his costume. I'm dropping the book!

Looking back the Gwen thing was really crappy, and I wish they'd find a way to make the marriage thing work (you've aged the character over the years, deal with it. You have Ultimate for a young Spidey). But after this mess is over I might actually give Amazing a shot again. With these new creative teams, and JMS gone, maybe some interesting stories will come about. Plus it's nice that they are cutting down on the number of Spidey books to have to keep track of.

If the fans should be pissed at anything, it's that "still only 399 cents" crack. That's not funny, and just rubs it in people's faces that these books keep getting pricier. I'd be willing to go back to newsprint if it meant being able to afford a few more books each time I go to the comic store.

I've never said I'm dropping the book before because I've had that completist mindset, "I've got from x - current" so I can't stop now. However, lately that hasn't been a problem, I've dropped both core X-Men books, Fantastic Four, Batman and a few others because I wasn't a big fan of the writer or the direction of the book. If they retcon the marriage I'm out. I'll get my Spidey fix from Ultimate and Spider-Girl, heck I'll probably drop New Avengers too, since the marriage will have to be gone from that too.
 
I was a semi-fan of Sins Past. Dont tell me I whine about dropping the books every chance I get. :cwink:
 
The thing is....i think Marvel COULD have made many of us spidey fans very happy....if they had announced less "events" (especially marriage killing ones)...with a more natural flowing storyline and progression....and had just brought on these new writers and artists to tackle spidey AND/WITH the marriage....not hire them to write/force JQ's personal anti-marriage vendetta down all our throats to try and entice a few young fans looking for single superheroes.

There has been no natural "flow" to the comics lately. It has all been an admitted build up to setting up the pieces to get rid of the marriage.
 
I was a semi-fan of Sins Past. Dont tell me I whine about dropping the books every chance I get. :cwink:

Okay. You don't have to assume that any specific poster is included in my generalizations. I'm taking about the talk on the Internets as a whole, not just SHH.:cwink:
 
The thing is....i think Marvel COULD have made many of us spidey fans very happy....if they had announced less "events" (especially marriage killing ones)...with a more natural flowing storyline and progression....and had just brought on these new writers and artists to tackle spidey AND/WITH the marriage....not hire them to write/force JQ's personal anti-marriage vendetta down all our throats to try and entice a few young fans looking for single superheroes.

There has been no natural "flow" to the comics lately. It has all been an admitted build up to setting up the pieces to get rid of the marriage.
But you know as well as I it's all about sales, and ASM is selling spectacularly well. It's always in the Top 10, if not Top 3.

And, as much as you guys ***** and moan on here, as many of you that supposedly are dropping ASM, it's numbers are still extremely high.
 
You guys have a very short memory. MJ has been un-fun for a very very long time. The most interesting thing she did in the McFarlane era was to start smoking (whooo, we're having some fun now) and the rest of the time she was either being kidnapped, threatened (once by Pete!), or boo-hooing about worrying about Pete. And that was all before the evil Mackie came along. And you can complain about it all you want, but it all started shortly after the marriage. There were some bright spots where they tried to friend her up with Jill Stacy and get her to go back to college. But other than that, she has been a real drag.

Michelinie knew how to write MJ. How did he do this?- He gave PP and MJ separate lives outside of the marriage. MJ was a model at one point and through half of any given issue of ASM we got to follow her exploits, and guess what?- it was actually entertaining!

For example- one time during ‘Inferno’ MJ is doing a photo shoot. Some of her gold jewellery becomes possessed so MJ helps kill the jewellery demons. This shows MJ’s industrious and tough side, in addition to showing her being all foxy in skimpy clothing. That’s how to write MJ. Michelinie knew how to write the tangled web so that it showcased the movements of the supporting cast in-character, thus making each issue of ASM part of a rich multi layered saga.

You might not find MJ smoking or worrying about Peter exciting, but it was that stuff mixed w/ MJ’s daily schedule that made it seem like she was a real person in a real marriage. You may find that stuff a drag, but I liked it and I reckon MJ was written a lot more in character in the late 80’s/early 90’s than she has been in the last few years under JMS. That is what I was getting at.
 
But you know as well as I it's all about sales, and ASM is selling spectacularly well. It's always in the Top 10, if not Top 3.

And, as much as you guys ***** and moan on here, as many of you that supposedly are dropping ASM, it's numbers are still extremely high.

It is not all about sales.


Sales count for jack in terms of maintaining the high standards of continuity that had been adhered to for 40+ years of Spider-man comics until SP happened.

Sales also count for nothing in terms of depicting members of the cast in character, or the validity of progression in favor of regression in ASM.

These are the things we care about.
 

It is not all about sales.

ITS ALL ABOUT SALES.

Quesada has said, on more than one occasion, that you vote with your dollars. If you say that Sins Past is a ****ty story, but then go out and buy it, you're telling Marvel that you like Sins Past.

Nobody cares what you post on a message board. Sales are the bottom line. You can ***** and moan all you want about Spider-Man, but if you buy the comics then (from Marvel's perspective) you like them.
 
You fail to understand that the faithful do not give a sh1t about ASM sales figures. The only thing that is important to us is the validity of the comicbook in our hands verses the past 40+ years of Spidey storytelling.

Marvel's financial resources are vast following the immense success of the Spider-Man films. This is not 1998- Marvel are no longer on the verge of bankruptcy. In other words- ASM is in no danger of ever being canceled.

The current EIC seems to think the only way to keep sales figures up these days is to keep churning out the crappy shock arcs, but who is to say the figures would not be just as high if not better if they instead actually knew how to write Spider-Man?

Fact is the fans care about other readers opinions, as do many creators, so you are wrong again. I don't 'b1tch' or 'moan' as you say. I do however concisely articulate my thoughts on the direction of the status quo and my feelings on each title from issue to issue.
 
You fail to understand that the faithful do not give a sh1t about ASM sales figures.

And you fail to understand the simple truth of it: dollars = quality. In other words, if a comic sells, then Marvel believes it was a quality book. If a comic doesn't sell, then Marvel knows it sucked.

It's not difficult to grasp, especially when Joe Q has said it publicly, and several times at that. What you buy determines what Marvel puts out. For example, if you buy OMD, then you've given Marvel your approval (as far as they care to know).

Dangerous said:
The current EIC seems to think the only way to keep sales figures up these days is to keep churning out the crappy shock arcs,

Because "shock arcs" sell. If you don't want anymore of these kinds of stories, then stop buying them.

Dangerous said:
Fact is the fans care about other readers opinions, as do many creators, so you are wrong again. I don't 'b1tch' or 'moan' as you say. I do however concisely articulate my thoughts on the direction of the status quo and my feelings on each title from issue to issue.

But what the fans "care about" is never addressed in form outside of financially. Complaining on a message board does not influence company decisions; boycotting does. Which comics you do and don't buy sends a clear message to Marvel.

Don't like what Marvel's doing? Don't buy it. It's as simple as that.
 
I'm not buying anymore issues of OMD, or subsequent issues of ASM pending the outcome of the current arc. Il read the comics in the store, that's it.
 
You fail to understand that the faithful do not give a sh1t about ASM sales figures. The only thing that is important to us is the validity of the comicbook in our hands verses the past 40+ years of Spidey storytelling.

Marvel's financial resources are vast following the immense success of the Spider-Man films. This is not 1998- Marvel are no longer on the verge of bankruptcy. In other words- ASM is in no danger of ever being canceled.

The current EIC seems to think the only way to keep sales figures up these days is to keep churning out the crappy shock arcs, but who is to say the figures would not be just as high if not better if they instead actually knew how to write Spider-Man?

Fact is the fans care about other readers opinions, as do many creators, so you are wrong again. I don't 'b1tch' or 'moan' as you say. I do however concisely articulate my thoughts on the direction of the status quo and my feelings on each title from issue to issue.

I think this is a little naive. Marvel Entertainment is a publicly traded company. It is not an independent coffee shop where they can put up interesting paintings and play fringe music. They are Starbucks. They are answering to shareholders and a board of directors. And not a single one of them cares, at all, about the integrity of any of their characters. Hell, if they thought they could pimp out Humbug to the makers of Raid, they would. They care about money, money, and more money. Considering EICs have to contend with that pressure, I'm surprised that they're able to churn out any good stories at all. Rumor has it that the kiddies in Sins Past were actually supposed to be Gwen's and Pete's, but they changed it at the last minute. To maintain Pete's "innocence." If that's true, I guarantee that the Board of Directors dropped the hammer on JQ and told him (not asked him) to change it. Because they've got Spider-Man slippers to sell.

As for how interesting MJ has been in the past: the one example you gave me was of MJ fighting demons. How exactly is that different than being Jackpot? That she wasn't wearing a costume? Supporting characters can be interesting without ever throwing a punch. Spidey-titles have been chock full of them throughout it's history: Aunt May, MJ, Gwen, Harry, JJJ, Betty, Ned, Deb, Glory, Robbie, Randy, Mrs. Muggins, and the list goes on and on. All of them contribute to the story, but they don't even have to be part of the action. Personally, I think the biggest mistake they make with MJ is giving in to the temptation of putting her in the middle of the action. I don't want to read The Amazing Spider-Man and MJ (I know some of you do.) I want to see her have a life, and have it complicate Pete's life. That's it.

The truth is, like a lot of couples in "real life", I don't feel any chemistry between them. And that is a funny thing to say about fictional characters. Because a writer should be able to write chemistry. But there are very few issues that I can point to where I've felt that (and most of them, as I've stated before, are recently or pre-marriage. The one annual where he swings in and saves her from the coffee shop is one) David Michelinie did write a decent couple, but even that was a looong time ago (and to be fair, still in the honeymoon phase)

In the end, I don't think this marriage is any more dead than Captain America is (or Superman was). I think they just want to put a big obstacle in Pete's path, and make the fans clamor for MJs return. And I'm alright with that. Obstacles are gooood.
 
Michelinie knew how to write MJ. How did he do this?- He gave PP and MJ separate lives outside of the marriage. MJ was a model at one point and through half of any given issue of ASM we got to follow her exploits, and guess what?- it was actually entertaining!

For example- one time during ‘Inferno’ MJ is doing a photo shoot. Some of her gold jewellery becomes possessed so MJ helps kill the jewellery demons. This shows MJ’s industrious and tough side, in addition to showing her being all foxy in skimpy clothing. That’s how to write MJ. Michelinie knew how to write the tangled web so that it showcased the movements of the supporting cast in-character, thus making each issue of ASM part of a rich multi layered saga.

You might not find MJ smoking or worrying about Peter exciting, but it was that stuff mixed w/ MJ’s daily schedule that made it seem like she was a real person in a real marriage. You may find that stuff a drag, but I liked it and I reckon MJ was written a lot more in character in the late 80’s/early 90’s than she has been in the last few years under JMS. That is what I was getting at.

Agreed, these guys are the writers, she's not a 'real' woman. If her character starts to suck, it's because of the writers, they don't how to make her what she's supposed to be.

I love MJ, and I very much miss reading her side of things. I think she's such a great character, that's been mistreated/wasted a lot over the last few years. The fact she don't look too bad don't hurt either:cwink:
 
I'm not buying anymore issues of OMD, or subsequent issues of ASM pending the outcome of the current arc. Il read the comics in the store, that's it.

Actually, it's more about following the arc. We don't know the outcome of the story, and OMD has been marketed to heck, soooo, if sales drop right after OMD, that's where JQ gets everyone's opinion. That's what happened with Sins Past.

Also, trades are VERY important to Marvel. The people who wait for trades will read the opinions on the internet, and won't buy the trades. Also, it's much harder to package a graphic novel with positive industry comments when there aren't any, and all graphic novels have these. Kinda like movies.

So yea, trying to deter sales of OMD is pointless. There's loads of comic buyers out there now just buying OMD just to see what the fuss is all about. I do that a lot with other titles.

But what really has me worried is all what he's set up with BND. It's like he knows a lot of us are not going to be pleased with the change of status quo, so he's set up this brilliant ASM package that's difficult to refuse right away:csad:
 
Blader: It's not difficult to grasp, especially when Joe Q has said it publicly, and several times at that. What you buy determines what Marvel puts out.

Well, we've all been buying "married Pete" for quite some time....so..????!
 
I'm not buying anymore issues of OMD, or subsequent issues of ASM pending the outcome of the current arc. Il read the comics in the store, that's it.

Man, I really want to keep it until they actually split the marriage, but I'm tempted to drop it now too. Though I find it hard to do. It's like arresting a crminal before he does the crime.
 
I was going to buy the rest of OMD, but then I just thought why am I paying for this? We all know what the end of the arc is going to be.

If somehow the marriage does not disappear then I will go back and buy the issues I missed, problem solved.
 
But what really has me worried is all what he's set up with BND. It's like he knows a lot of us are not going to be pleased with the change of status quo, so he's set up this brilliant ASM package that's difficult to refuse right away:csad:

That's exactly what it is.
If the marriage just gets erased though, like it never happened- he can stick it.
 
I was going to buy the rest of OMD, but then I just thought why am I paying for this? We all know what the end of the arc is going to be.

If somehow the marriage does not disappear then I will go back and buy the issues I missed, problem solved.

True that. I guess I'll band with you and drop the sucker now.
 
Definitely will be keeping. Whatever it is that happens I'm not nearly as uptight about it as most here...so, there's that.

Then there's the whole fact that Dan Slott will be the writer of ASM for that month period. And basically every Spider-Man fan has been begging for Slott to be put on the title. I'd be a ****ing ****** not to stick with the title, what with Dan "I was born to write the Amazing Spider-Man" Slott on that bad boy!

It'll be interesting how things go. If a bunch of people drop the title and the sales do go down...well, the only person that they're hurting is Dan Slott. Then what happens is they take Slott off and then rearrange their plans to have some crazy superstar writer and artist team come on for a life changing storyline. :oldrazz:

So, it'll be interesting to watch some Spidey fans sort of screw themselves, which for the past three years they have in certain respects.
 

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