Kryptonians = ancient astronauts?

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Yo Timstuff, maybe (if you agreed) we could change the thread title to "Kryptonian Mythology: Ideas" or something to get more people involved? Fun thread.

 

[Rodrigo90]

I think having Jor-El create Brainiac as a simple SuperComputer,then going rogue and causing destruction is too similar to Skynet.

You give him more of a villain edge to say he was once a living machine,deciding to erase Krypton, then being used by the Kryptonian's for his superior intellect. It makes it a quest for more power,and a long lust for revenge against Superman.

Mixed into that idea of that the Fortress is a Kryptonian Earth base, Brainiac being uploaded into The Fortress's Supercomputer upon Krypton's destruction. Jor-El knowing that all of Krypton's data has been uploaded into Brainiac,but not realising the inclusion of Dox's own history of being a rival Alien and used for the Brainiac project.

 

[Timstuff]

Yo Timstuff, maybe (if you agreed) we could change the thread title to "Kryptonian Mythology: Ideas" or something to get more people involved? Fun thread.

I'd be down with that. That seems to be the direction the thread is evolving in, anyway.

 

[Webhead2006]

\S/ that wouldnt be a bad way to go with brainiac.

 

[Last Son]

I like the idea of Brainiac wanting more power. That's why I like the idea of Brainiac seeing Krypton as the ultimate Knowledge and going after that by killing off every Kryptonian.

Again that is also why I enjoyed something Superman does on Earth unintentionally (attempting to reach out to other Kryptonians or whatever) would bring Brainiac here.

I also like the idea of maybe a sweet battle between Superman and brainiac type character, but it was actually just a drone sweeping earth for brainiac but when Superman destroys it that is what sets off the signal to bring Brainiac to earth (much like they did for the 4 part brainiac series they ran right before new krypton)

 

[Rodrigo90]

Something to that effect could work. Instead of Krypton being destroyed by the sun, Jor-El should have the readings that the beings from Colu are preparing an invasion,bent on power and destruction. This could work well for Jor-El,who could explain the contrast between Superman and Brainiac. Jor-El telling his son about invaders from another planet wanting power and causing destruction, that Superman should never follow their evil.

Zod could turn traitor and tell the leader Brainiac that Jor-El has sent his son to Earth and about the Fortress. That Brainiac then uploads himself into the Fortress,telling his companions to destroy the planet and telling Jor-El he will look after his son...

You could even have a storyline that implies that Colu kept the city of Kandor alive...

 

[batlovescatDC]

Perhaps they could make it where the robot (i.e. the robot that Superman has in The Death of Superman and Superman: Doomsday) was in the ship that Kal-El was brought to Earth in. With instructions from Jor-El, the robot went to build a piece of Krypton on Earth and source of information for Kal-El to see but he was not to reveal it until Kal-El reached a certain age. When Clark turns 18, the robot contacts him through the ship and the ship transports him to the fortress, which the robot has been building and installing things in the whole time the two have been on Earth. Clark has only discovered his powers at the age of 16 but now realizes what he must do. When he is transported to the fortress, a message is played by Jor-El and Lara.

Later in the film, the robot is remotely triggered by Brainiac through a connection that he still has with any technology from Krypton. He manipulates the robot and uses the fortress for himself to sneak into Earth's atmosphere without any detection from the government or military. Clark is the only one that knows something is wrong so he goes to the fortress and finds Brainiac there.


I really like some of the ideas I've seen on here as well. This is just one unlike any I've seen mentioned before. I've always loved the idea of Clark having a robot assistant at the Fortress a lot for some reason.

 

[Webhead2006]

some interesting thoughts there.

 

[afan]

Kryptonians as ancient astronauts is very problematic........If Krypton's tech granted interstellar travel, then the destruction of Krypton is no longer the end of the line for Kryptonians, as surely there would be numerous extra solar system survivors. Add to that the realization as stated in S:TM that a yellow sun grants Kryptonians amazing powers, and the pevelance of yellow suns, than we are talking a lot of super-powered surviving Kryptonians. It's just messy.

Now consider this.......
Kryptonian tech allows for space travel, more advanced than Earth's present capabilities, but limited to inter-planetray travel only. The tech, using solar winds as propulsion, is in it's infancy. The voyages taking a very long time.

Kryptonian astronomy has discovered a worm hole just outside of Krypton's system, but much too far for them to reach, at the present level of their space travel capability. It is not known where this worm hole would lead to.

Jor-el discovers the pending destruction of Krypton's system as it's sun is about to expire. He devises a plan to build ships that would ride the intense shock wave of the exploding sun, perhaps propelling them at speeds matching or exceeding light speed, allowing them to reach the worm hole, enter it and escape destruction, to who knows where.

The construction of these ships would require an extreme focus of resources necessitating a globally unified effort basically calling on all Kryptonians to work towards their completion, abandoning all other pursuits, it would in effect put a halt to Krypton's culture, economy and growth. If Jor-el's theories are incorrect, the damage done to Krypton's civilization would be far reaching. Under such restrictions it would make more sense for the council to dismiss his theories, there are after all other theories for Krypton's perculiar weather and or quakes. Of course the council orders Jor-el to abandon his theories and discontinue any experiments. He agrees, but in secret begins the construction of a ship for his family. His timetable tho is incorrect and he soon realizes there is only time to build a small ship, big enough only for Kal-el.

 

[Webhead2006]

well they could always have it they were space travelers then for what ever reasons they gave up on traveling the stars and the tech just wasnt readily around any more. Sure they could say there might be some former kryptonians from another time who are on another planet and changed through time and all that. So their might be some partial kryptonians around.

 

[afan]

well they could always have it they were space travelers then for what ever reasons they gave up on traveling the stars and the tech just wasnt readily around any more. Sure they could say there might be some former kryptonians from another time who are on another planet and changed through time and all that. So their might be some partial kryptonians around.

Much to complicated, and irrational. Can you ever concieve of our society abandoning air travel, ocean travel, electronic communication, or any now commonplace technology.

 

[Timstuff]

Kryptonians as ancient astronauts is very problematic........If Krypton's tech granted interstellar travel, then the destruction of Krypton is no longer the end of the line for Kryptonians, as surely there would be numerous extra solar system survivors. Add to that the realization as stated in S:TM that a yellow sun grants Kryptonians amazing powers, and the pevelance of yellow suns, than we are talking a lot of super-powered surviving Kryptonians. It's just messy.

What if Earth and Krypton were inhabited by the same common ancestor of space travellers though, and it was the millenia spent under the red sun of Krypton that caused the Kryptonians to adapt the way they did, much the way our yellow sun caused us to adapt? On Krypton, they could explain that the poor quality sunlight caused the Kryptonians' skin to become almost like living solar panels to compensate, and when they come to a younger star like ours, they essentially become supercharged-- hence the super powers. IMO that would be a plausible (even if pseudo-scientific) explanation for why Kryptonians and Terrans look identical even though Kryptonians process our sunlight in a different way.

Also, interestingly enough sunlight does enable us humans to produce more vitamin D. It's not too much of a stretch that a race of beings from a solar system with a limited light spectrum would be even more efficient at gaining positive effects from light (assuming that their sun still emits ultraviolet rays, meaning that they would still be able to handle the amount put out by our sun).

 

[Young Superman]

I don't really think you need to explain it. Personally, I prefer to keep it that Kryptonians and Earthlings never met or crossed paths at any point, and that, tragically, the first meeting of the two civilizations/races is when the last living member of Krypton, a helpless baby, is rocketed to Earth on a last-ditch attempt to save his life.

I agree with this.

 

[Nathan]

Besides, there are several races in space in the DC Universe, that look physically indentical to humans, with minor differences being skin/eye color or even just pointy ears. So Kryptonians just happen to not have those minor differences.

 

[FVD]

As for the FoS, I do hope they deviate from the designs from the Donnerverse/Smallville. I really like the layout from STAS/Apocalypse. If they follow from that or something along those lines then I'll be a happy man.

 

[afan]

What if Earth and Krypton were inhabited by the same common ancestor of space travellers though, and it was the millenia spent under the red sun of Krypton that caused the Kryptonians to adapt the way they did, much the way our yellow sun caused us to adapt? On Krypton, they could explain that the poor quality sunlight caused the Kryptonians' skin to become almost like living solar panels to compensate, and when they come to a younger star like ours, they essentially become supercharged-- hence the super powers. IMO that would be a plausible (even if pseudo-scientific) explanation for why Kryptonians and Terrans look identical even though Kryptonians process our sunlight in a different way.

Also, interestingly enough sunlight does enable us humans to produce more vitamin D. It's not too much of a stretch that a race of beings from a solar system with a limited light spectrum would be even more efficient at gaining positive effects from light (assuming that their sun still emits ultraviolet rays, meaning that they would still be able to handle the amount put out by our sun).

Fine explanation for the powers granted by a yellow sun, but how does this address Kryptonian's as "ancient astronauts"?

 

[The Guard]

Kryptonians should be ancient and future everything.

 

[Alientraveller]

Fine explanation for the powers granted by a yellow sun, but how does this address Kryptonian's as "ancient astronauts"?

It's more that he/she wants a Star Trek style common genetic ancestor to Humanity and Krypton.

I was wondering, would it be cool if they combined the time travel element of the original idea for Superman's origin? io9 once wrote an article about how originally Superman was literally the 'Man of Tomorrow', coming from Earth's future and was sent back in time to survive the apocalypse. Perhaps Kryptonians are our descendants on one of many colonies, and baby Kal-El's voyage from the doomed world sent him back through time and space to Earth.

http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/08/20/russell-keaton-supermans-fifth-beatle/

 

[Timstuff]

Fine explanation for the powers granted by a yellow sun, but how does this address Kryptonian's as "ancient astronauts"?

In this case, it's not the Kryptonians who would be the ancient astronauts, but rather the common ancestor that they share with humans. Each planet is a different colony that moved in different physiological and technological directions, but the fundamental physiology is still there-- we look the same, have the same internal organs, and both metabolize sunlight in some fashion, but for the Kryptonians the latter is done much more efficiently.

 

[afan]

In this case, it's not the Kryptonians who would be the ancient astronauts, but rather the common ancestor that they share with humans. Each planet is a different colony that moved in different physiological and technological directions, but the fundamental physiology is still there-- we look the same, have the same internal organs, and both metabolize sunlight in some fashion, but for the Kryptonians the latter is done much more efficiently.

I get you there, and I readily accept the concept.
Even without the common ancestor...If an Earth-like planet is a pre-requisite for the existance of intelligent life, and certainly in our solar system that is a proven fact, is the occurrence of similar appearance of said life across the galaxy so extraordinary?

For me it's solely the star travelling Kryptonian that's problematic.

 

[FVD]

Heck if the Kryptonians were indeed ancient astronauts, perhaps there oughta be some crazy little explanation as to why Krypton is an element on the Periodic Table.

 

[DorkyFresh]

Kryptonians as ancient astronauts is very problematic........If Krypton's tech granted interstellar travel, then the destruction of Krypton is no longer the end of the line for Kryptonians, as surely there would be numerous extra solar system survivors. Add to that the realization as stated in S:TM that a yellow sun grants Kryptonians amazing powers, and the pevelance of yellow suns, than we are talking a lot of super-powered surviving Kryptonians. It's just messy.

Now consider this.......
Kryptonian tech allows for space travel, more advanced than Earth's present capabilities, but limited to inter-planetray travel only. The tech, using solar winds as propulsion, is in it's infancy. The voyages taking a very long time.

Kryptonian astronomy has discovered a worm hole just outside of Krypton's system, but much too far for them to reach, at the present level of their space travel capability. It is not known where this worm hole would lead to.

Jor-el discovers the pending destruction of Krypton's system as it's sun is about to expire. He devises a plan to build ships that would ride the intense shock wave of the exploding sun, perhaps propelling them at speeds matching or exceeding light speed, allowing them to reach the worm hole, enter it and escape destruction, to who knows where.

The construction of these ships would require an extreme focus of resources necessitating a globally unified effort basically calling on all Kryptonians to work towards their completion, abandoning all other pursuits, it would in effect put a halt to Krypton's culture, economy and growth. If Jor-el's theories are incorrect, the damage done to Krypton's civilization would be far reaching. Under such restrictions it would make more sense for the council to dismiss his theories, there are after all other theories for Krypton's perculiar weather and or quakes. Of course the council orders Jor-el to abandon his theories and discontinue any experiments. He agrees, but in secret begins the construction of a ship for his family. His timetable tho is incorrect and he soon realizes there is only time to build a small ship, big enough only for Kal-el.

i actually really like this explanation.

 

[Paul-el]

If they do go with Brainiac, I hope we see the Vril Dox incarnation -- he could be so creepy/alien looking. Admittedly I don't know much about the different Brainiac versions. Which is the best graphic novel for Brainiac in a story? One where he really puts Supes to the test.