Le Chiffre dead or alive,what do you want ?

[dutchmarvel]

I expect it that the villian die again.

But what do you realy want.

Eon searhing for years to a new kind of Blofeld,i think Le Chiffre must return and i think it is possible with the litle unknown Mikkelsen,there have more time.

Mikkelsen,the guy who i want as a hechman for years playing now in a Bond movie as the villian,but i think Eon must get the change to yused Le Chiffre more then one time.

It don´t mean that Le Chiffre must return for Bond 22,for example he can also return for Bond 23 and 25 if Eon want that.

 

[seishin87]

While I would love a new returning villain, not unlike Blofeld, it can't, won't and shouldn't be Le Chiffre. He has to die, and he will.

 

[Everyman]

Le Chiffre has to die. The recurring, Blofeld-like villain could be that Mister WHite, or, if Mr White is just a middleman, Mr White's boss. You can have this badguy based on the novels Blofeld. Easily.

 

[seishin87]

Le Chiffre has to die. The recurring, Blofeld-like villain could be that Mister WHite, or, if Mr White is just a middleman, Mr White's boss. You can have this badguy based on the novels Blofeld. Easily.

I'm of the opinion that White is just a middleman. The real villain/mastermind probably won't pop up till Bond 22. I would love to see something like FRWL, where this new organization wants to get a personal revenge for the man resonsible for the deaths of Obanno and White.

 

[Everyman]

I'm of the opinion that White is just a middleman. The real villain/mastermind probably won't pop up till Bond 22. I would love to see something like FRWL, where this new organization wants to get a personal revenge for the man resonsible for the deaths of Obanno and White.

That's what I hope for too, word by word. I miss recurring threats for James Bond movies, and they could give this neo-crypto-Blofeld a worthy antagonism with 007 and a good death this time... I suggest somebody from Eastern Europe, to keep it traditional. Some former of Hungarian or Romanian secret police or something, now the head of an apolitical criminal organisation.

Oh, and to get back on topic, Le Chiffre should die in CR, most definitely...

 

[Aren]

Dead, please, dead...

 

[Clouseau]

kill 'im off...

that said, i have no problem with this idea that he works for a larger terrorist organization which Bond has to face in the next several films in a row...

it's just that even in the novel, Le Chiffre, even though he was the main villain of the story, he was just a little guy working for a bigger organization...

 

[FelixLeiter]

Dead. No question.

 

[OddBob]

Dead, like the good book says.

 

[the_joker]

A returning villain who Bond fails to kill the first time round, and later regrets not doing so, would be cool.

 

[batman7289]

le chiffre died
sorry to tell yall

 

[Iceburgeruk]

Keel him. lol.

To have an overarching villain for a series of bond movies you can`t have they are as well explained and shown as le chiffre is in casino royale. You have to have them in the shadows for a film or 2. Like blofeld was in the earlier bond films.

 

[batman7289]

blsh

 

[Cinemaman]

He was a great villian, but there is no sense to return him. He was shot, so he is dead now.

 

[Rothgo]

My theory, for what it is worth:
In the final scenes of the movie, a 'new' eye-patch wearing assassin working for Mr White leads the chase to recover the tournament winnings. Bond finishes him off with a nail gun shot to the eye in question, leaving the possibility that he could have survived. Noting that "Le Chiffre" translates as "the number", who do we know is a criminal mastermind, has one eye and is known as "Number one"? All he is missing is the white cat. It would seem that in taking down Mr White, Bond may well have promoted Le Chiffre within a sectret organisation (read SPECTRE). How long till he starts using the new psuedoname Blofeld? Edit: I only saw this last night, so schemes still circulating... Who is to say Mr White was in fact Le Chiffre's boss? If he collaborated in the apparent death of Le Chiffre (in order to get the CIA / MI6 off his back), maybe it was Le Chiffre pulling all the strings all along? And if so, well a white 'pet' is also a little reminicent of Blofeld...

 

[Everyman]

My theory, for what it is worth:
In the final scenes of the movie, a 'new' eye-patch wearing assassin working for Mr White leads the chase to recover the tournament winnings. Bond finishes him off with a nail gun shot to the eye in question, leaving the possibility that he could have survived. Noting that "Le Chiffre" translates as "the number", who do we know is a criminal mastermind, has one eye and is known as "Number one"? All he is missing is the white cat. It would seem that in taking down Mr White, Bond may well have promoted Le Chiffre within a sectret organisation (read SPECTRE). How long till he starts using the new psuedoname Blofeld? Edit: I only saw this last night, so schemes still circulating... Who is to say Mr White was in fact Le Chiffre's boss? If he collaborated in the apparent death of Le Chiffre (in order to get the CIA / MI6 off his back), maybe it was Le Chiffre pulling all the strings all along? And if so, well a white 'pet' is also a little reminicent of Blofeld...

1)Le Chiffre was shot at point blank in the head. He could NOT have survived.

2)Le Chiffre and Blofeld are different characters.

3)Criminals with peculiar eyes in James Bond are legion. There is Largo, Blofeld, Gettler, etc. It means something metaphorically (castration?), but they are not the same character, obviously.

4)The James Bond series is not a soap. A bullet is enough to kill someone for good.

 

[Rothgo]

1)Le Chiffre was shot at point blank in the head. He could NOT have survived.

2)Le Chiffre and Blofeld are different characters.

3)Criminals with peculiar eyes in James Bond are legion. There is Largo, Blofeld, Gettler, etc. It means something metaphorically (castration?), but they are not the same character, obviously.

4)The James Bond series is not a soap. A bullet is enough to kill someone for good.

1) Shot by Mr White in a controlled enviroment: so not necessarily a bullet at all.
2) Probably, but the possibility remains
3) True, and Blofeld's right eye was naff, Chiffre's / Gettler's left. But then, Blofeld wasn't consistant in that respect film to film anyway. So I agree, not proof by any means, but certainly enough to work with.
4) See (1).

 

[Everyman]

1) Shot by Mr White in a controlled enviroment: so not necessarily a bullet at all.
2) Probably, but the possibility remains
3) True, and Blofeld's right eye was naff, Chiffre's / Gettler's left. But then, Blofeld wasn't consistant in that respect film to film anyway. So I agree, not proof by any means, but certainly enough to work with.
4) See (1).

1)Makes no sense. Le Chiffre betrayed his organisation, so logically he was killed, not staged.
2)Except that it makes no sense whatsoever and it is groundless.
3)So basically, Blofeld's scared eye is not a specific characteristic of him, neither is it consistent of his appearance. And you base this to say that Le Chiffre and Blofeld are the same character?
4)See my previous 4. You are describing a soap, not a Bond.

 

[seishin87]

The fact remains that Le Chiffre was a small fry in the film and novel. The meaning behind his name "the number" reflects the fact that his is an accountant/banker i.e he was good with numbers and in the novel because he clamied he was just a number on a passport. He was killed by White. If you watch closely you can see the bullethole in his head as he hits the ground and his facial muscles around his eye relax as he dies. White killed Le Chiffre because not only did he betray their organization by using money that he was supposed to be protecting to play the stock market but had White not shown up Le Chiffre would have tortrued Bond to death thus losing any chance of obataining the winnings. Had Le Chiffre killed Bond and not got back the money he would have ran to MI6/CIA. Le Chiffre was arrogant enough to think he could win either way, that was his downfall. He was a liabillity to White's organization and had to be killed.

 

[Everyman]

The fact remains that Le Chiffre was a small fry in the film and novel. The meaning behind his name "the number" reflects the fact that his is an accountant/banker i.e he was good with numbers and in the novel because he clamied he was just a number on a passport. He was killed by White. If you watch closely you can see the bullethole in his head as he hits the ground and his facial muscles around his eye relax as he dies. White killed Le Chiffre because not only did he betray their organization by using money that he was supposed to be protecting to play the stock market but had White not shown up Le Chiffre would have tortrued Bond to death thus losing any chance of obataining the winnings. Had Le Chiffre killed Bond and not got back the money he would have ran to MI6/CIA. Le Chiffre was arrogant enough to think he could win either way, that was his downfall. He was a liabillity to White's organization and had to be killed.

This is simple commonsense, and this debate should be closed IMO.

 

[Kritish]

Dead, the last thing we need is Le Chiffre showing up in every bond film from now on.

 

[Riven]

Le Chiffre's death was an important plotpoint for this movie (the "big villain" is just a cog in a greater evil machine), you can't seriously expect them to retcon that?!

White is dead too...

They'll think up a new baddie, don't worry.

 

[Everyman]

Le Chiffre's death was an important plotpoint for this movie (the "big villain" is just a cog in a greater evil machine), you can't seriously expect them to retcon that?!

White is dead too...

They'll think up a new baddie, don't worry.

Maybe Bond captured White... That's my hypothesis anyway.

And I hope the new villain will be like the novels's Blofeld.

 

[Riven]

Maybe Bond captured White... That's my hypothesis anyway.

Could be... but he seemed still more into "revenge mode" than into "professional government agent mode"... This is the guy who caused Vesper's death. I think Bond just shot him.

Or maybe interrogated and then shot him.

But i could be wrong...

 

[batman7289]

hesa dead