Kramer's A Racist!!!

[Morg]

Final warning Jono, you been banned twice, want to go for 3?

 

[chaseter]

Final warning Jono, you been banned twice, want to go for 3?

3rd time's a charm

 

[Spider-Bite]

You once said you supported socialism. So you would support the EXACT SAME THING if it was done along the lines of class instead of race? Because, you know, functionally, it would just be a broader reparations.

It's not reparations. It's running a responsible economy and taking care of our poor regardless of what color they are. Blacks suffer from poverty more often than whites do, so yes if my policies were in effect, they would see most of the benefits, but the help you get is not decided by race. It's decided by income. it's not revenge for the past, it's protecting the future and protecting our citizens of every race.

But they inherit socioeconomic status, and that's what's really key here.

that's part of why I support AA, but you take it to the level of discrimination.

When you say that white people do not benefit from the legacy of slavery...yeah, you actually do. That's pretty much the universal opinion of sociologists.

not every white person's life is the same and neither is every black person's.

What about "we want justice for us, right now"? Does that sound better to you? Because that's what reparations is.

I would say to this "us" I never did anything to you in my entire life. I want a job, you want a job, let's go get one. there are rich and poor balck and white people. a big part of the gap between incomes is that 1% of the country that is rich who inherited money. Almost every single white person in america did not inherit wealth like that. go after their wallets, not the middle and lower class. you said "all white people" that's wrong and discriminatory.

I'm not going to reiterate my proof. It's been posted in both threads. If you can't read, you can't read.

you didn't give even one example of how I'm happier than I would have been had slavery never happened.

 

[deemar325]

Michael Richards is a loser end of story.

 

[deemar325]

Jono guy is kinda angry.

 

[VigilanteArtist]

That's very nice, and irrelevant. Race is a social construction, but most people don't believe that yet. People still see race as biological.

And also, don't go being high-and-mighty. We're all racists. It's how the mind works. It's conditioned in us. Everybody is a little bit racist--sounds like a joke, but it's true.

You're accusing others of being "high and mighty?" That's a laugh. You're one of the most pretentious, "holier than thou" people I've ever seen on these boards.

And why do people tend to view race as biological construct, and not a social construct? Well, maybe it's because it's a real thing, besides skin tone, we have different skeletal structures, etc. Race is NOT a social construct, RACIAL INEQUALITY IS.

To deny racism and promote equality is a good thing. However, to say race is not a product of biology is nothing more than blind and willful ignorance, despite what sociologists say. Anyway, sociology is not as respected as it once was, maybe that's why it's now considered a dying field.

 

[Spider-Bite]

I support equal pay rates, equal employment opportunites, and equal tax rates regardless of race. Anything else would basically break too many people. People would be forced to sell their homes and lives would be ruined.

 

[Anti-Moderator]

Somebody needs a BIG hug.

 

[Addendum]

You're accusing others of being "high and mighty?" That's a laugh. You're one of the most pretentious, "holier than thou" people I've ever seen on these boards.

And why do people tend to view race as biological construct, and not a social construct? Well, maybe it's because it's a real thing, besides skin tone, we have different skeletal structures, etc. Race is NOT a social construct, RACIAL INEQUALITY IS.

To deny racism and promote equality is a good thing. However, to say race is not a product of biology is nothing more than blind and willful ignorance, despite what sociologists say. Anyway, sociology is not as respected as it once was, maybe that's why it's now considered a dying field.

What are the major bological differences between a white male from England and a black male from Nigeria, besides skin color?

 

[deemar325]

What are the major bological differences between a white male from England and a black male from Nigeria, besides skin color?

On average 4 or 5 inches.

 

[Extromaniac]

Bah. All this thread has spawned is more racism and ignorant, half-baked comments more suited to the actual racists of the world. White people are not privileged, slavery has no bearing on how far a black man can get nowadays. Cracker is just as bad as n-gger, because both of them are rooted in racism.

Personally, double-standards are for idiots. If you're going to get pissed at Kramer for saying the "n"-word, then you might as well get pissed at every black comedian who has said 'cracker' or 'honkey'. There's no difference between them.

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

 

[chaseter]

On average 4 or 5 inches.

Bwahahahahahaha....best line ever.t:

 

[chaseter]

Bah. All this thread has spawned is more racism and ignorant, half-baked comments more suited to the actual racists of the world. White people are not privileged, slavery has no bearing on how far a black man can get nowadays. Cracker is just as bad as n-gger, because both of them are rooted in racism.

Personally, double-standards are for idiots. If you're going to get pissed at Kramer for saying the "n"-word, then you might as well get pissed at every black comedian who has said 'cracker' or 'honkey'. There's no difference between them.

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

Can't agree more. So many preachy hypocrites live double standards and it pisses me off.

 

[tzarinna]

He didn't just say the n-word,he said a lot more.

 

[chaseter]

He didn't just say the n-word,he said a lot more.

I know what he said. Take out the n word...and it would have been just Kramer goes on a rant and it would have been over in a day. But because he put that one word in there...it turned into racism. I have cursed out people before, but once you throw in a racist word...it takes it to a new level. Sad thing is...those hecklers started it and will go unpunished. I feel bad for Richards but he shouldn't have said those things.

 

[deemar325]

Bah. All this thread has spawned is more racism and ignorant, half-baked comments more suited to the actual racists of the world. White people are not privileged, slavery has no bearing on how far a black man can get nowadays. Cracker is just as bad as n-gger, because both of them are rooted in racism.

Personally, double-standards are for idiots. If you're going to get pissed at Kramer for saying the "n"-word, then you might as well get pissed at every black comedian who has said 'cracker' or 'honkey'. There's no difference between them.

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

Generally speaking your right, but the truth of the matter N-word has far more power than Cracker as a word.

Plus racism is as much about who has/had power over another race then just personal prejudice.

 

[The Man Of 16]

You wanna know something? I have had it with this idea that Black people have, that they have had it the worst. YOU HAVE NOT!

Look at the Aboriginals (thats indians or "native american" to the forgetful/ignorant ones) We stripped them of their land, we raped their women, we gave them Polio, we didnt let them hunt for food, and starved them of our food, then when they died, we piled them up and burned them, then we traded cheap dollar store brand toys for furs when we told them they were tools, and then gave them alcohol and they all became drunks. The only thing that we're doing to pay them back is let them live in reserves and not have to pay taxes.

And you know what the majority of us Canadians think? That they dont deserve to be pampered nowadays because these things happened a LONG time ago, and that giving them advantages now is wrong because it doesnt effect those people now, just their great-great grandchildren. But because we will forever be guilted into feeling sorry for them, we will never cease to let them live on the reserves, and spend millions of tax dollars picking up the slack for the natives.

 

[chaseter]

Generally speaking your right, but the truth of the matter N-word has far more power than Cracker as a word.

Plus racism is as much about who has/had power over another race then just personal prejudice.

I disagree to a point. It is still a demeaning word. Both words bring down that certain race. There are tons of descensitizing names out there. For one of them to be more bad is crazy...especially when the race using that word is fighting for equality.

 

[deemar325]

I know what he said. Take out the n word...and it would have been just Kramer goes on a rant and it would have been over in a day. But because he put that one word in there...it turned into racism. I have cursed out people before, but once you throw in a racist word...it takes it to a new level. Sad thing is...those hecklers started it and will go unpunished. I feel bad for Richards but he shouldn't have said those things.

Come on man, those remarks came from his heart he's harbored his hatred for awhile. The venom that came out of that man was tactile.

No one gets that angry and start spouting off slurs like that unless it was inside them already. If I'm pissed at my Dominican homey I'm not "F'k you [Racist slur here]" I'm gonna call him a prick,punk,ass,...etc...Not N-word!!!!

As far as the black guys heckling him, it happens everyday to comedians it wasn't like they were insulting his ethnicity just that his comedy sucks.

 

[blind_fury]

Bah. All this thread has spawned is more racism and ignorant, half-baked comments more suited to the actual racists of the world. White people are not privileged, slavery has no bearing on how far a black man can get nowadays. Cracker is just as bad as n-gger, because both of them are rooted in racism.

Personally, double-standards are for idiots. If you're going to get pissed at Kramer for saying the "n"-word, then you might as well get pissed at every black comedian who has said 'cracker' or 'honkey'. There's no difference between them.

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

It's not a double standard it's a matter of 400 years of tyranny, oppression, rape, enslavement, white supremacy, and unimaginable injustice. Saying the words cracker and n--ger are the just as bad is ignoring the historical context completely. When white people are humaliated, oppressed, and terrorized for 500 years THEN the words will be equal.

 

[Erzengel]

Michael Richards is a loser end of story.

I think it's mostly white people up in arms. The majority of black people I've been hearing couldn't care less what he said.

 

[Addendum]

I've never been demeaned when someone called me "cracker".

When I hear the term cracker, I think of these...

The band called Cracker

 

[deemar325]

I disagree to a point. It is still a demeaning word. Both words bring down that certain race. There are tons of descensitizing names out there. For one of them to be more bad is crazy...especially when the race using that word is fighting for equality.

We are so close to agreeing.

 

[The Man Of 16]

It's not a double standard it's a matter of 400 years of tyranny, oppression, rape, enslavement, white supremacy, and unimaginable injustice. Saying the words cracker and n--ger are the just as bad is ignoring the historical context completely. When white people are humaliated, oppressed, and terrorized for 500 years THEN the words will be equal.

So youre saying that all races have to undergo 500 years of opression simultaneously for us to truly get along?

 

[Tangled Web]

It's not like he just got pissed off. If he would have just been pissed he would have made fun of the hecklers, not insult an entire race of people.

I was thinking today, if I was in a comedy club and a fellow Hispanic heckled the comedian, I would hope the comedian would just banter with him not insult the hell out of my race.