Let's Prove to Marvel that Cyclops is COOL

[GAMBIT™]

I liked Cyclops, he was dull but a good and honest guy who was always there for everyone. But then they tried to make him more interesting with the whole mind affaire with Emma and stuff, which was totally out of character.

Madelyne Pryor if I spelt that right. His first wife. Want there for. Ran straight to Jean dispite having a newborn.

He is good but far, far, far from cool.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Um, firstly, you missed my point. Cyke can accidentally kill anyone (cept Juggs) easily.

Secondly, about YOUR point. I'll give you Jean/Phoenix - Scott doesn't stand a chance. The other two, no. Especially not Storm - she has more raw power, sure (although the question of whether she can summon this power faster than Cyke's visor can shoot off an optic blast is questionable). But she still has nothing to protect her from a direct optic blast - and neither does Gambit, from what I recall. In a battle between Gambit and Storm vs. Scott (not at the same time), it'll come down to intelligence, mind games, and strategy. Scott stands a pretty good chance of defeating both, IMO.

Storm has little chance against Cyclops. Not only can he fire his optic blasts faster than she can summon weather effects or lift herself into the air but her major attack, her lightning, actually makes Cyke stronger since he can absorb it to enhance his optic blasts. On Arkons world he proved that he can absorb and contain more energy than she can summon.

 

[Jplaya2023]

Um, firstly, you missed my point. Cyke can accidentally kill anyone (cept Juggs) easily.

Secondly, about YOUR point. I'll give you Jean/Phoenix - Scott doesn't stand a chance. The other two, no. Especially not Storm - she has more raw power, sure (although the question of whether she can summon this power faster than Cyke's visor can shoot off an optic blast is questionable). But she still has nothing to protect her from a direct optic blast - and neither does Gambit, from what I recall. In a battle between Gambit and Storm vs. Scott (not at the same time), it'll come down to intelligence, mind games, and strategy. Scott stands a pretty good chance of defeating both, IMO.

Cyclops cant kill collasus, professor x, wolverine, omega red, apocolyspe, bishop and cable to name a few.

Secondly scott would never hit storm because she can have a protective barrier of ice around her body since she control weather, or have a fire sheild that prevents the optic blast. Storm would just make the weather below freezing and freeze scott to death.

Gambit's card travel lightspeed and are powerful on impact, and since gambit has a fighting style cyclops loses easily

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Cyclops cant kill collasus, professor x, wolverine, omega red, apocolyspe, bishop and cable to name a few.

Secondly scott would never hit storm because she can have a protective barrier of ice around her body since she control weather, or have a fire sheild that prevents the optic blast. Storm would just make the weather below freezing and freeze scott to death.

Gambit's card travel lightspeed and are powerful on impact, and since gambit has a fighting style cyclops loses easily

Cyclops did kill Apocalypse in fact....right here.

He beat Storm and Rogue here

As for Omega Red, easily Cyclops takes him out. As shown by how easily he handles Sentinels

Gambit got beat by Wolverine and his cards don't travel any faster than any normal speed. Besides Gambit is yesterdays news, he is a Horseman of Apocalypse now.

Cable could beat Cyclops, but he wouldn't because Cyclops is his father.

 

[Jplaya2023]

Cyclops did kill Apocalypse in fact....right here.

He beat Storm and Rogue here

As for Omega Red, easily Cyclops takes him out. As shown by how easily he handles Sentinels

Gambit got beat by Wolverine and his cards don't travel any faster than any normal speed. Besides Gambit is yesterdays news, he is a Horseman of Apocalypse now.

Cable could beat Cyclops, but he wouldn't because Cyclops is his father.

how da fluck did apoc lose to cyclops terrible writing. Damn cyclops was beasting those other nigs, but the storm i envisioned would just use the weather to protect herself and kill him with lightning.

Wow cyclops is really cable's father i thought that was TAS canon so that means jean grey is cable's mother and tyler is scott's grandson

 

[ShadowBoxing]

how da fluck did apoc lose to cyclops terrible writing. Damn cyclops was beasting those other nigs, but the storm i envisioned would just use the weather to protect herself and kill him with lightning.

Wow cyclops is really cable's father i thought that was TAS canon so that means jean grey is cable's mother and tyler is scott's grandson

Cable is Cyclops and Maddy's son, not Cyclops and Jean's kid is Rachel

 

[D-scythe]

Secondly scott would never hit storm because she can have a protective barrier of ice around her body since she control weather, or have a fire sheild that prevents the optic blast. Storm would just make the weather below freezing and freeze scott to death.

Gambit's card travel lightspeed and are powerful on impact, and since gambit has a fighting style cyclops loses easily

And now it's officially confirmed that you don't know what you're talking about. Ororo wielding a shield of fire/ice to stop Cyke's blast is the most laughable part. Ah, just so typical of how much Storm is over-rated by fans these days.

Thanks, I needed someone to make a stupid comment to make my day.

 

[Jplaya2023]

And now it's officially confirmed that you don't know what you're talking about. Ororo wielding a shield of fire/ice to stop Cyke's blast is the most laughable part. Ah, just so typical of how much Storm is over-rated by fans these days.

Thanks, I needed someone to make a stupid comment to make my day.

How is it laughable. Storm is never written to her capabilities she's always underpowered in the comics. And why couldnt she weild a shield of fire and ice to stop cyclops thats certainly within her powers and limits, writers just want cyclops to be better because he's the "leader".

Also now that my brain is cookin cyclops should nevrt br able to hit storm anyway if she flies within the clouds and strikes him with lightning and freezes the shyt outta him or burns him to death with the weather. There is no way in hell cyclops can beat storm in a fairly written fight.

 

[D-scythe]

How is it laughable. Storm is never written to her capabilities she's always underpowered in the comics. And why couldnt she weild a shield of fire and ice to stop cyclops thats certainly within her powers and limits, writers just want cyclops to be better because he's the "leader".

ROFL!!!! Wow, someone, please tell me this guy isn't serious. You're actually telling me that Storm is always depowered in Marvel 616 canon? Or comics in general? Which *begs* the question, what the hell is comic Storm depowered in comparison too, if the comics cannot be used as the standard for the character?

HAHAHAHAHA! Man, you're a trip, you know that? A real trip. It's just so hard to hate you rabid Storm fans.

 

[Jplaya2023]

ROFL!!!! Wow, someone, please tell me this guy isn't serious. You're actually telling me that Storm is always depowered in Marvel 616 canon? Or comics in general? Which *begs* the question, what the hell is comic Storm depowered in comparison too, if the comics cannot be used as the standard for the character?

HAHAHAHAHA! Man, you're a trip, you know that? A real trip. It's just so hard to hate you rabid Storm fans.

Also now that my brain is cookin cyclops should never be able to hit storm anyway if she flies within the clouds and strikes him with lightning and freezes the shyt outta him or burns him to death with the weather. There is no way in hell cyclops can beat storm in a fairly written fight

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[U.S War Machine]

 

[ShadowBoxing]

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Being that the person who wrote that fight between Cyclops and Storm, Rogue, Colossus and Wolverine basically created those characters and wrote X-Men for over a decade, it is a fairly written fight. Storm cannot create anything to shield herself and she has to direct her attacks, meaning she has to know where Cyclops is and he must stand in the same spot to be hit. Cyclops is the X-Men's field leader and premiere battle tact (in the entire MU). He has spacial awareness, meaning he knows how to use angles, distances and trick shots better than anyone else. This makes him a highly proficient pool player actually. His brain registers what he sees geometrically so he does not have to think about where to aim in order to hit something. This means Storm reaction time is in fact slower than Cyclops'. In addition Cyclops trained Storm, Wolverine, Colossus, etc. in how to act as a team. He knows how to fight them.

 

[Tropico]

Please ignore J-Playa and don't turn this into another versus thread, it's the only thing he knows how to do and as you can see he can't even do that well since he doesn't know the characters. Thank you!up:

 

[HandOfFate]

Storm has little chance against Cyclops. Not only can he fire his optic blasts faster than she can summon weather effects or lift herself into the air but her major attack, her lightning, actually makes Cyke stronger since he can absorb it to enhance his optic blasts. On Arkons world he proved that he can absorb and contain more energy than she can summon.

Interesting, but that not exactly true. Storm was still increasing her lightning attack before the tower exploded. Also Marvel's offical word is that Cyke can not repeat this feat again.

Still a nice power feat for Cyke

 

[Harlekin]

When did Marvel say that?

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Cyclops is in certain respects Marvels parallel to Batman. He trains intensively in virtually every subject that might conceivably be of use. He is intensively trained in martial arts and stealth. He is familiar with advanced technology of virtually every description. He has piloted everything from small planes to starships. When the MU heroes gather in large groups he is routinely offered the leadership role. The major differences between Cyke and Bats are that Cyke is fundamentally a team player while Bats is primarily a solitary character, and that Cyke of course has his artillery built in while Bats has to use more clumsy and less powerful external weapons.

 

[D-scythe]

Cyclops is in certain respects Marvels parallel to Batman. He trains intensively in virtually every subject that might conceivably be of use. He is intensively trained in martial arts and stealth. He is familiar with advanced technology of virtually every description. He has piloted everything from small planes to starships. When the MU heroes gather in large groups he is routinely offered the leadership role. The major differences between Cyke and Bats are that Cyke is fundamentally a team player while Bats is primarily a solitary character, and that Cyke of course has his artillery built in while Bats has to use more clumsy and less powerful external weapons.

Don't take the Cyke-shipping too far Whereas Scott is highly knowledgeable and skilled in a variety of things that can be applied in combat, Batman is a master of all of his. IMO, Cyclops largely pursues these extra skills and talents in a way that would help him and his teammates perform better in a variety of combat situations (where he can hand off duties to who he sees fit given his knowledge of the objective and his teammates) whereas Batman has to be as skillful as humanly possible in these many things to do everything himself.

Rather an important difference that distinguishes the two different philosophies, i.e. going solo or with a team, that Bruce and Scott have adapted. Scott might train in a variety of skills and practices that may concievably be useful, but he trains in a way that can be applied to team tactics, rather than individual skill. In terms of most acquired human skills/performance, Scott is therefore completely outclassed by Batman, because he never intends to fight alone. He doesn't have to be the best (or as good as a human can get) at everything.

Obviously, there are some things, like piloting, strategic and tactical thinking, etc., that he may as well be the best at, as far a human abilities can go, and anything to do with optic blasts and geometry he is obviously superhuman. But for the most part, I see Scott's as a "jack of all trades, master of none" type of guy. He's not the best at everything he can do, but he's definitely an honorable mention for most.

 

[Jplaya2023]

Storm cannot create anything to shield herself and she has to direct her attacks, meaning she has to know where Cyclops is and he must stand in the same spot to be hit.

Doesnt the same apply for cyclops as well. I dont think its out of storm's range to be able to fly up to the clouds and make the weather so cold cyclops dies or make the weather so hot he dies of exhaustion correct?

Cyclops is the X-Men's field leader and premiere battle tact (in the entire MU). He has spacial awareness, meaning he knows how to use angles, distances and trick shots better than anyone else.

But he still has to "see" with his eyes where she is at he just cant "sense" where she's at so thats a stalemate, he may have the ability to angle his blast to hit in certain spots only after he "Sees" the person first.

This means Storm reaction time is in fact slower than Cyclops'. In addition Cyclops trained Storm, Wolverine, Colossus, etc. in how to act as a team. He knows how to fight them.

He trained them to act as a team but not how to "fight". And what makes you so sure that storm's reaction time is slower considering her lean body type and her special abilities.

 

[Harlekin]

Doesnt the same apply for cyclops as well. I dont think its out of storm's range to be able to fly up to the clouds and make the weather so cold cyclops dies or make the weather so hot he dies of exhaustion correct?

Well, that would A) take a bit and B) be totally uncharacteristic of Storm.

But he still has to "see" with his eyes where she is at he just cant "sense" where she's at so thats a stalemate, he may have the ability to angle his blast to hit in certain spots only after he "Sees" the person first.

Not really. He could just plain unleash, tempering his power that it doesn't kill. Then he doesn't have to see, just look around.

He trained them to act as a team but not how to "fight". And what makes you so sure that storm's reaction time is slower considering her lean body type and her special abilities.

He did actually train some of them (like Colossus). Thing is, he's already schooled these X-Men. The proof is right there on the page.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Don't take the Cyke-shipping too far Whereas Scott is highly knowledgeable and skilled in a variety of things that can be applied in combat, Batman is a master of all of his. IMO, Cyclops largely pursues these extra skills and talents in a way that would help him and his teammates perform better in a variety of combat situations (where he can hand off duties to who he sees fit given his knowledge of the objective and his teammates) whereas Batman has to be as skillful as humanly possible in these many things to do everything himself.

Rather an important difference that distinguishes the two different philosophies, i.e. going solo or with a team, that Bruce and Scott have adapted. Scott might train in a variety of skills and practices that may concievably be useful, but he trains in a way that can be applied to team tactics, rather than individual skill. In terms of most acquired human skills/performance, Scott is therefore completely outclassed by Batman, because he never intends to fight alone. He doesn't have to be the best (or as good as a human can get) at everything.

Obviously, there are some things, like piloting, strategic and tactical thinking, etc., that he may as well be the best at, as far a human abilities can go, and anything to do with optic blasts and geometry he is obviously superhuman. But for the most part, I see Scott's as a "jack of all trades, master of none" type of guy. He's not the best at everything he can do, but he's definitely an honorable mention for most.

Scott has to know the skills thoroughly in order to teach them to others and he has proven over and over again that he can use them in solo situations as the above pages show. There are indeed many fields of study that Bats is skilled in that Scott is not but these are fields such as criminal sciences which Scott has little use for. It was not my intent to claim that Scott was Batmans equal in these respects especially since I think that the extent of Batmans supposed training is impossible to the point of the ludicrous even by comic standards. I was merely pointing out the parallels not directly comparing the two.

 

[aidol]

cyclops is okay...but he cant do much when his eyes are forced to stay shut, i.e. when he loses his glasses...and he can't do much fighting hand to hand, he sucks horribly at hand to hand combat.

 

[Tropico]

cyclops is okay...but he cant do much when his eyes are forced to stay shut, i.e. when he loses his glasses...and he can't do much fighting hand to hand, he sucks horribly at hand to hand combat.

Yeah, he sucks horribly at hand to hand combat.

 

[KevanG]

Thats because he was blind. Give him back his glasses and Jubilee could take him

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Scott has to know the skills thoroughly in order to teach them to others and he has proven over and over again that he can use them in solo situations as the above pages show. There are indeed many fields of study that Bats is skilled in that Scott is not but these are fields such as criminal sciences which Scott has little use for. It was not my intent to claim that Scott was Batmans equal in these respects especially since I think that the extent of Batmans supposed training is impossible to the point of the ludicrous even by comic standards. I was merely pointing out the parallels not directly comparing the two.

Cyclops is the same in the respect that he knows how to use surroundings to his advantage and uses battle tactics to cover up for any weaknesses he may have. However that X-Men Unlimited Tropico posted is such a load of flying BS I cannot even begin to address it. Cyclops known fighting ability is that he is a black belt in Judo. He only weighs 175lbs (I have seen as high as 181 or 193....however he earns his nickname slim by being light) at 6'1" (Sometimes as high as 6'3"). Basically he is skinny. In fact we have about the same (current) stats. He has never been depicted as that strong either, however certainly quiet athletic. I, again, being a college athlete am probably very close to what he is. However fighting wise Batman beats Cyclops hands down completely. The fighting style of choice for Cyclops, specifically in the Bryne era, was a Judo and or Akido like style that focused on keeping attackers at bay rather than using kicks and punches. Also Cyclops gets beat a lot in hand to hand. Although given his lifestyle he is probably proficient enough considering he has not died yet. I'd say Scott is about on par with a police officer or typical military official who takes a moderate interest in it.

 

[Cypocalypse]

Cyclops is the same in the respect that he knows how to use surroundings to his advantage and uses battle tactics to cover up for any weaknesses he may have. However that X-Men Unlimited Tropico posted is such a load of flying BS I cannot even begin to address it. Cyclops known fighting ability is that he is a black belt in Judo. He only weighs 175lbs (I have seen as high as 181 or 193....however he earns his nickname slim by being light) at 6'1" (Sometimes as high as 6'3"). Basically he is skinny. In fact we have about the same (current) stats. He has never been depicted as that strong either, however certainly quiet athletic. I, again, being a college athlete am probably very close to what he is. However fighting wise Batman beats Cyclops hands down completely. The fighting style of choice for Cyclops, specifically in the Bryne era, was a Judo and or Akido like style that focused on keeping attackers at bay rather than using kicks and punches. Also Cyclops gets beat a lot in hand to hand. Although given his lifestyle he is probably proficient enough considering he has not died yet. I'd say Scott is about on par with a police officer or typical military official who takes a moderate interest in it.

Translation: When it comes to hand to hand combat per se Cyke basically beats all the other Marvel guys who hasn't been on the same level of traning as he got (or aren't as committed), but against the well experienced, well trained fighters, he doesn't have a chance.

I guess that sums it up.